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Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Apr 2008 /  #1
I will continue my posts about relations between Poland and other nations.

I know Polish - French friendship is soured by WWII ... all in all our relations are interesting and very positive in present time.

Shortly :

About one million ethnic Poles live in France, concentrated in the North/Callis Pass region, in the metropolitan area of Lille </div>

French people drink Polish Vodka, Germans drink Russian ... ;-)

I have been to France last summer and last Christmas and I am going to visit this place once again ...
Polson 5 | 1,771  
7 Apr 2008 /  #2
Heyy ! France, i've heard that name before ;))

Yep, good relations between the 2 countries, like always.

The French companies with the largest presence in Poland include France Télécom...

My father works at France Télécom :)

About this pic, it was made by the Polish tourist office. It's humoristic, this good-looking Polish plumber says "Je reste en Pologne, venez nombreux" (=I stay in Poland, all welcome). And if i remember well, i think he's actually a real plumber :P

Then, about French people drinking Wódka and Germans drinking Vodka, i don't really know :))

I have been to France last summer and last Christmasts and I am going to visit this place once again ...

You had fun ? Where did you go ?

Look at this vid -> taken from a French TV show, with a French humorist. I think the man on the pic is the same man here in the vid (3:48)
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Apr 2008 /  #3
Then, about French people drinking Wódka and Germans drinking Vodka, i don't really know :))

I have noticed (in Paris) that Sobieski Wódka is everywhere, In Germany it is really hard to find Polish Vodka. I think it must be popular Wódka in France ;) if you can find it without problems.

from my link ;)

In the late 17th century, Polish king John III Sobieski was married to a French princess, Marie Casimire Louise de la Grange d'Arquien, and tried to forge a Polish-French alliance.

You had fun ? Where did you go ?

Christmasts in Colmar (nice ... and boring place ;)) and in summer I have been to Paris ... I enjoyed it ... at the begining of june I will be there with my friends once again (for 3-4 days)

And if i remember well, i think he's actually a real plumber :P

of course he is ;) and she is reall nurse ;-)
Polson 5 | 1,771  
7 Apr 2008 /  #4
I must say that Polish Wódka is easy to find here in France (Sobieski and Żubrówka)

Colmar

I've been there once, it's a lovely city and must be great at Christmas ;) Why boring ?
This region (Alsace-Lorraine) is the French Silesia ^^ Used to be German, then French, then German again...and finally French ;)

she is reall nurse ;-)

Hehe ;))

"Pologne : je t'attends" = Poland : i'm waiting for you
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Apr 2008 /  #5
I've been there once, it's a lovely city and must be great at Christmas ;) Why boring ?

lets say boring in comparison to Paris or Poznan ;) I have to admit that it is nice place.

This region (Alsace-Lorraine) is the French Silesia ^^ Used to be German, then French, then German again...and finally French ;)

Finaly we have Silesia and you have Alsace ;) everything is ok :P (there is small difference Silesia was at the begining Polish ;) ... who cares :P )

"Pologne : je t'attends" = Poland : i'm waiting for you

Yes we have very good dentists in Poland ;)
Jozef Pilsudski - | 25  
9 Apr 2008 /  #6
Finaly we have Silesia and you have Alsace ;) everything is ok :P (there is small difference Silesia was at the begining Polish ;) ... who cares :P )

Prussia (and subsequently, the German Empire) stole Alsace from France (under Napoleon III) after the German victory in the Franco-Prussian War.
Crow 139 | 8,589  
9 Apr 2008 /  #7
Polish - French relations

its the relationship of constant manipulation with Poles and Poland by France

If there is justice in this world, if era of slavery didn`t happened, if there is no constant `drang nach osten`, if Polish elite was orriented on salvation of most westerners Slavic territories- Polish western borders would be at Sorbona in France, today.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #8
Prussia (and subsequently, the German Empire) stole Alsace from France (under Napoleon III) after the German victory in the Franco-Prussian War

Wrong again Pilsner!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace

History

In prehistoric times, Alsace was inhabited by nomadic hunters, but by 1500 BC, Celts began to settle in Alsace, clearing and cultivating the land. By 58 BC, the Romans had invaded and established Alsace as a center of viticulture. To protect this highly valued industry, the Romans built fortifications and military camps that evolved into various communities which have been inhabited continuously to the present day. While part of the Roman Empire, Alsace was part of Germania Superior. The Kingdom of Lotharingia was short-lived, however; the region that was to become Alsace fell to the Holy Roman Empire as part of the Duchy of Swabia in the Treaty of Meersen in 870...

