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Poland's Contribution to the E.U.

JamesLondon 1 | 26  
21 Jun 2007 /  #31
Mr.teashoci, my dear fellow, did some Polish lass reject your amorous advances? You certainly seem to be all bent out of shape.

Firstly, having read some of your posts, I'm reasonably certain that you're not British; your English skills, or rather lack of it, give you away.

Secondly, please be advised that there are several highly qualified Engineers, Doctors and other professional Poles in the UK and Ireland. In fact I've hired a couple of Polish professionals and am extremely pleased with their hard work and efficiency.

So, you may want to clean your toilet yourself; try a toothbrush...;-)
21 Jun 2007 /  #32
other than over qualified toilet cleaners

he he he he not much mate !!!!
21 Jun 2007 /  #33
aren't you the one who cannot find work in Poland??? he, he

did some Polish lass reject your amorous advances?

most likely
21 Jun 2007 /  #34
me and one 1 million others by the way I found already seems that lot of then are cleaning toilets or like you live out side . if you love here so much why are you not here ??? oh talk talk talk i see
21 Jun 2007 /  #35
like you live out side

not everybody lives outside of Poland because of the luck of job
Drunkenshad 2 | 16  
21 Jun 2007 /  #36
It's funny how the majority of people that are complaining about no work and no money tend to come off as complete idiots. Seems to me that the talentless bums of Poland make more noise than anyone about how bad it is instead of doing something to change it or help themselves (like working hard).
21 Jun 2007 /  #37
this is a perfect example how the topic could go totally off
dannyboy 18 | 248  
21 Jun 2007 /  #38
Polish exports:

Coal - major contributor
Educated Workforce
Some of the best bodybuilders and strongmen in the world, pudzianowski, dymek
Top athlethes e.g soccer players, snow sports and equestrian events in particular.
Some of the most beautiful women
Polish beer - zywiec, lech, warka, okiciem (mocne preferably ;-)

High quality natural food, free from preservatives and chemicals unlike a lot of the food available in the UK & Ireland, over processed, high GI, sugar laden, salt laden gunk.

Academics - this field is just opening up but the standard of education is very high in Poland (due to communisim and lack of jobs historically). Poland has the second oldest university in Europe, Jagellonian in Krakow with the Czech one being the oldest if i recall correctly.

One of the hardest languages in the world ;-)

High quality clothes and fashion. In my experience, there is more variety in a shop in a small Polish town than in an entire shopping centre in Ireland.

Politics - Poles have been instrumental in progress of Eastern Europe and solidarity against Russian influence on both the baltic countries and the EU as a whole.

Poland is regarded as one of the top tourist destinations in the world, competing with places like Rome and Madrid
ogorek - | 165  
21 Jun 2007 /  #39
Poland is causing a stir at the EU summit recently - about the voting rules - but I think in the long term Poland is trying to create a fair and even EU - where all members have equal say regardless of their population. Of course Poland is also protecting it's own interests at the same time. Poland, except for the Czechs, is standing alone. If it fails - the larger countries will rule the EU.

Poland is not afraid to stand up and fight.
It has 1000 years of practice.
Meg 1 | 38  
21 Jun 2007 /  #40
Of course I'm viewing this as an American, but I think it's awesome that Poland is getting this discussion going at the EU summit. France and Germany always pout and flounce around when they don't get their way, 100%, right away, on any EU issues. Look at Giscard - supposed to be one of the great men of Europe, and instead of contributing to the discussion as a constitutional authority, he's just stomping around complaining that everyone wants to trash his beautiful darling constitution that he worked sooooo hard on. Ooooo, poor little Valery! Did Madison and Hamilton complain like that when the American constitutional convention started arguing and carving up the nicely written documents they'd provided? -Well, yes, they did, some, but they also got right into the arguments and hammered things out. I just don't understand how some countries think you can have something called a "union" but then just push basic decisions concerning governance of said union onto the other members and expect them to accept without taking their ideas about it. I think the EU needs a little more of what we Americans call "sh*t-disturbers"; the EU bigs want to pretend that everything is happy-happy sweet-sweet but it isn't, so why pretend? No *real* parliament has to act that way; they are free to get arguments out in the open and *resolve* them.

