Polish-German Relations in the Present

well i do... simply because we had brought this thread to a nice ending that everyone ("to whom it concerns" in a way) could be happy with.

and people like this unfortunately all to often in this forum intervene...
usually only to prove their pointless points...

*headshake*

whatever... i think we both understand, don't we?
:-)

No, it is you, who probably aren't even Polish that disrupt Polish-German relations. The cowards of the West are happy with the way things are. You are one of them, slime.

Puzzler, I really doubt you are even Polish at all. You seem to be for Poland, yet you state things that make you seem like a Volksdeutche. You need to get you're priorities straight good man. And what does being more friendly mean for you? Probably giving back our land that we gained in the West after WW2 from the allies back to Germany eh? Something cowardly like that. I am all for a closer Europe, but lets get serious here. Germany has, and always will be the instigator of all the affairs. There is no negotiating with them when they can only spew Anti-Polish, and Polophobic shite our way.


No reason to worry about me eh? Puzzler, you really did have me going for a while that you were a true Pole and Slav. You have shown your true face. Poland only survives because there are people LIKE ME, true patriots who still support their inner nationalistic policies. But it is true, we are waging a losing battle, as demonstrated with PiS, being replaced by this "so called" Pole, Tusk.

- I hope we do. All the best, mate.
:)

And with a similar beautiful note, Poland was in slavery for so many years! Sold to the evils of Germany, Russia, and Austria. Thanks Puzzler, you and people like you will destroy our country soon enough..

dont talk such a rubbish...
i am german and so i most likely do more for the above relationship on a daily basis than you do.


okay... obviously you have some personal unresolved issues and EXACTLY this hatred instigates stupid things...


hahahahaha...

that is so yesterday...

your posts are pointless... but actually in a way very amusing...

got some more? ;-)

- Filios, what are you talking about? It's such a nonsense, mate. As for the subject of lack of patriotism, well, shouldn't you examine some of your statements in this forum?

Take it easy, mate.
;)

Like what?


Funny that you say that, when I recall you being the most, or what I now know was acting, pro-Polish with harsh tones in your posts.


my posts are what they are. amusing perhaps for you, but to some it is the truth, shining them right in the eyes, and they only need to realize that, and they will have salvation.


I have no inner-personal issues that are unresolved. My only issues with Germany and Poland negotiating, and being more friendly, are the terms that will be set forth, and surely bias towards the German side. Poland will be screwed, once again like all throughout history. But we shall rise up, just like at Gruwald, where our Slavic ancestors defended our homeland against the barbaric Germans.


yes, that is perhaps true, but for whom will this relationship more readily benefit? tell me

- And what specifically do you mean by this?

Puzzler please realize that this guy is a sham, a creep that is out to pollute the Polish threads and make the Germans out for our friendly compatriots. I have been to Germany, and I have seen their policies.

^or they saw you coming a mile away, the germans are good like that^

omg...

look. i am not polluting anything. there you should better look into a mirror.
tell me what poland is gaining from isolation. maybe it convinces me and i'll change my mind. so far you were only making statements which let me believe you have a very strong inferiority complex...


on a private note i am living with a polish girlfriend. (danger filios: because it might happen that i spoil polish blood...)

on a less private note i am moderating a german-polish forum, where interesting enough a far more friendly tone is spoken as it happens in this forum from time to time. yes we are smaller, but people there post when they actually have something to say...

Poland has nothing, and everything to gain from it. I have not said isolation is the correct means of building the country. Perhaps read more closely, friend.


and that is where you are wrong. i have never felt myself lower than any other human being, and even suffer from feeling higher, the total opposite of what you are saying. perhaps you are reading me wrong again? i fight for an influential nation, that co-exists with others and works with others on equal terms. where is the equality? Kaczynski tried in the EU voting system so that smaller nations could have a right in the proceedings of policies of EU, and of all people, who would have thought, Germany was 100% against it.


... which you mean is utter rubbish? No my friend, they are NOT posting what they truly feel, because they are hypnotized by you, and people like you, pollutants of the nationalistic soul.


really? because I could care less. I hope all is going well in that regards. If it happens that you impregnate her, well I have seen the policies of the Germans, and how they control what language the baby speaks if the family lives in Germany. Disgusting. How can Poland be closer to Germany, when there are still policies like that? The mother cant even teach, and the baby cant even learn Polish if the father is German. I have seen the truth, and I hope your g/f, and perhaps later, wife, will handle that.

