Thank to Polish people for current relations with Ukraine

slo 1 | 51

26 Nov 2007 / #1

What's going on with this World? Tensions on borders, reds rising, taliban winning,.. Not exactly what I expected from 21st century. Inbetween all this relations Poland-Ukraine is just looking good. I met a lot of Polish ppl in my life and would say that big majority were nice people, easy to understand not just because the languages are close, but mutually close. So, thank you Polish and let keep this way.

There is not so many mutual friends in Europe, Europeans are nice, but ignorant, playing too much of undercover games. We'll handle that, but having friend as Poland those days is very important to us.

hello 22 | 891

26 Nov 2007 / #2

Yes, in spite of some very rough times during the WW2, Poles seem to get along with Ukrainians nowadays.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6138

26 Nov 2007 / #3

Poles seem to get along with Ukrainians nowadays.

Not bad but relations are still far from perfect.

Lukasz 49 | 1746

26 Nov 2007 / #4

but are very good ... as to history WWII is onr thing and there were some other events in our history ...

all in all whe have the same problems with some neighbours ;) in some aspects we have simillar culture and traditions ... yes currently Ukraina is our friend

OP slo 1 | 51

27 Nov 2007 / #5

Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with? :-) It is technically impossible. But I am about current situation, I see that Ukrainian elite like and respect Polish. If you watch Ukrainian TV no one drops any critics to Polish policy. Of course it is possible that some issue come up, but it is not kind of tension we have everyday with Russians or Romanians. We just do not understand each other unlike Polish.

lesser 4 | 1311

27 Nov 2007 / #6

Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with?

Poland never fought a war against Hungary.

rafik 18 | 589

27 Nov 2007 / #7

hungary was a part of a great austro-hungarian empire which took part in partition of poland in the 18th century...

the current situation is quite good after our ex-president's help with your orange revolution but i don't think that it started from there.lots of people in poland feel are friendly towards ukraine and the ukrainians unlike to russians and their satelite country belarus.when i was in ukraine i felt like at home.it is strange how could we have such difficult relations in the past.

El Gato 4 | 351

27 Nov 2007 / #8

Do we ever have a neighbor with never having problems with? :-)

If everyone was Ned Flanders from the Simpsons the world would be one giant perfect neighbor....

:]

when i was in ukraine i felt like at home.

Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev so it was kinda like an old home... (of course 99% of Poles know this, but I felt I had to say it non-the-less)

:P

southern 73 | 7059

27 Nov 2007 / #9

I thank Serdushka.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6138

27 Nov 2007 / #10

Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev

But that's probably not what slo really likes.

El Gato 4 | 351

27 Nov 2007 / #11

I know, I was just saying that we are historically a similar group of people.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6138

27 Nov 2007 / #12

Yes...

Daisy 3 | 1211

28 Nov 2007 / #13

I thank Serdushka.

even a trannys legs are not safe from southern's gaze ;)

OP slo 1 | 51

28 Nov 2007 / #14

>it is strange how could we have such difficult relations in the past.

Common people, why difficult? Ukraine and Poland were in common country RP (under rule of Polish king, but also elected Senate and with strong local elites) for about 200 years and all we talk about it is last few years of break up. There was a common country for 200 years! Do you think it was only about hassle each other? I don't think so. I am sure it was not.

And you are not right, Kyiv was not a frontier of RPospolita, it was far East, Uman at least.

And Serduchla aka Andriy Danilko yeah... shaked ass of the Europe :-)

lesser 4 | 1311

28 Nov 2007 / #15

hungary was a part of a great austro-hungarian empire which took part in partition of poland in the 18th century...

This country was ruled by Austrian Hapsburg monarchy. Hungarians gained equal right just somewhere in second part of XIX century.

southern 73 | 7059

28 Nov 2007 / #16

even a trannys legs are not safe from southern's gaze ;)

I mean in the second part of video when he puts on his glasses.
Ukrainian girls greet you.TNMK.

rafik 18 | 589

28 Nov 2007 / #17

This country was ruled by Austrian Hapsburg monarchy. Hungarians gained equal right just somewhere in second part of XIX century.

still,technically, they took part in this awful thing..
no bad feelings though.i like hungarians,their spicy gulash and tokaj vine.when i was in tokaj i met a few nice people,drunk a few bottles of tokaj and had a great time....

Poland used to stretch as far as Kiev so it was kinda like an old home... (of course 99% of Poles know this, but I felt I had to say it non-the-less)

i felt at home in symferopol at krym peninsula.poland didn't stretch that far(or maybe did?)i think it was the feeling about the people,food,spirit and something else.

Crow 154 | 9602

28 Nov 2007 / #18

I just noticed

look how is Polish diplomacy/position balanced in Slavic world, now...

support to Ukraine, in the same time improving relations with Russia, more space to that what Serbs has to say in Polish online (maybe in other media, too) media

Those are my Poles.

congrats

Poland- core of Sarmatia, lead us!

OP slo 1 | 51

28 Nov 2007 / #19

>Poland- core of Sarmatia
:-) I Poland is still the core then Ukraine is roots of Sarmatia?

Crow 154 | 9602

28 Nov 2007 / #20

you know, after NATO bombardment, at least few months, Serbia looked like hole of Sarmatia

;)

Lukasz 49 | 1746

31 Mar 2008 / #21

time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1726240,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

(KIEV, Ukraine) - The struggle over Ukraine's bid to join NATO intensified Friday with a Polish expression of support for Kiev and a Russian offer of more cooperation in Afghanistan if the alliance shuts out both Ukraine and Georgia.