Frankly, I'm thinking that Poland (along with the Czechs) does not want, at the moment, exactly what they're asking for, but that perhaps their true goal is to get the big countries to the table to actually recognize the "little" countries as actual partners in the union, who have as much right to contribute to the writing of the new "constitution" or "treaty" or whatever as the "big" countries do, and perhaps force something more like a constitutional convention, rather than the rubber-stamp chin-wag that France and Germany seem to expect. THEN voting systems can be brought forward - whether majority, square-root, whatever. Just a suspicion but you can make an argument for it.
21 Jun 2007 /  #41
Steel an industry at all?

Well here in Canada, There was a water park which was made of steel from Poland
clunkshift 2 | 82  
22 Jun 2007 /  #42
70% of Polish Steel is made by Mittal Steel of Katowice. Mr Mittal, a British tycoon of Indian origin has been buying up many steel mills all over Europe and is one of the world's biggest producers. He is cashing in on the car manufacturing boom in Poland/Czech Rep/Slovakia. Most UK Fiats are built in Poland (only the MPV's from elsewhere).

There is a shift in car manufacture in the EU; as Spanish & Portuguese costs have risen, so Eastern Europe has taken over small car production - even the Chinese will be producing cars there soon.

It may not look like it just now, but Silesia (Slaskie?) is improving rapidly in all economic measures.
The Polish Film industry is having a bit of a revival too; you can expect a big increase in Polish and Polish/international productions.
Friends in Polish HR say that it is not easy to find workers with good English, so I guess that when the "toilet cleaners" return home, if their English has improved their job prospects will have improved too - except for the doctors and nurses currently demonstrating night and day in Warsaw.
horunPoland - | 109  
22 Jun 2007 /  #43
but Silesia (Slaskie?) is improving rapidly in all economic measures

Silesia=Śląsk or Ślonsk (in silesian language) and its true that silesia is going in last 4-5 better and better after 15 years of really bad sitauation
22 Jun 2007 /  #44
Polish Steel

The company I work for purchased a large robotic cell - about 100m long. All of the steel bases (each one 3m x 5m minimum) was fabricated in PL, shipped to Canada and then integrated to the cell....
magda09 1 | 54  
22 Jun 2007 /  #45
not everybody lives outside of Poland because of the luck of job

PeterCpt 2 | 37  
23 Jun 2007 /  #46
Lets talk about the positive impact of Poland being in the EU.
Like addition to Culture, Cuisine, Custom, Industry, Science, Literature, Art, Etc.

Poland has always been in Europe, and Poland should have been in the EEC/EU from the first moment, except were were occupied by Soviet Russia (after the brutal German occupation). Saying so I don't think Poland is introducing anything new in the cutural sector, it didn't provide before it was in the EU (Chopin, Copernicus, Penderecki, Gorecki, Marie-Curie etc).

One thing Poland does provide is a buffer between Europe and Russia. It has 38 milion people who are pro-Western, have a history of democracy and are themselves a stable society/country. This is of great benefit if not only for NATO but also for the US as Poland is a great military ally for the US. As for the EU, EU is fine and all, but I think Poland should not compromise on a great relationship with the States to gain favour with the French and Germans. :)

big" countries do, and perhaps force something more like a constitutional convention, rather than the rubber-stamp chin-wag that France and Germany seem to expect

