Polish-German Relations in the Present

And you sir, should read my post, try to understand it, and then reply instead of calling me names.


That means representing what is real, not abstract or ideal. The reality is that Poland is not a super-power and it does not have military, economic nor political power to make any demands and threats.


NO. What I was trying to say is that Poland should have reliable allies, strong economic, military and political position in Europe (and outside) to be able to back up its demands.

"Standing up" just because it sounds good and "tough" is just plain stupid.


a) how do you know I am liberal?

b) stop calling me coward

c) who are you to tell other people to disregard me?

So it's true, you are just worried about physical appearance. The president was laughed at more so because he was quite nationalist in his policies, and gave Germany and other EU countries a hard time to try and get what he wanted, what was the best for his country.


Yes, that is true to some degree. However, if Poland rolled over and let herself be raped by other, stronger countries in the EU, there would be no progress whatsoever, for without demands and some kind of self-identity, then there is no moving forward. Frankly, Poland will never be a "superpower" as you put it, and in your belief, never be in a position for bargaining. Then what is she now? A unrecognized tract of land? Please, don't make me laugh. With your logic, then Germany, Russia and England would be ruling Europe and the rest of us "little guys" would be at their mercy.


And once again, you show you know nothing about the country of Poland. Reliable allies? When in their history have they had reliable allies? They've been surrounded by these powers all throughout history, and it is in a Poles blood to make his demands, no matter how "weak" his backup is.

Furthermore, you commented on how "Standing up" because it sounds tough is plain stupid. You have nothing to base this on. Tell me, do you even consider yourself a Pole, or a generic European? Are you even proud of your heritage, your history? Have you no shame saying that Standing Up is plain stupid? What do you consider sounding good, and tough?


a) You have it smeared all over your posts, pro-EU creep
b) I will, when you stop acting like one
c) I go as far as to say I acted wrong by saying this, I do not in fact, have that privelage

I feel the damage was already done. Now Poland can speak up and you say to not rock the boat. Maybe the laughter you are hearing is from the ones not having to be held responsable.

Poland needs to show back bone now. Funny that this is showing up in here vs. Russia or Ukraine. Reguardless of where it shows up Poland must insist that the ones responsable step up.

The war is over now lets act our age and demand respect. Our family fought and real blood covered the ground. Everyone knows the truth and yet still think they can victimise Poland. Not if we put the truth before the world.


Who really cares about name calling. Read history and being called "a potatoe" is not to important. Having your country taken by communism and killed looks rather differant.


That is just being rude. I am Polish and proud of my people and country.

Carol, USA

thats just the sort of feeble reply i expect from you


poland doesnt need to get people backs up


we all know you are hugely proud of your heritage; that you have a chip on your shoulder and that you dwell in the past rather than work for the future

Sure. Progress. I'm glad you mentioned it. This "standing up" has brought us nothing but progress! Starting from partitions, through all insurrections & uprisings, WWI, WWII and over 40 years of communist rule. Nothing but pure progress.


Are they not leading Europe now? Are they not the strongest countries in Europe now? Where is Poland? What is our position in Europe now?


We have never had any reliable allies but we need them.

I don’t know anything about your blood but it is not in my nature to be unrealistic.

ok so maybe what do we have now

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7138012.stm



I would like to see Brits reaction on project of museum of UK genocide made by RAF ... without showing bombardments of London ...


from the other hand there were succesful actions too all in all without resistnce we wouldnt speak Polish we wouldnt have our culture ...

Would you call it progress though?

I am proud (just as you do) that we had courage to defend ourselves when there was no hope for victory. But I will not call it "progress" and I don't want history repeat itself just because some idiot wants to "stand up" and get us in trouble again.

I dont know if we can call it progress ;)

but the fact is that those Poles who became submissive later changed into Germans or Russians ... and maybe that is why nowadays swashbuckler DNA ;) is so noticable in our nation ;))) you have to be rebeliant form your nature to be Pole :-)

Poland superpower.I would like that.

Name calling , you are how old? So nice to be in an adult world. Seems to me you don't understand the word freedom. Do you see the claims coming into Poland? I guess you think Poland paying them off non stop is ok? Carol

Poles I admit you.You have guts.Other countries wouldn't even think of challenging european godfathers.

They are just people just like us. Carol

lol EU godfathers are France Germany UK the strongest countries with the bigest influence ... ;) it wasny about race/nation

People?Just plain people?Carol I think you are disrespectful.

