Poland's Future Includes Fewer Poles, More Foreigners

you seem to be giving the average fukwits on the street a lot more credit than they are due

most people are incredibly ignorant

annoying

and really rather pathetic

one of the joys of living in a country and not speaking the lingo is that you dont have to acknowledge the crap that people are talking around you

which at times is truly a blessing

I am not arguing against that. But just as it has not been completely the fault of western powers it has not been solely due to mismanagement by, eg. African powers.

You and Sobottka have really highlighted the problem with how so many approach this subject. Monochromatism- it's either all their fault and their problem or all our fault and our problem which in turn leads to neither side of the coin willing to acknowledge the other's claims.

Let's delve into who from the west has helped (if i can say that) to keep the status quote low in countries with high emmigration and hold them not only accountable but force them to help raise the status quote in those same countries. If the problem is over there then it has to be fixed over there but if we don't try to see that happen from where we sit then it will just continue to get worse imo.

How much foreign Aid goes to these countries? How many jobs from the West have been lost because call centres have been transferred to developing countries because the costs are lower - how about the export market in India for textiiles / clothing, jewellery ect. These countries should be thriving, can you tell me why they are not? I would honestly like to see these countries do well, it would take the strain off Europe regarding immigration and growing tension in Europe because of the influx.

Those countries are actually quite happy about people leaving them to search for better life in the west.
I know the gov of Mexico is glad about their misfits looking dreamily into the wonderland USA and risking everything to get there.

Imagine a boiling pot...boiling from poverty, injustice, corruption, violence, hopelessness....imagine this pot without an outlet. Without an outlet which gives those poor, desperate people the hope to make for a better life abroad...these people would have to change things at home actually...the pot would explode, things would have to change!

But these third world boiling pots have an outlet...the rich west...and this way steam can be let out and nothing has to change.

Those corrupt govs like it that way!

good question, and then what happens to it? How is it spent? Does all the promised money actually find its' way there? and should that money be handed over by tax payers? It's like the taxpayer foots the bill but who reaps the rewards?

We probably agree more than disagree on this subject but I maintain that unless westerners ensure their leaders and interests aren't excasperating the situation then there'll be plenty of bleeding hearts who's short sighted response will be to just "open our borders."

I agree with you but all i'm sayin is that our governments aren't exactly squeeky clean when it comes to a lot of things. So let's stop the aid but let's also support moving towards fair trade. I mean c'mon, do our governments actually let african farmers sell their produce at any price they want? Not to my knowledge.

Where do you stand on cancelling these countries debts?

There is no more to say about it: The taxpayers are paying, the rich Satanists get it by returning from those countries. A part of that money is used for corrupting a small criminal upper class in those countries.

The same formula following German SS is going to dominate Poland, other slavian countries, Romania and so on.

O-KKK :)

But a black can be proud of his heritage without you making fun of him?
Would you call him racist???

Depends on the country really.

Some nations have had IMF force loans on them as a means of keeping the country in perpetual debt. Also depends on if countries with huge loans should be able to sell whatever they produce at a price they establish and not as established for them. But then you'd see a lot of farmers (or corporate farms) going bankrupt in the west. I wish i had a straight one size fits all answer for you question but unfortunately our leaders and leaders from the past had a goal and that goal was keeping the poor in poverty.

John Pilger wrote a very controversial book a few years back which investigates a lot of the global financial machinations and how they have been used to keep some people disadvantaged at the benefit of a few. He knows his sh*t and either forces the reader to acknowledge some ugly facts or pretend they don't exist. Either way I still don't support massive globalized immigration as the super remedy to the globabl economic imbalances.

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I didnt call anyone a racist... :)

Blacks... if they attack whites meaninglessly...I would also use my shield :)

Sorry, death before dishonor. Only proud white women for me. Im not attrakted to black or brown. You sound like some kind of Media machine, telling people how to think. The rest is your opinion, which has seem to mean very little anyone since you got here spouting off bull$hit.


