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Poland in big development - what are the negative results?


Wlazski  
15 May 2006 /  #1
Poland is now in a big development.

But what about the negatives result? The fast food, drugs, lots of suicides, for an example kids who believe in the media which says that anyone most look like an model, the non-religious attitudes, I could go on... All those things came whit the western influence.

I don't say that we most go back to the communism, which sucked, but only that Poland is in a big development, and we most bee careful for what we are developing to.

Just a though.
Guest  
15 May 2006 /  #2
I think that all of those role models, drugs and crime existed under communism as well (not mentioning the time before the war and earlier (I don`t know if you realize that but Mickiewicz was a drug addict). It`s only that in those times all of that had much weaker influance.

I can only speak of myself - I was 12 years old in 1989 (but I remember a lot from those times), and beside the fact that the quality and availability of various producst has increased one, two, three years later I haven`t suffered from any kind of "cultural shock".

There was criminality, drugs and role models in the media in 1988 and 1989 as well as it is the case right now. Is the criminality higher right now ? Well probably yes. Ofcourse it is higher than it was the case during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but it is everywhere that way.

I wouldn`t say that we`re "in a big development". Well perhaps I`m looking from the wrong perspective, cos I as far as I can remember, during my whole life there were such hanges around me and perhaps that`s why I don`t see anything special about the courrent situation...
Gue2  
17 May 2006 /  #3
Fast food is not that bad after all (people live fast and should eat fast too ;). As far as drugs/suicides are concerned - everything was before 1989 too. But it was hidden from the society, you couldn't find information about drug addicts or suicides there. There's no way to stop the development - the government and church have big role there. I think whichever road the European Union will go, Poland will follow (which is not always good since the EU is in the hands of Germans)...
Guest  
17 May 2006 /  #4
Poland is infected, Nukes are the cure. :)
OP Wlazski  
18 May 2006 /  #5
What do you wanna' nuke.. ?

I think whichever road the European Union will go, Poland will follow (which is not always good since the EU is in the hands of Germans)...

But isn't the new govermanet against the EU in the first place ? Anyway, we have a big infuence in the EU.. I don't know how much the germans are ruling..
Guest  
18 May 2006 /  #6
The new governemt is not against the EU:

kprm.gov.pl/_i/fotoserwis/060512-1.jpg

kprm.gov.pl/_i/fotoserwis/060513-2.jpg

It`s the Eurolefties as who make black PR against us cose they can not stand that in one of the EU member states there is a real right-wing government.

And when it comes to Germany: Germany and France are becoming less and less significant in the EU with each day and they know it.
polishmancan 8 | 21  
3 Jul 2006 /  #7
Can anyone provide me a list of simple Polish traits that people are accustomed with this culture/stereotypes

1. i.e Irish known to be "drunks" etc.
2. Are Polish known for drinking? Dancing? Racism (as I understand it) etc. those kind of things. Add to the list or correct the myths.............

If you say Polish what can a person "expect" you to be like?
Guest  
3 Jul 2006 /  #8
Polish man - great results when working individually; average/poor results when working as a team.
lef 11 | 478  
3 Jul 2006 /  #9
Poland is unfortuanately locked into the capitalist way of life which will ONLY benefit the business person, under communism the people in commmunist party were well off., now people who have a business will be doing well , all at the expense of the working class person... the EU countries will bleed poland dry. bring in mcdonalds, coca cola, etc and bring in the Mastercard
Guest  
3 Jul 2006 /  #10
I don't say that we most go back to the communism, which sucked, but only that Poland is in a big development, and we most bee careful for what we are developing to.

Good point. Look at what the Czech Republic is (has) degenerating into: drugs, organized crime (a la the Russian mob), and pornography (hell they're trying to lower the age of consent to 14). Poland worked so hard for its solidarity I just hope they don't turn it over to the EU (which does not have the Polish people's best interests in mind).
BRONET  
23 Jul 2006 /  #11
yeah, I want to move to Czech rep.