The Elsaß also never got ethnically cleaned and is now
inhabited by people with both french and german roots - even if the whole of France is very germanic anyhow...they even got their name from a german tribes confederation, the Franks.

Alsace is so not like Silesia! The french are not Poles!!! :)

Germans and French share one of the most important Europeans ever: Charlemagne aka Karl der Große:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

He laid the foundations for what should later become France and Germany...
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #9
I like the borders on map you have posted :) Good Bratwurst (what is more look on tribes in eastern part of country on map) ;)

carrot for you :)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #10
I don't know what the Poles where doing at the time of Charlemagnes reign...as you see it's all blank...no info on that...but imagine this man, reigning over such a vast empire...you can even say the forerunner of the EU! French/German again! :):):)
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #11
it is blank because it has nothing to do with Germans ;) ... (BB not today not in French-Polish debate)

It seems that French prefer to run EU with Brits ... and Germans are a little bit worried. heheheh

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1310643,00.html

This week we had visit of German foreign affairs minister. He has been sleeping with his wife in house of our minster Sikorski and generally we all know that Germans are looking for allies in EU ;-) It was funny situation because we all know how Sikorski used to call Germans ;) (I would say strange situation)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #12
I'm not so sure Poles will have much success with trying to split the core....we know each other much longer than you and our countries became during 60 years very close interlocked with each other in ways you can't even imagine...

Actually I find your "he he" abit pathetic but then Poles were never really interested in making the EU work instead just to get as much out of it as possible, right?
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
9 Apr 2008 /  #13
our countries are very close interlocked with each other in ways you can't even imagine...

Oh we can. Poles have been very "closely interlocked" with Germans too :)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #14
oles have been very "closely interlocked" with Germans too :)

Never!
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #15
I'm not so sure Poles will have much success with trying to split the core....

We don't try :) It is Sarkozy who preferes Brits !!! :)

Actually I find your "he he" abit pathetic but then Poles were never really interested in making the EU working just to get as much out of it as possible, right?

We are interested in making EU better as well. That is why your minister has such a nice visit in Poland. I find this situation funny (that is all) German comming to Poland looking for support ... we are "task oriented peope" and in some cases cooperation is possible. :)))))
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #16
It is Sarkozy who preferes Brits !!! :)

I think Sarko thinks it's a good time to bring the Brits into the fold....there is not much for them anymore in their "special relationship" with the US...

I find this situation funny (that is all) German comming to Poland looking for support ...

Sure...if it makes you feel better :)
In what way would YOU of all people be a help for Germany? You can't even help yourself...
You only acted as the US boot in the european door and as an obstacle for better relationships with Russia till now!

Somehow I get the feeling you confuse regular diplomatic pleasantries with something more serious?
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #17
Sure...if it makes you feel better :)

It looks funny because 3 days before visit of German minister Sikorski said something about Germans ... and both Poles and Germans know what it was about ...

I read press and I know a lot about current German - French realtions :)))

In what way would YOU of all people a help for Germany? You can't even help yourself...

It was our minister who wnet to Germany looking for help ? Or German looking for help in Poland ?

(once again thank you for your map)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #18
Or German looking for help in Poland ?

What help???

(once again thank you for your map)

No thanks...should have been stuff for school actually...in Germany and France it is!
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #19
What help???

Sarkozy wants closer EU ties with Africa (Arabs) ...

and you don't want to pay EU funds for Arabs. am I right ?

For me it is funny situation that Germans come here and beg for support.

No thanks...should have been stuff for school actually...in Germany and France it is!

so if you have this maps in schools why you come here and talk this all stories about German Silesia ... (OMG not once again discussion about that) look on map eastern Germans are Slavic people. You have it in schools.

CROW you can hug our Slavic brother Bratwurs :)))
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #20
You are such a funny guy Lukasz...

*takes coat*
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #21
Ok bratwurst stay with us ;) your minister haven't been begging for support. We are normal EU members and we sometimes cooperate ;)

I haven't posted this map where eastern Germans are our close realtives. (If you have it in school ... so you should study it more carefuly) I remember your post form yesterday about Polonisated Germans who had to be more Polish than Poles ... So maybe it sticks to eastern "Germans" ;) (when we look on your map ;)... it seems true )
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #22
Manno Lukasz that whole discussion get's more and more surreal...for centuries our peoples mixed and the more Poland and Germany get immersed in the EU we will mix again...the borders are about to vanish...do you really think we should beat each other about THAT all the time again and again?