I beg Nothing, ever. And I Dont really consider myself a Pole, if I was to claim just one of my nationalitys it would German, under the SS regime! :p

The 100% polish people in my family dont seem to mind it. And for me, Polish people in general are too tolerant, too easy going laid back, and lazy when its time to crush enemies, for me to be a pole.

Personaly, I have a bigger problem with you and the nonsence you post, then I do with equators opinions and the fact shes black.


Yes I do, and I dont care much for them and their policies over the last 500 years, British monarchy is nothing to be boast about. I have no regrets saying this even being alittle English. Most will argue this point, but im actually a "live and let live" kind of guy, im just tired of my culture and people of my culture being run down by darker skin people of the world. If 3rd world immagrants from Mexico and Africa would just fix their own problems, the world would be a much better place. But I guess its just so much easier to jump ship and live off someone elses land, in the meantime, we end up working harder, getting less, and have to deal with the greif of others unwanted problems and crime in the end.

Thats ofcourse your choise.. a private matter. But to put it as 'death before dishonor' ... sounds preety strained. About proud white women... I think you will not have problem to find a white woman who is also proud about her whiteness! And considers others as inferior would do too?

Capitalism knows only one goal: Maximizing profit. Best way to reach that goal is by foolishing people as long as they don't get it. To sell s*hit as gold brings much more profit than to sell gold itself that is a well known fact since that day that Capitalism was born.

Betraying, slavery and robbery that are the strategies of organized German SS, of Skull & Bones, of organized Jews and so on.

That will be the problem as long as Capitalism rules.

So a true solution can only be found asides the paths of Capitalism. We Anarchists have found it: Striving for richdom and power is only acting of compensation if natural drives ar unfullfilled. Cause compensation gets never to be fulfilling, the striving for richdom and power knows no end, which means it will kill us all if we cannot finish it.

The solution is generally easy: Fulfilling of natural drives. But informations about that are pushed down by all means - cause drive-fulfilling means strong social unity and strong social unity averts domination of man by man.

There is no other solution. You all can discuss searching for other solutions until You become green or blue, but will find none.

by the name of German Anarchists

Winfried Sobottka

A quarter is stolen by European bureaucrats,the rest by local caciques. European countries only make thing worse, those people in third world countries should learn how to resolve problems on their own. All responsibility should be on their arms. They need a lot of time to reach standards of the western world. They can do it only by their own effort.


This is called 'progress'. Advanced countries should be concentrated on the higher technologies. This is a scandal that the EU subsided so long European farmers. Those euro-lefties work always against progress. Food production, this is ideal job for undeveloped countries. While we in Europe would stop wasting our time 'collecting potatoes' and buy cheap imported food. While third world countries would have an opportunity to reduce poverty supplying European markets.

are you completely dismissing the extent to which foreign powers have interfered in much of what is the 3rd world today?

Tariffs, subsidies, political interference, colonialism, propping up dictators all of that just dismissed outright?


Yet people in undeveloped nations aren't "allowed" to sell their produce without heavy tariffs internationally and western farmers reap huge subsidies that (correct me as I may be wrong) tend to go over what is "allowed" anywhere else.

You really think Vietnam and Cambodia would be the mess they are now had the way for anarchy not been paved by foreign intervention? You really think the people of Indonesia would be in the obscene debt they are now had it not been for the support for their dictator (then suddenly condemning him and subsequent divvying up of its' resources)?

The list gets real real long and real real ugly so you may want to reorient how you're approaching the whole idea.

You're presenting one polarity that simply doesn't reflect the complexity of the situation. What society has shown me is that typically your arguement or style therein is usually countered with an equally absurd argument but at the opposite end of the political spectrum from some other person unable or unwilling to look for more than a soundbite answer.