Polish(myth) traits: con man, burglar, thief, drunk, drug adict(invented there own cheap home made version of one drug, LOL) .

but also these traits can be positive ones: Hospitability, Loyalty, Friendliness, Honor, etc etc

all those bad things out of 'Western Influence' were already present in Poland way back..... so the points raised in this thread are invalid. Its more like the West got the problemos from the East (vodka-russia , heroin- asia , cocaine- south american indians , prostitution -thats been around everywhere, theft- same... everywhere , cannibalism- russia ;-] chikatilooooooo )
guest-iwona  
28 Jul 2006 /  #12
Poland is unfortuanately locked into the capitalist way of life which will ONLY benefit the business person, under communism the people in commmunist party were well off., now people who have a business will be doing well , all at the expense of the working class person... the EU countries will bleed poland dry. bring in mcdonalds, coca cola, etc and bring in the Mastercard

Yes, but it depends on polish people how resistent they will be for bad changes and how easy to take in good changes.
We will see in 5-10 years.
Shelley  
28 Jul 2006 /  #13
Fast food is not that bad after all

okay if you say so, you trying looking at all the fat british people who live off convenience food and feed their kids a packet of crisps before they go off to school -.....and no longer cook traditional english food (no i dont mean fish and chips either, that was invented for lazy catholics that couldnt be bothered doing fish on a friday!) We're now the fattest nation in europe, not something to be proud of, churches used to be full on sundays - now people go shopping because everywhere is open the generation that is growing up now expect everything - without being prepared to do anything for it - I'm only 36 but can see such a difference in the way things are (feel such an old fart saying that but it's true)

all at the expense of the working class person

what a load of rubbish, I come from a working class background, myself and my two brother have good careers and I dont see why polish people from similar backgrounds shouldn't go the same way....after all you have a good education system
guest-iwona  
29 Jul 2006 /  #14
what a load of rubbish, I come from a working class background, myself and my two brother have good careers and I dont see why polish people from similar backgrounds shouldn't go the same way....after all you have a good education system

That is true. I dont see much point in comparing old times and what is going in Poland now. I think that before we were closed country, people had to ask for passport to go abroad. They had to work hard for little salary for benefits of communists- or socialists ( however to call them) Now we are free- if someone doesn't want to work for his capitalist employee just go abroad even to England to find better job, or get better education to find better job, or open your own business......so many choices.
Brydon  
30 Jul 2006 /  #15
I see lots of drunk polish over here, but i don't think the polish are scum. And as for the tv it's totally biased anyway,then again iam a tetotal reformed alcoholic.
guest-iwona  
30 Jul 2006 /  #16
there is big drinking culture in England but there are also polish here who work hard all week and got dead drunk during weekend.
Everyone makes his own choices. Have 1-2 pints and good time or 8-9 pints and worse time ( especially next day).

I wouldn't say I extremely like England but there are much more opportunities for people here- and at least less nepotyzm than in Poland at finding good job.
truebrit 3 | 196  
30 Jul 2006 /  #17
I wouldn't say I extremely like England but there are much more opportunities for people here- and at least less nepotyzm than in Poland at finding good job.

To enjoy England you need to experience the good parts - Cambridge in summer,Hitchin free festival,Brighton,Cornwall,Devon,best parts of London etc.
rafik 18 | 589  
30 Jul 2006 /  #18
Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #23
I wouldn't say I extremely like England but there are much more opportunities for people here- and at least less nepotyzm than in Poland at finding good job.

To enjoy England you need to experience the good parts - Cambridge in summer,Hitchin free festival,Brighton,Cornwall,Devon,best parts of London etc.

truebrit the problem is that we are a nation of moaners,we keep moaning even if we shouldn't. we have a saying in poland which says it all:

"najlepiej jest tam gdzie nas nie ma" which roughly translates to : it is always better somwhere else(anyone can translate it more accurately?). if we are in poland we moan about poland if we are in england we moan about england if we....ect.

nowhere is perfect but i find england a very nice country compared lets say to germany
Shelley  
1 Aug 2006 /  #19
the problem is that we are a nation of moaners,we keep moaning even if we shouldn't.

I think the Polish and English will do quite well together then....the english are quite good at it too.

I think Truebrit forgot to mention the Lakes and Manchester which are actually the best bits!
truebrit 3 | 196  
2 Aug 2006 /  #20
truebrit the problem is that we are a nation of moaners,we keep moaning even if we shouldn't. we have a saying in poland which says it all:
"najlepiej jest tam gdzie nas nie ma" which roughly translates to : it is always better somwhere else

This is why the Polish are so similar to the British.
guest-iwona  
2 Aug 2006 /  #21
This is why the Polish are so similar to the British.

that is true. Our moaning is similar.