France and especially Germany want to dominate the EU. Personally I don't think the Germans should even have a greater percentage of votes than Poland. In fact maybe they should pay a few trillion dollars of reparations to Poland for destroying it between 1939-45 and then letting the Soviets have their way with us. Of course this won't happen, but if the world was really fair Germany should pay for WW2 or at least as colloquially said on some internet forums STFU :) when it comes to issues dealing with Poland. I agree 100% with the Kaczynskis. Germany destroyed Poland and now want to dominate it. I especially think that Poland should keep good relations with the Yanks and the UK,

if anything BETTER and closer ties than with Germany. Despite this I have numerous German friends and they're all wonderful people, so please bear in mind I'm speaking only in terms of governments here.
Meg 1 | 38  
23 Jun 2007 /  #47
Peter, this is just my impression as an outsider following the news, but it seems to me that the Merkel govt acts in better faith than the Schroeder govt did - I can totally believe that Gerhard and his boys wanted to dominate everyone on the continent, but Merkel & co seem to be really trying to work & negotiate while, *of course*, getting the best deal possible for Germany (which any sensible govt should). This is also my opinion on the K's - they are making a lot of noise and stirring up stuff, not in bad faith but because they want to bring up some things that they believe are important to Poland and they want to get the best deal possible for Poland - BUT they are still willing to work & negotiate. The SLD, perhaps also the PO, would not be acting that way if they were in power - for some that would be a relief, but I don't think that would be doing Poland any favors.

Of course there are other perennial issues but I am just considering the current fracas. Japan and China have a certain am't of bilateral relations despite the Manchuria/Rape of Nanking business that continues to this day (just check out the Japanese and Chinese news of the last week).
most - | 27  
24 Jun 2007 /  #48
Being honest PeterCpt, have you even in your parochial existance noticed some roads and some airports being built ? noticed some shiny new computers in your town hall ? noticed some nice new pavements ?

Have you noticed they started building them in 2004 ?

Who do you think is paying for it ?
Patrycja19 62 | 2,686  
24 Jun 2007 /  #49
Poland is not afraid to stand up and fight.
It has 1000 years of practice.

nor should it be.. enoughs enough!!
27 Jun 2007 /  #50
We will f*** It up from inside

thats entirely possible.
ogorek - | 165  
13 Jul 2007 /  #51
France and especially Germany want to dominate the EU.

Apparently German was to be the preferred language for European communications but the European Union commissioners have announced - that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replased with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when troublesome "ph" will be replased by "f'. This will make words like "fotograf' 20 persent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double leters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"'s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by "v'. During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "0" kan be dropd from words kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls of difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer…und Ze drem vil finali kum tru!
Puzzler 9 | 1,088  
13 Jul 2007 /  #52
re: thats entirely possible.

- Actually, it seems entirely impossible.

We're not sufficiently equipped sexually as a nation to accomplish the task.

Besides, it seems Greg only joked (there's a smiley at the end of his sentence, which you skipped in your quote).

Take it easy, man.

re: It's funny how the majority of people that are complaining about no work and no money tend to come off as complete idiots.

- Have you derived this wisdom from your own intimate experience?

re: the talentless bums of Poland

- Sez who?
Daisy 3 | 1,223  
13 Jul 2007 /  #53

You nicked that from my post on the cheer me up thread..

ogorek - | 165  
13 Jul 2007 /  #54
...promise I didn't. It's been on my PC for a while.

If you still feel aggrieved then you can put me over your knee
and give me a good spanking
Daisy 3 | 1,223  
13 Jul 2007 /  #55
promise I didn't. It's been on my PC for a while.

Great minds think alike ;)

you can put me over your knee
and give me a good spanking

I'll decide the punishment..
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
10 Sep 2007 /  #56
In my opinion we should more cooperate with other EU countries, have serious talks with Germans to solve those all historical problems, and all EU countries should hold one line in relationships with USA and Russians etc...

We as Poland should just work as the part of EU and strengthen our position in cooperation not in confrontation with other EU countries. According to western press, old EU realized we were right when we have made veto in negotiations with Russia. When old EU (mostly Germans) will support us in cases like embargo made by Russians or energetic safety. We should cooperate with them in other cases. Especially when EU has changed their leaders: Merkel is much better than manager of Gasprom Schroeder, Brown is much better than Blair (he has seen in Putin eyes real democrat) and definitely Sarkozy (who has made some steps to cooperate with Poland inside UE to weak German position in EU) than Chirac (he told us to be quiet).

That’s normal to check the new man in group, so EU countries just checked how taff we are, and now we should just cooperate.

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