Actually I'm losing interest!

(But please stop Crow with his "so called western and actually slavic Germans" crap...can you do that?) :)
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #23
Manno Lukasz that whole discussion get's more and more surreal...for centuries our peoples mixed and the more Poland and Germany get immersed in the EU we will mix again...the borders are about to vanish...do you really think we should beat each other about THAT all the time again and again?Actuall I'm losing interest!

I think I know why you are losting interest ;)

Lets have happy end (at least for today) we are in EU and we must cooperate to make this organisation succesful ;) as to me we have more common interests with other members of EU than with Germans ...

situation with your minister was very funny, that is all !
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #24
I think I know why you are losting interest ;)

I don't think so! :)

as to me we have more common interests with other members of EU than with Germans ...

You have still to come a long way...let's leave it at that!
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #25
You have still to come a long way...let's leave it at that!

Ok so lets discusse our interests (German-Polish) and possible cooperation. Lets imagine there was no 1000 years of wars and both nations wants to make EU better. What common interests do we have. We prefere Atlantic aliance (eventualy no aliance and only strong EU with strong army), you prefere Russia. We prefere low taxes, you prefere social benefits, we prefere Ukraine, you prefere Russia. We prefere free trade and you prefere protectionism ... There are countries with more similar views on EU future to Polish than Germany.

Simple
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #26
1000 years of war....well that's the history of mankind and Europe...nothing new here!

You prefer the US - We prefer Europe

You prefer low taxes - We too would prefer low taxes but know that social benefits have a price!

You prefer Ukraine - We prefer Europe

You prefer free trade - Germany prefers trade, period!

There are countries with polish views and countries who share Germany's views, so what...but the EU was build and is run more after german views so it can't be that bad or else countries wouldn't stand in a queue to gain admission!

What has Poland to offer but just "another view"? You can't even say you are successful with your views..
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
9 Apr 2008 /  #27
I think Sarko thinks it's a good time to bring the Brits into the fold....there is not much for them anymore in their "special relationship" with the US...

Now that's funny...We've been in the EU for quite some time now and have good relationships with all the other members (particularly France & Germany)...as for our "special relationship" with US, that's always going to remain, we have a little bit of history with America ;0)
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
9 Apr 2008 /  #28
You prefer the US - We prefer Europe

We prefer Europe as well, 85% of Polish people want closer integration ... for this moment we are all member of NATO (US alies) and there is nothing like one EU defence policy.

You prefer Ukraine - We prefer Europe

Sarko promotes Arabs in EU we promote Ukraine ... you promote Russia ...

There are countries with polish views and countries who share Germany's views, so what..

EU isn't German tool to rule europe and we cooperate with all members of EU with common views to our ... that is all. I think it is how EU works. Sometimes we cooperate with French some times with Brits sometimes with Germans ...

EU constitution is consturucted in way where small countries will be ruled by big countries (because of representatives in some EU offices) Poland is on list of "6" and get used to it (read EU constitution).
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
9 Apr 2008 /  #29
Sarko promotes Arabs in EU we promote Ukraine ... you promote Russia ...

I don't understand you Lukasz...do you want to say that we promote membership for them? There is a difference between good relationship and an actual membership!

Just watch Turkey....good relationship but they can scream till they get blue in the face but will never become members...

EU isn't German tool to rule europe and we cooperate with all members of EU with common views to our ... that is all. I think it is how EU works. Sometimes we cooperate with French some times with Brits sometimes with Germans ...

Not if you use the EU to bring unrest and tension and intrigues in another wise well working body! Other than that you can do as you like....ah the old polish fear of an overpowering Germany...but learn to live with that, we can't and won't make us more smaller just to be more likeable or to fit you better!

EU constitution is consturucted in way where small countries will be ruled by big countries (because of representatives in some EU offices) Poland is on list of "6" and get used to it (read EU constitution).

What? What do you want to say?
Crow 139 | 8,589  
9 Apr 2008 /  #30
what is more look on tribes in eastern part of country on map

am i the only one who is brave enough to speak openly about `drang nach osten`. That evil happened to all Slavs, no matter on our religious background (Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox). Ancestors of all of us were objects of slavery. For our foes, only germanized Slavs are good Slavs, or to say- islamized (it becoming same after all).

France also taken (and still taking) its part in `drang nach osten`.

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