This in effect is the divide and conquer approach i'd encourage if my goal was to ensure that nothing ever gets done and those accountable for the problem (on all sides) don't get too much attention:

First thing is to take sufficient advantage ofpoor people in poor nations
raise awarness on the plight of these people
get the public to feel a collective guilt
stoke the fires with some pc campaigning
then increase immigration of the poor or simply do nothing to keep it in check
wait for inevitable human nature to take effect
stoke the fires if need be and wait for the backlash

maybe then it'll be time to immediately drop all tariffs and wait for the european farmer to go belly up and so on- whatever it takes to keep people down as a whole and bickering amongst themselves and distracted from the complexities that actually surround the root cause.

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Not all are born with capabilities of being a brain surgens.


I dont agree with you on that, neither do I believe exporting jobs to these countries is the answer - call centres were a source of income for many people, these people were then made jobless - thus this creates a problem in European countries with unemployment.

As for farming - Im all for home grown British produce - cheap imports for me is not the way forward. Britain is taking the lead from the Dutch who already feed it's own population with "home grown" produce, grown in huge all year round green houses - the way the world population is growning - I think Europeans countries should rely less on cheap imports and more on home grown.

I think the good US-Army had fought for the freedom of those people?

if supporting the khmer rouge is fighting for freedom...

I think about the future, rather than about the past. Past is useful only to avoid the same mistakes in the future.


Maybe they would do better, maybe not. I oppose any attempts of Polish state interventions aboard. Unless some state would be a direct threat to us (Nothing like this is likely to happen in near future). I don't think that such interventions have much of sense. Usually there is always some agenda which make profits out of this.

I think that your reply is hardly related to my post.


Unskilled workers are needed as well. Even if they would do the things that they don't really understand.


I'm not aware of serious problems with unemployment in the UK. Why do you complain, in advance? Only really socialist states have such problems, they can blame only themselves.


You are advocating as Ayn Rand would say 'the return to the primitive'.

i think you would be suprised a just how well vietnam is doing

especially when compared to poland

although i imagine that upsets many of you

which is hardly suprising

yes i havent been there but from what i read they have one of the highest rates of foreign investment in souteast asia and ironically most of it is from the usa


as well the vietnamese here in poland seem to do well economically and not make any problems

I have an Uncle who is a Communist. Not to think that I am one, I allways vote for the Christian Democratical Union and sometimes I go to church. But anyway my Uncle is not dumb, he knows much about many things. He told me that Vietnam had to fight hardly and went it's own way, keeping any influence of western countries away.

So it cannot be so good there as if German and US concerns would have given their help to Vietnam as they do it in Poland. Poles can be really happy because of the German help, and Angela Merkel is their Angle.

Foreign companies just do business and care about their own interest. This is good, because both sides gain profits if they cooperate. This is mistake to use the word 'help' in this case.


The same again... While Merkel is not even good leader for Germany.

or when analysing what the current state of affairs is


i think you need to work on your reading comprehension and analytical skills


you have me on that one, but i wish them the best in building a strong nation

Are You sure that he has You on that one?

Vietnam hasn't come up cause the US and so on had their fingers in, but cause Vietnam went their own way after the US-Army had gone! Where would Vietnam stand if the USA would have let their fingers out all times?

I think he could very well be right in that I might be surprised but regarding:


I agree with premise of your question. Hope that doesn't come off as contradictory.

Exactly so we will always need jobs for people who are what you consider "unskilled"


We export of more and more jobs abroad each year (call centres and selling off British companies / names) and with a heavy reliance on the industries such as the financial markets then yes there will be fews jobs and with an ever explanding population then unemployment is an unfortunate side effect.


There is nothing primitive about a country growing it's own produce - at present people pay more for locally sourced produce and less for imported (and often tastelss rubbish) - why not expand on the home grown, cut down on the transport costs and the affects this has on the environment - it's a win win situation - apart from those that are exporting their produce to the UK.

Regarding Ayn Rand, I've never read any of her works, so I couldn't comment.

I have a question?

Why are there so many Poles in the UK, and why do so many Brits live in Poland?

This is not a joke.. I would appreciate a intellegent answer.
This is something that I have often wondered about.

i am here to be here with you