Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored?

A hypothetical:

If you're a science teacher in the SU in the 1950s would you be indifferent to teaching the theory of Lysenkoism?

Yes, but women in Poland were wearing fur long before Cossacks.
In fact, women in Poland were wearing fur long before the country called
Russia appeared.

Hypothetically speaking, I'm not into hypotheticals.

Torq, I doubt that. It was a symbol of Russia and wasn't denounced. It was used for flashing wealth among the well-to-do wannabe aristocrats (glorified peasants).

Seanus,

Would you teach a theory knowing it's wrong to ensure your own well being?

It depends if there was imminent danger.

Do you even know what ortalion was? <shudder>
And by the way - Cossacks would not be too happy if they knew you lumped them together with the Russian Empire they were in conflict with for several centuries ;-p

And seriously - all those women (and men, too) who have worn fur throughout the ages: they were Russian symbolism-carriers, right? I thought expensive fur like mink or seal were status symbols for the rich the world over, and cheap, nasty furs like rabbit or even squirrel were a desperate attempt made by the poor to look "classy" and stay reasonably warm.

Well, the more you know...

Do you? Do you think I just plucked it from the sky or do you think I researched it? I know who the Cossacks were, I was talking about the hats which are associated with Russia. I didn't say if it was an accurate association. Some Brits link Germany with sausages and Russia with vodka. That's a disservice to Poland.

And what of those that didn't have fur then?

No doubt,at least Poland counts in East Europe

Is there still such thing? East Europe? The whole Europe should revise its thinking if the want to be called European Union or is the EU just a joke?

I know some who argue that it is...

GDP is higher than ours I'm pretty sure.

Economics 101: GDP stats can be skewed by so many different factors, and thus mean little, if anything

A very good alternative to fur coats in the depths of winter, I wholeheartedly agree...


They wore sheepskin coats, padded winter jackets which didn't really offer a lot of comfort or warmth, or regular wool coats - stylish, but not not very warm either, being meant more for the autumn/spring seasons.

I spent most of my childhood and teenage years either feeling cold, or freezing, or being bundled up in 100 layers and unable to move in the winter. ;-(

This only changed with the influx of new, lightweight and warm materials in the early nineties. Have never owned a fur coat, BTW. Only a 30-year-old sheepskin monstrosity dyed green for some reason ;-p

I thought they wore those ortalion coats with padded foam or artificial warmer. I was misinformed then. Anyway, we had duffel coats in Scotland. Very unsightly but they kept me warm as a kid.

Anyway, I think we are miles off topic. Silly question, Poland counts but it has only been in the EU for just over 5 years so it hasn't made a telling impact. Every country counts as they sometimes need help implementing EU Directives which have direct effect. Also, they must take part in scoping meetings as part of EU Environmental Law etc etc. The principle of subsidiarity, formerly Art 5 of the Treaty, requires cooperation between the relevant players so Poland has to count. The EU cannot afford to have stray dogs ;)

from all what i sow till now, Poland is ignored and humiliated

There are different operational levels and is just depends what level you occupy. Give me an EU privelege that Germany has that Poland doesn't and then you will see.

one word - Kosovo

Germany, France and Britain created situation and Polish soldiers on terain follow instructions of higher army stuff that is under control of Germany, France and Britain. Here. Polish army stuff exist to satisfy necesities of those three powers.

So Poland wasn't ignored and humiliated then, but included. Still, a bad cause to be involved in.

If Poland count??? :)


nytimes.com/2009/07/15/world/europe/15poland.html

(Before him it was the German Pöttering)

This moment has come. Jerzy Buzek was elected the head of European Parliament.



The European Parliament has elected former Polish Prime Minister Jerzy Buzek as the chamber's president.
The vote on the 69-year-old Polish conservative was the first job of the newly-elected parliament in Strasbourg.
Mr Buzek is the first politician from the former communist bloc to chair the parliament. He received 555 votes in a first ballot.
The elections last month produced an assembly of 736 MEPs with the centre-right forming the biggest bloc.
Mr Buzek headed a coalition government in Poland in 1997-2001. He joined the European Parliament in 2004, the year of Poland's EU accession.
"Human rights will be a priority," Mr Buzek told MEPs, recalling the key role of the Solidarity trade union movement in democratising Poland in the 1980s.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8148729.stm

I was first!

It means Poland is ignored and humiliated by Germans, even in her own forum!!! :):):):):):):):):)

YAY!

Jerzy Buzek - a protestant who speaks perfect German.

They couldn't have picked a more representative Pole for this position!

;)

Seriously, it's good news. It shows that old EU countries are treating Poland
with respect and that we can look at the prospects of future co-operation
and tighter integration with more optimism.

*but still they could have picked some decent Catholic ;)*


Brilliant remark. I wish I had made it :(

Hmmm....can we claim him??? *ducks* ;)

No, it's to early. Wait about 500 years and try then ;)

i would say humiliated.... to spread Islam and serve to German interests in the region is real humiliation for Poland

First, Jerzy Buzek was elected European Parliament president and now...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/2008736,12,item.html

...Michał Kamiński was elected to be the chief of European Conservatives
and Reformists (ECR).

I think this is more a geographic concept than a political one...

why don't Poles just start having kids like ignorant blacks and hispanics and see what happens in Europe just like it is in America?