Poland's place in changing world order?

Given a free vote here, that would never happen, not a chance in hell! A free vote would mean the end of Britain in the EU which is why no government will ever dare hold such a vote!

All of whom will have populations of non european majorities.

Hipotheticaly there is possibility to open umbrella in the ass ;-)
Ok, sorry it's not pretty but I couldn't help it... This dicussion got in far far away galaxy right now :-) Slavic confederation? I understand Crow that Pan-Slavism has big historical meaning in South Europe, but in Poland it was bankrupt concept from the begining. In XIX century Serbia it was simple equation Pan-Slavism = fight with Austro-Hungarian Empire = fight with Germans, but in XIX Poland, occupied partly by Russians it was useless ideology. It bankrupted second time, when USSR used it as a propaganda tool. So if you hope that by using it you will open some secret passage to polish heart you are misleaded. Pan-Slavism is not significant part of Polish background and using it as some kind of argument in regard to Poland is irrelevant.

Crow's best hope is to go and talk to some metalheads who share in their Slavic brotherhood. These people are more in touch with their roots than opportunistic politicians.

It is not. I remember the time back in the 1970s when everyone said it was a matter of time when Japan overtakes the US in economic prosperity and almost anything else. Now Japan is in constant crisis and never has been so innovative as the US.


What do you mean by the "mercy of fate and avarice of neighbours"? Another pact of Ribbentrop-Molotov? But Merkel is not like Hitler, while Putin (or his political alter ego Medvedev) is not like Stalin. Or do you think they are?


What do you mean by saying this? That the Russian bear is never going to fall into its winter sleep, and that it is only waiting to devour the innocent lamb "Ukraine", then yet another innocent lamb "Poland', whereas Bundeskanzlerin Merkel along with the whole EU will readily agree to this, happy to keep the hungry, but now satisfied animal on the Oder/Neisse border? But if you think so, I would agree, the EU on the military front is a misunderstanding; the only powerful grizzli to stop the Russian bear is the US!

not only that. Because of resistance to Turks, too. Polish figters that come in our aid, came exactly because of Pan-Slavic ideas


i actualy don`t count on Pan-Slavism. Its new era. I count on Pan-Sarmatism

Pan-Slavism is needed in order to make some deals with Russia, to provide Russian simpaty for Sarmatin cause. Sooner or later, Russia would understand that it is bater to have Slavic (Sarmatian) Confederation on its western borders, instead of anglo-germanic ruling EU. That`s the chance for Poland to grab the power and that`s the chance for Serbs to fulfill their destine. Why would Poland insist to serve to Britain, France and to Germany? Realy why? Why would Poland insist to receive refuges from their former colonies? Why would Poland fall when they fall? Why would Poland accept to expirience lack of resources when Slavic world has plenty of all kind of natural resources? Why Poland wouldn`t become power bigger then they are, if Poland just got chance? Etc, etc why


but, its much bater chance that you understand what i talking about when you recognize what is EU. On the Serbian example we learned that EU prefer islamic, not the Slavic interests. We learned that EU membership does not depend on our will but on EU strategic goals, that EU easely can become destructive power and then anex your country.


i agree but, only as long as EU guaranties high standard of living and minimum of respect for Slavic ethnic interests.

i would always prefer Warsaw as capitol town then Brussel, BDW. I am Serbian and for Brussel i don`t give a sh** but, for Warsaw i am ready to bleed

As long as they don't surpass folklore and minor things, those Slavic interests would not be in danger. However if Slavic interests consists of making deals with Russia, it should be a matter of the EU, not of Serbia alone, but I guess everybody understands that. All Serbia's sensitivities will be addressed, just like they were with other memberstates.


Well, Brussels is the "capital" of the EU, so that's where you have to go when you're in trouble or when you have questions. And besides, the presidency of the EU changes every 6 months, so Warsaw will be on set times the de facto capital of the EU. Just like Belgrade will be once Serbia has joined.

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M-G (tiens)

Well..a crisis originating in anglo-saxon mismanagement and Japan is the most technological advanced country on earth, surpassing even the US!

yes, i`m sure. I hope that EU likes oral sex

Crow

Yeah, we're gonna make Serbia our b*tch :)))

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M-G (headache is gone - nearly time to go home)

Oppps...Though I am relatively young, but from the history I know that some bold characters had claimed in the past that the lucky star of mighty British Empire will shine forever....Alas! The time is not long past when its fortune declined and eventually turned its entire structure into miserable piece of sh....

British and Austrians still think they live in an empire.(the Austrians are waiting for the Kaiser).

That's nonsense, southern! Many Brits are not proud of the imperialistic pursuits of their forefathers. Don't confuse the gluttonous actions of rabid politicians with those that lived under them.

Poles have the same feelings in some measure but that doesn't reflect in the current government.

This doesn't seem like much of a problem at all. Poland was outmatched even worse in the 1920s, but with the Ukrainians held off Ivan nonetheless. I'll concede, Ivan was caught up fighting White Ivan, but the Red Army had plenty of men and supplies to spare.