I apologize for using word "idiot" but it doesn't change my view. I think this "stand up" approach to our foreign policy is just unrealistic and may bring a lot of trouble for Poland.


I see those claims but there are other ways of dealing with such matters. Other than “stand up” approach.


Wrong guess.

I am sure this will help? Poor Germans having to leave a country they thought they could take. Carol

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm


Calm down. It's not like I called them potatoes. Carol


Someone has to so we can have a brighter future. Bummer for you Bubba opps I mean BubbaWoo. I don't think you really want me to give the low down on you.

Carol

I'm not trying to glorify anything.....but in general people can be very outspoken here in the US, even if they have extreme, unbalanced viewpoints, and no one rushes to "put them in a corner". Unless they are in the public media, such as radio announcers....then they do catch some heat! When this happens it always causes a big argument about freedom of speech versus defamation and slander. From Wiki: In the United States, government is broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. Jurists generally understand this to mean that the government cannot regulate the content of speech, but that it can address the harmful effects of speech through laws such as those against defamation or incitement to riot.


I believe there is good and bad in all people, regardless of race, creed, etc. I think that my personal beliefs do not reflect, nor or represented by the US governments policies or actions. I was trying to say that as an American looking "in" at Polish-German relations from the ouside, maybe I can see some things that Poles and Germans don't see so easily, because of their strong, intense emotional involvement. When strong emotions prevail, often objective reasoning gets drowned out a bit. We usually think clearer with cool heads.


No southern, I had not read that. It sounds typical of warfare though. :(


I saw this too....I understand that the world cup was a bit of a revelation for Germans because it did provide a reason to be proud as a nation, rather than be ashamed, of their homeland for the first time in a very big way. That should help to move people forward.


Hmmm....I can put myself in many different shoes, and see things from another's perspective. I am appreciative of that ability....it has taught me a lot. When and where do I see the action of the "victim role". Well, in comments and attitudes by some members here on this forum. And even in you, Puzzly. At times you are very convinced that people hate Poles, even when they don't! :)

Then you have not heard that the order was carried out.One million impregantions in Berlin by soviet soldiers.Slavic genes change east Germany forever.

unfortunately the ones quoted here are almost all lying in the past and therefor hardly can be changed.
time to look into the forward direction...


these are two different pairs of shoes! if every gov in europe would have acted like this there would be no EU in the first place...

and then there was celinski somewhere asking if i am russian or german...
well. you probably followed this thread quite a while than you will know the answer already...
i am german...

dwelling on the past does not a brighter future make - put the past behind you and move on


i doubt any one gives a fly fuk if you give the low down on me - i certainly dont and doubt very much you could say anything i would give a second glance

youre a bitter old woman carol with very little to live for except the past - fuk knows what your future looks like but i doubt it will be of any benefit to poland

Bubba, UK, mutha fuka

Oh sure...

Reminding the real history of WW2=living in the past

Reminding "suffering" of poor Gerries=building the future

Yawn...

Bratwurst lives in the future.

Everyone could try living in the present! Past is done, future hasn't happened......you know the drill.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Learn from the past,but don't wallow in it. :)

- Sorry, but I haven't noticed this ability as regards us Poles.


- Give examples of those 'comments and attitudes by some members' and of my being 'very convinced that people hate Poles, even when they don't!'

Hmmm...I was thinking about the time you freaked out when that little girl was accidentlally shot after a brawl in...was it Italy? You absolutely came unglued about that, saying it was just an attack on Poles.

- Where did I say 'it was just an attack on Poles'? Aren't you putting your own words in my mouth? - What I suggested was that there's a strong Polonophobia in Italy which is, as anywhere else, fanned out by the media psychopaths.


- You've been certainly, ahem, 'positively' contributing to the image of UK among us Poles, by your coarseness and brutality.

So Puzzly......what do you think of Mister Tusk? Will he improve Poland's relationship with Germany and other EU countries?

personally, i am more than happy to re-enforce the british stereotype of a nation that doesnt take kindly to bull sh!t from upstarts or anyone else

- Unfortunately, it's not that stereotype that you appear to have been reinforcing. And Carol didn't deserve the lowdown from you.

she misenterpreted something i wrote and jumped to a conclusion - as poles on here seem to do - and made a comment on it. rather than go thru the rigmarol of telling her she made a mistake and then getting the uppity reply that always seems to follow i decided to re-enforce her incorrect view