Abkhazia and South Ossetia are independent states now! Poland reaction?

i'm totaly OK with the red collapse. way better then the menace they are now.

And then?

How do you think a "red collapse" will look like?
What will that mean for Europe?

Tell me...

Russia isn't close to collaps but it is time to calculate harder.

I have bought new car of course hybride and of couse car is not german. remember single penny to single penny ;)

And that is of interest to whom???
Germany will survive your pennies...

It is in interest of people who love peace nature ecology and freedom.

If you like nature and peace, save natural resources.

german cars are not so good as it was in the past ...

Well...Abkhazians and South Ossetians will be pleased/saddened to know!

I hope that somebody will send there experts to check everything, I hope that Georgians haven't done something wrong there. Maybe somebody will check situation in Georgian towns. Lets hope situation will be normal.

if you mean rubble, then it's all normal.

My congrats to all Abkhasians and Ossetians! They finally got it! Long live to them!

they'll be under the red thumb soon enough.

I am worried that now Russian miniority in Estonia or other Baltic states will be in danger. Not to mention Ukraine.

A slap in the face to Bush who regarded them as part of Georgia. Bush talks about democracy and makes a mockery of it in his own country and abroad. The majority of people there wanted independence and it has now been conferred on them.

I don't see a Russian presence as being detrimental. After all, how long are American troops gonna occupy Iraqi space for?

All this hypocritical noise about Georgia's territorial integrity being respected really sucks. Why is independence good for Kosovo but not for SO and Abkhazia? Why not put this to a refrendum and let the two regions decide for themselves? So much for democracy,or may be it's only democracy when it suits the US administration and it's sycophants?

There was a referendum 2006 in SO....98 percent for independence!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetian_independence_referendum,_2006

In last elections in Cheuchenia Putin got 105% of votes ... later results have been changed in to 95% of votes.

Thanks for that info BB.

By the way, people, attempts somehow to isolate and punish Russia for its military actions in Georgia will lead to return results. The economic power of Russia will increase, its role will increase in world politics. Russia on the right way...

Let us never forget this referendum was held after 15 years of Russian occupation, during Russian occupation and the so-called neutral observers was so neutral as for example leader of Ukrainian delegation, radical leftist, supporter of former Soviet Union, Nataliya Vitrenko

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataliya_Vitrenko

In other words: it was b**lshit.

Welll...you mean their independence is forced upon poor Abkhazians and even poorer South Ossetians against their will???

:)

Haha BB's a humanitarian now...But I agree, if these provinces declared their own independance, and then ruled themselves autonomously over a number of years, it's criminal to try to wreck it all and destroy the stability the people their have been striving to achieve. Anyways, they've been independent in fact, Gerogia failed to prevent that fact from becoming a reality, so they've lost, game's over, S.Ossetia and Abkhazia are independent.

After 15 years of "russian help", even pigs would vote for independence in SO

Wonder if you'd say the same about Kosovo,you know,NATO bombs the heck out of Serbia,keeps it's forces there and after sometime the Kosovan declare independence and it's promptly recognised by the ''west?"

I'm just watching poor, opressed Abkhazians and SO's dancing and partying in the streets...my are they sad to become independent! :)

You do know that Russia would not care less about them if it wasn't for the pipeline?

that doesn't matter at all, if their business interests wed them to S.Ossetia's political interests, so be it, they are allies, and russia is doing no wrong in helping its allies.

I can do better - wonder if you say the same about Chechnyas? Fighting for independece many years, yet still somehow deny it them, wonder why... Russia is sooo generous in giving independence but somehow only to the countries which don't lie inside her borders...


And I'm just watching the thousands of happy and joyous Georgians which were forcefully expelled from SO after 1991 are were never allowed to be back.

We were allies with Soviets also, I don't believe everthing I hear. Russia is not doing this out of the goodness of her heart. By the way how many of the people were killed when Russia went in?

OMG don't you see that in some discussions this person (BB) is refering to slavic nations in way hitler did it. Later he tries to prove that independent Poland was mistake and of course Russian bombarding Georgian towns near Georgian borders (for half year) are peace keepers. Later they signed agreement with France to end this war but they are still there. Everything is ok for BB, even German paganism what caused ...

you can talk to him like to wall.

Sure I see, it's because he has his high hopes on the nord now and would love to own some property in Warsaw. Brat are you really in Germany and not Russia?

Listen, why are we all worrying about this??? were we conserned before the war broke out, were we heck!!!!!. They were poor then and they are poor now, the Russians and the Georgians got into this mess, they can dam well sort it out without grabbing our arms for hand outs to sort out their mess!!