To enjoy England you need to experience the good parts - Cambridge in summer,Hitchin free festival,Brighton,Cornwall,Devon,best parts of London etc.

I didn't see all of these places- I have been to Cambridge, Lake District, Filey and York in Yorkshire.... really like them. I didn't see much in London. ( plan some trip with my friend) I was to Brighton but I didn't like much there. I know that I moan but because I moved from pretty town like Krakow to Peterborough which is ..ok.....but no much charm at all. I have never been to Scotland I have feeling taht I would like there.

think Truebrit forgot to mention the Lakes and Manchester which are actually the best bits!

I will put Manchester on my list to visit. It is quite big city probbaly what I miss in quiet Peterborough.
truebrit 3 | 196  
2 Aug 2006 /  #22
I know that I moan but because I moved from pretty town like Krakow to Peterborough which is ..ok

Peterborough is a large town without character.I can tell you best parts of London to see in one day(avoid when hot).Polish people all seem to live in the worst towns-I guess because they are cheaper for renting.
Shelley  
3 Aug 2006 /  #23
Polish people all seem to live in the worst towns-I guess because they are cheaper for renting.

How rude, Manchester has a large Polish community! okay some may live in some of the less desirable areas but they still live in a decent city

Peterborough.

terrible accent - very farmerish!

I will put Manchester on my list to visit

Lovely for shopping and lunch - and the nightlife if fantastic - not as good as Krakow though - but I dont think anywhere on this planet is as good as there!
truebrit 3 | 196  
3 Aug 2006 /  #24
I know that I moan but because I moved from pretty town like Krakow to Peterborough which is ..ok

Actually,there are many beautiful towns in the UK like Chester,parts of Bath etc-but not so many in the South-East (but many pleasant historic villages/market towns etc)
guest-iwona  
3 Aug 2006 /  #25
Peterborough is a large town without character.I can tell you best parts of London to see in one day(avoid when hot).Polish people all seem to live in the worst towns-I guess because they are cheaper for renting.

We don't rent we bought house here- in outskirts in quite nice new development area- but city centre is awful.
I wouldn't say that Peterborough is is so cheap. There are quite a few jobs here and close to London ( many people commute).
But the reason is that husband moved here ( before getting to know me) about 15 years ago. I nag him all the time why didn;t you move to nicer place?

I think what is missing here is university that is why.....I am a little snobish not about money but education maybe because I am from Krakow university town?

Actually,there are many beautiful towns in the UK like Chester,parts of Bath etc-but not so many in the South-East (but many pleasant historic villages/market towns etc)

I know like Stamford, Lincoln is quite nice.

Lovely for shopping and lunch - and the nightlife if fantastic - not as good as Krakow though - but I dont think anywhere on this planet is as good as there!

yes...Krakow has charm it is difficult to describe it but has. Night life i great and all culture events. When I was working in main market I quite liked to walk across it first thing in the morning ...just with sun rise.
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
3 Aug 2006 /  #26
Krakow-That has to be an amazing sunrise.

I love the sunrises on the Baltic coast too. I just had 2 beautiful weeks of them :)
guest-iwona  
3 Aug 2006 /  #27
Polish people all seem to live in the worst towns-I guess because they are cheaper for renting.

I don't know. What about London. I think that they live in the places when is work. If they come temporary they look for cheap places to rent . If they plan to stay for longer they move to better areas.
truebrit 3 | 196  
4 Aug 2006 /  #28
I will put Manchester on my list to visit. It is quite big city probbaly what I miss in quiet Peterborough.

Please look at the Lonely Planet Guide to Britain or Rough Guide to Britain for ideas (from bookshops/library).
Shelley  
4 Aug 2006 /  #29
What about London.

I personally think London is a horrible place - dirty, over crowded, people are generally unfriendly and rude complete oposite to Northerners.
guest-iwona  
4 Aug 2006 /  #30
I thought the same but didn't want sound rude to say it. I seem more friendly towards north.
London i overcrowded, dirty and overpriced for me.

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