- Right on, man.

You are blind Puzzler, for only a blind man cannot see the light of truth

here you speak utter rubbish. such policy does not exist and amongst certain (educated) parts of society having children to grow up bilingual is seen as a great opportunity.

don't try to picture germans all the time as backwards people. who are you trying to convince? yourself??


i am most certainly not your friend but thank you... apparently i have magic powers now... great. let's change the world then... ;-)

edit:


...says the right person.
maybe your truth is different from everybody elses??

I agree the_falkster, i know Polish-German friends i saw on holiday in Poland, they speak both German and Polish.
And if such a law existed, what would the authorities do if a family speaks 2 languages ? Call the police ?...

Denying it now, eh? hehe, and this is where I have caught you. There are many instances, I shall give you this one to munch on for now.

Poles back estranged father in language ban row
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/24/wpole24.xml

Not enough? Please ask, and I'll post more, for all us to see.


No magical powers, sheer slyness.


I did not say a law existed, however Germanies inner policies are still defined quite well, as Anti-Polish.
Please read the above article. There are many instances where courts rule for these kinds of things.

echt? kannste mir den Link per PN senden?

Look, you already have a convert falkster, well done!

your link shows a completely different case.
i am sure even you will see that.

yes. quite clearly this is a discussable case and personally i disagree with the hamburg welfare's decision, but still there is no such thing as a policy for such cases in germany.

i don't feel caught... sorry.

have to work tomorrow. sleep for now...

Don't bring me into your fight mate. I'm a neutral observer.

Guten Nächte , fruende :)

We should make a law that says it's illegal to speak German on this forum...

:]

Hehe, Polish is still okay here ? ;)

Then, dobranacht the_falkster (a mix of Polish and German, it's Polman or Gerlish, as you want)

:)

Haha. Reminds me of the time one of my friends got tongue tied trying to say German, and said Germish...

:]

LoL i'm glad i'm refreshing your memory ;)

Yeah. Memory's been fried lately.

Did you eat it ?...

:)

?
we might have very different views but THAT is unexpected but very fair.
thanks. hope you had a good night too...

ok so maybe we should discusse about problems we have with Germans.

1 Nord Stream (gas pipe)

2 They want to bulid kind of center in Berlin showing them as victims of WWII

3 case of western terytories of Poland

1) Nord Stream is gas pipe which avoid Poland is much more expenisve than the other projects.

2) The most interesting fact is that Hitler was supported especialy by Germans living in Wrocla/Breslau or Szczecin, and this gorund are traditionaly slavic ground where Poles were oprest by centuries ... yest this gorunds in first part of XX century were definately German, but it was the result of anty Polish policy in the past. In 1945 they were expeled (it was decision of Russian UK and USA not our) and Poles expeled form eastern part of Poland started new life there, and this ground are core of Polish origin.

about Germanisation



so idea of showing Germans as victims is pathetic ... borders are result of their policy in the past. Just think what would happen if Hitler have won the war ...

3) Maybe it is connected to second point, but what is important:
We know that German gov dont support organisation which want our grounds for Germans, but the fact is that those organisations really exist and we have so many processes in courts with them in this case, that we decided to make pressure on Germans to solve this porblem by agreement. We want them to sign official document that their gov will take this all processes on their accout ... unfortumately they dont want to sign it. In this case we proposse them "zero option" we dont want antyhing form them and they dont wan anything form us. What is impotrant Germans destroyed Warszawa (95% was totaly destroyed) killed 6 mln of our citizens (3 mln jews and 3 mln of other religion) and havent payed anything for that. We havent particpated in Marshal plan, yes they have been paying big money for EU contries just after the war, but unfortumately we havent been in EU then ...

Shortly we want to close this case, but last time Germans started to think they are victims ... what is pathetic. And Germans live in the past not we ...

What is funny some German organisations dreamed that when we will be in EU they will simply buy western grounds of Poland ;) and what do we have now ... they cant buy it (we negociated it before accesion to EU) but last time what is really good sign Poles started to buy eastern Germany ... what means that we are ready to change our law and permit to buy "Polish land" ;) for EU citizens...