The summit is turning into a critical test for the alliance, which is split on the issue of Ukraine and Georgia. The United States, Canada and Eastern European members are backing them. Germany is leading Western European opposition and warns that granting the membership plan would torpedo hopes of improving relations with Russia.

Our meeting today confirmed that ... friendship between Poland and Ukraine is not just a motto, but it is a fact," Tusk said. He added that since both prime ministers assumed office at the end of last year, bilateral ties have acquired "new breath, new wings."

We understand why Ukrianinas welcomed Germans with flowers ... during WWII ... they thought Germans are better than Soviets ... once again they were wrong ...

faminegenocide.com/resources/genocide/

At the peak of the genocide, which was in March 1933 according to Prof. Conquest, Ukrainians were dying at the rate of 25,000 per day, 1,000 per hour or 17 every minute. Estimates of the total deaths vary from 5 to 10 million but 7 million is the accepted figure. This was almost one-quarter of the population of Ukraine.

Ok I would like to notice that international situation changes dramaticly.

I think that we shouldn't sell Ukrainians for Russians. I think they should have the right to have free choice.
Russia+submissive Ukraine is problem for EU and USA and nightmare for Poland.

Polish people are the most loved nation on Ukraine. I think that Polish people don't love Ukrainians (because of some reasons) ... we have practical view on this issue and leting Russians to decide about Ukrainians is horrible mistake.

They are not mature nation and they need more time, all I want to say is that we shouldn't close doors for them just because Russians say so.

celinski 31 | 1258

31 Mar 2008 / #22

Russia+submissive Ukraine

This is where Ukraine must decide if they want to remain independent country or Russia's puppet?

miranda

31 Mar 2008 / #23

I met a lot of Polish ppl in my life and would say that big majority were nice people, easy to understand not just because the languages are close, but mutually close. So, thank you Polish and let keep this way.

somewhat naive description of Polish-Ukrainin relationship here. Poland has an interest in being friendly with the Ukraione, besides, Poland has no allies when I think about it. Germany? NO. Russia?-NO. Post-communist countries?-NO.

celinski 31 | 1258

31 Mar 2008 / #24

Poland has no allies when I think about it

This is not true. In fact if it was not for Poland/USA tie do you even think NATO would be a question Ukraine could look at? Now that Russia is looking at the role they played in WW2 history it's just a matter of time until Ukraine must step up to bat and deal with issues left unresolved. This can bring Ukraine and Poland closer if responsability is taken.

miranda

31 Mar 2008 / #25

This is not true. In fact if it was not for Poland/USA tie do you even think NATO would be a question Ukraine could look at?

you need to be more clear and to the point.

Now that Russia is looking at the role they played in WW2 history it's just a matter of time until Ukraine must step up to bat and deal with issues left unresolved. This can bring Ukraine and Poland closer if responsibility is taken.

I am not talking about that and your reading comprehension is really dissapointing. I suggested that Poland really has no choice when it comes to allies at present. The least risky associations are the ones formed with Ukraine. There is enough common interest for both of the ocuntries to form some kind of friendship. I was not the case 50 years ago. Love for Ukraine flurished amongs Poles but is not genuine, rather interest oriented. I am not even talking about the unresolved issues. I am looking at the presetn situation. Poland is scared (and rightly so) of Russia. Hey, I am just being realistic;)

celinski 31 | 1258

31 Mar 2008 / #26

Poland is scared (and rightly so) of Russia.

I would say Poland is standing up to Russia, NATO/EU/Missle Shield, Ukraine on the other hand?

miranda

31 Mar 2008 / #27

So?

Lukasz 49 | 1746

31 Mar 2008 / #28

All I think that Ukraine should have done decision in 2004. Now it is much harder, and we support them because it is in our business ... unfortunately now there are biger money on table (gas, gas, gas) and nothing is sure... (Poland has clear opinion in this case)

as to Polish politics Kaczynski and Tusk do everything to deal with Russians. Tusk does it in more civilizated and realistic way ... we will see. I am not talking about invasion, one thing is sure. There will be no Imperial Russia with global aspirations without submissive Ukraine. Some people seem to don't understand it some pretend that they don't understand what is happening ...

it is not about if they are for or against. all I think it should be independent decison of Ukriane, where they want to belong.

matthias 3 | 429

31 Mar 2008 / #29

Hopefully Ukraine will recieve the MAP at the NATO meeting in Romania....

I must admit it is doubtful because of the selfish stance of Germany, France, Italy and Spain.... I don't see one good reason why Ukraine should not recieve the invitation... When will the countries mentioned above stop letting Russia set the terms... Ukraine is a free country and should be able to join any organization it wants....

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11926

31 Mar 2008 / #30

Ukraine is a free country and should be able to join any organization it wants..

Yeah..but you forget that even the ukrainians themselves are split on this question!

Why are you leaving out that little fact always?

What use is a NATO-member whose population is against the NATO?
What about another government in...say....5 years which heeds more to the wishes of it's people...they would want out again...That would make the NATO look ridiculous!

Half of Ukrainians opposed to Ukraine's membership of NATO, poll indicates

Commenting on the results of the poll at Interfax-Ukraine on Monday, Company Director General Oleksandr Bukhalov said if a national referendum on Ukraine's membership of NATO were to be held in near future, 50% of Ukrainians would vote against membership of NATO. In comparison with February 2007, the number of opponents of Ukraine's membership of NATO fell by 9.9%.

According to the poll, 24.3% of Ukrainians would vote for Ukraine's joining NATO, against 16.9% in February 2007.

Maybe a referendum would bring clarity...