Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored?

Oh please...if it had been in polish hands why didn't you do it earlier??? Much earlier?
Without the perestroika in Russia the Soviet Empire would still be existent.


Maybe you better apply for membership in the USofA as 52 country!
We would be all better off...

Problem with EU is that that prosperity is not spread evenly but costs are paid equally, if it will no change - your prediction may became true!

my solution - to work on the new constitution, openly ....not behind closed door!


Hope it was so rational as you put it!
Anyway we could not afford it - too expensive !

Everybody could read it...but actually I know of nobody (also not those who are against it) who ever did!
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I don't understand how Germany can talk about anny common line when they create Nord Stream.

Anny way. Irak was mistake... for much different reasons. Poland believed in american proves when it came to WMD ... and they were false (from the begining).

What? You want to be cozy with Russia and we want good business with them.
What's your problem??? :)

(At least the Russians didn't ask Germans to join them in Chechnia or Georgia for some game of paintball)

new and shorter much shorter)))))

I said I would only post about appreciation. But it seems I need to post both sides.

1. Example of disregard (apparent)


https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/news/french-snub-war-effort-35529/

I wouldn`t really view it as a national issue. Rather private animosities between leaders of two countries: Sarkozy is pissed off at Kaczyński because the latter didn`t sign the Lisbon Treaty while France was heading the EUnion last year. And it was Kaczyński who had negotiated the treaty together with Sarkozy and promised to sign it, but failed.

If I were Sarkozy, I also wouldn`t invite Kaczyński, a liar and conman! :):):):)

2. Example of disregard (real)

Video clip produced by the European Commission on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the fall of Communism, does not show any pictures of the legendary Polish 'Solidarity' freedom movement, which cracked the Soviet dictatorship in Eastern Europe.

Instead, it focuses on the fall of Berlin wall, and briefly reviews events in other countries. Poland appears in the clip only for several seconds. We can see a piece of original TV footage, featuring Wojciech Jaruzelski proclaiming the martial law in 1981. The rest is footage from the re-enactment of historical events, staged in 1990s at the earliest, as the only banner captured on the tape is one with the logo of "Gazeta Polska" newspaper, established in 1993.

More:
polskieradio.pl/thenews/news/artykul108326_freedom_without_solidarity.html
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8057347.stm

However, after a brawl following the release, with the involvement of Polish politicians and media, it was slightly corrected according to Polish expectations.
According to the Chair of the Polish Committee for European Integration, Mikolaj Dowgielewicz, this is like showing France's history with no mention of the French Revolution".

3. Appreciation:

EC to make changes to 1989 film
2009-05-18, 08:00
The European Commissioned has informed that they will be making changes to a short film that fails to record Poland's historic role in ending communism in 1989.

Following an official complaint from Poland an EC spokesman said that the film makers never had the intention to neglect Poland's historic role in bringing communism to its knees.

poland.pl/news/article,EC_to_make_changes_to_1989_film,id,377928.htm

Europe is weak and other power which uses its members to prove its weakness is Russia. There is no doubt why this part of europe looks on USA when it comes to security...

Germany alone is just regional power.

No, it was the US under Bush.
He showed how easy it was to crack the EU and bribe some members to do as THEY want, wasn't it...
Now that Obama actually laid the missile shield on ice but there is no doubt that Poland would have let the US did build that thing on their soil too...

Any organization is only so strong as it's weakest link Lukasz, and that is not Germany!


And?

I have a dilemma. How to consider this act? Is it appreciation or disregard?

Spaniards call Kaczynski evil
22.05.2009
Spanish socialists claim that Poland's President Lech Kaczynski is one of the most evil politicians in the world and Poles are over-zealous Catholics.
Running up to the European Parliament elections, the Socialists' Party of Catalonia (PSC) has released a poster showing top right-wing politicians from Europe and the US . It depicts former president of France Jacques Chirac, former president of the US George Bush, former PM of Spain Jose Maria Aznar, PM of Italy Silvio Berlusconi and president of Poland Lech Kaczynski.

freerepublic.com/focus/news/2256538/posts

Well...you got talked about instead of ignored...:)

Appreciation

During Berlin Wall Collapse Celebration in November a happening involving 1000 domino dice will take place. The first two dice will present Polish symbols: Solidarity, worker resembling Walęsa and the Pope.

Oh, I forgot about Poland and Ukraine chosen as organizers of Euro 2012.

LOL

I'm not a great admirer of Kaczynski, but comments like this allow me
to feel some sympathy for the man :)


He he - yes we ARE...

...and there's absolutely feckall those lefty twats can do about it :D

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Yes he is ......and Polish government should sold tickets if anyone want to see him .....

Remove my name from the quote, Iron - I didn't say that! :)

EDIT:
Thank you :)

Tak, teraz widzę. :):):)

Disregard


A few Western countries cooperate with Russia to build a gas pipe despite Poland`s and a few others` objections.

First off all Poland wasn't bribed. It was rather help like ... "our frends need help !"

Secndly Poland is one of the most pro-EU countries so it is not bad will.

Last point is that Nord Stream isn't project which brings trust and understanding in region.

I just spotted that you quoted part of my post at the beginning. It is definitely not inferiority complex on my side. I don't identify myself with this state, I truly hate it. Although I try to control my emotions commenting political affairs I don't deny that by mocking something hated I feel a bit of satisfaction. (natural human instinct!)

Why do you treat the two as contradictory? Western Europe does not want Poland as an equal for multiple reasons, cheap labor, weak economy that would allow political dominance.

We're supposed to be a cow that Western Europe would milk for labor force and economic opportunities but our political presence is already significantly above our economic capacity.

We have a far more disciplined workforce than any of the Western states thats held back by stagnant politics and beaurocracy, both holdouts are by their nature temporary.

Oh my God he said something logical instead of puting himself down

btw Poland this year will be 6th the larges economy in Europe...

I would say Poland is too significant to be insignificant and too insignificant to be significant.

Does that make any sense to you lot? :)

I must disappoint you, I am afraid. I am for the pipe and for Poland joining it!! :):):):)

Am I putting myself down???? :):):):)

The Polish economy has been ranked as 7th largest in the European Union:

polishmarket.com.pl/documen/:19987,Poland+is+EUs+7th+largest+economy.html

We have 6th largest population and 4th largest territory in the EU.

If we divide EU into 4 leagues - we're still comfortably in the first league
as regards economy, population and territory so I don't think our political
presence is above our improtance in the EU.

But you do know that at the time of the invasion on Iraq Poland was not a member of EU right?

We still need to improve our assets counted per head. :):):):)

I was so wrong I was so wrong :)))))))

Yes. It reminds me of what Bismarck said: Russia is never so strong or so weak as it seems. :):):):)

It's only a question of time, my friend, and will happen eventually
as we are hard-working, resourceful and smart people.

Oh, I forgot to add - we're also very modest :)

It is so called 'Walesism' :))

Yes, I believe it too. Poles are much better and further in building an efficient capitalist economy than East Germans.