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Nathan 18 | 1,363  
11 Aug 2009 /  #61
Sorry, can't think of any that are ex-UPA for you.

I knew you were bluffing. I asked you to give me a few names of historians you read and you refused. How low is that? I don't need books written by UPA veterans or any Ukrainian historian. I didn't ask for that. Anyhow, PK, I wasn't expecting much anyway from you ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #62
The Jews were a seperate group in France, but they were not treated as bad as in Poland or Russia.

Invite a Jew to the house, share your bread with him and the next morning he'll say you're an anti-semit because you didnt give him all your money too :)

Read about the Commonwealth, how you were tolerated, protected and still you refused to even try and integrate into the society, you built yourself ghettos to shield yourself from the dirty goi who fought wars against people who'd wipe you out.

You're yet another proof that you Jews are just a bunch of ungratefull twats with a hand always outstretched in demand, you're also proof that integration works only in certain similar circles, inviting you to Poland was a huge mistake, if only because generations later people like you repay for our kindness with a fist full of shyt.

Jews never fully integrated anywhere since they're not European, neither did Muslims yet for example Germans and Poles when not trying to murder each other as countries were able to co-exist smoothly and without sparks as societies.

Maybe we should start protecting real Europe?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
11 Aug 2009 /  #63
when the Nazis invaded Holland, it was this very integration that made it easy for them to pick out the Jews and that is also why Holland relatively has the highest number of Jewish victims during WW2.

I heard the opposite was true. Segregation is what made jews so distinguishable. If they had mixed with everyone else they would have been harder to spot.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #64
Jews never fully integrated anywhere since they're not European

I was born in Europe, lived my entire life in Europe and probably will die in Europe. Of course I am not European.

I heard the opposite was true. Segregation is what made jews so distinguishable. If they had mixed with everyone else they would have been harder to spot.

You heard wrong. In Holland, when asked, all Jews were acting as correct Dutch citizens when asked somewhere before the war to go to the townhall and register themselves, and went. When asked to state their religion, they did. When the Germans came, all the archives were freely available to them, all they had to do was just sift through the names and pick out the ones that had a "J" in the column for religion. Easy-peasy. A girl could do it.

You are naive!
You don't really believe the foreigners will ever be fully integrated or even plan to, don't you?
Where do you think the growing support for the rightists in the Netherland comes from?
Geert Wilders anybody???

The presence of somebody like Geert Wilders doesn't necessary mean that I agree with him. He is just a populist that shouts without arguments. And the underbelly of Dutch society who supports him? They are still a minority in the first place and now it may be minorities, but next year when somebody keeps telling them that grass should be blue, then they all shout for the person who says so in public. Geert Wilders is the cancer of the Dutch society: he has no plan, except personal gain, no vision except hatred and has basically no clue what to do, should he come to power in 2010 after the elections. In fact, even though I despise him, I actually hope he gets to power next year as I would love to see him fail. Because he will. His "party" or "movement" consists of only 1 member, namely himself. And besides all this blablabla of his, he is of Indonesian descent himself and is married to a Hungarian woman. But that is not an issue to him. Haven't heard him bring decent proposals to tackle the crisis; his only solution is: throw them in jail and after that back to the originating country. We are talking about kids who were born and raised in Holland. Mister Wilders was terrifying silent when it turned out to be a DUTCHMAN who committed the attack on our queen on the 30th of April this year. Instead, his party-paper, DeTelegraaf, sought loads and loads of mitigating circumstances to explain this deed in which 9 ppl died. However, if a Moroccan just about as looks dirty at a DUTCH person, then his solution is: in jail for 10 years and then back to Morocco. And for the rest his only solution is: throw them in jail or ban it. Does the air smell bad? Ban the air! Et cetera, I guess you catch my drift here. Geert Wilders is NO solution whatsoever and will bite himself in the long run and die off as a movement.

M-G (is anxiously waiting for that moment)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
11 Aug 2009 /  #65
PlasticPole:
Jews never fully integrated anywhere since they're not European

heh, that's not my quote.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #66
No, it's Sokrates' quote. Just thought I give you the credit for it.

:)

M-G (generous)
mvefa 5 | 591  
11 Aug 2009 /  #67
Geert Wilders anybody???

In Holland we mostly laugh at this guy, because he does not make sense at all, his plan is only, ban ban ban muslims...

He does not have any solution as for people who were born here, etc, he is just a xenophobic guy, scared of his own shadow...
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #68
all Jews were acting as correct Dutch citizens

Just like they did in Poland? The moment Russia invaded your people turned on their Polish hosts murdering women and children. Oh wait maybe like in Palestine where you stole the locals land? Or maybe like correct US citizens milking America dry?
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #69
your people

It's that good old "us against them" all over again. I was born and raised in Holland, I live in Dublin right now, but I am Dutchman first and foremost. I am not even religious, so the whole Judaism-crap can be forgotten. And besides that, what you're stating is simply not true. It were the Poles who murdered 40+ Jews not even a year after the Holocaust. It's documented and all.

Let me ask you a question: have you recently been dumped very severely by a hot Jewish girl?

M-G (makes sense)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #70
The presence of somebody like Geert Wilders doesn't necessary mean that I agree with him.

I didn't say you agree with him.
I think you are one of those soft, kindhearted people who prefer to see the world through their rose tinted glasses...but the world isn't like you want it to be and she never will be.

And he is just one symbol of many anyhow.
Right now it's mostly still quiet and peacy...the limit is not yet reached (it's not even started yet)
But try to envision Europe in 2050 when an average of 20 percent of the Europeans will be muslims for example.
In several countries like Holland they will have reached maybe parity already or even a majority in places.
Many of them will not be westernized nor would they want to, current experiences with in Europe born and raised muslims don't change it to the better.

What do you think will keep them from trying to reform the country after THEIR wishes and ideals...it's a democracy after all, isn't it?

The majority decides, right?

Maybe you will be happy about that, still living the multikulti dream but I promise you many people will not.

PS: It's the same problem Israel faces actually...that demography will take the jewish character away from Israel in few decades.
Should they too just sit back and accept it?

In Holland we mostly laugh at this guy, because he does not make sense at all, his plan is only, ban ban ban muslims...

He does not have any solution as for people who were born here, etc, he is just a xenophobic guy, scared of his own shadow...

Can't you see into the future? Are you really so blind???

Geert Wilders is NO solution whatsoever and will bite himself in the long run and die off as a movement.

Then what is YOUR solution?
Nothing to see? Nothing to hear? Nothing to say?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #71
M-G i'll drop the discussion i dont agree with almost everything you say but the Jew-Pole topic got beaten dead so many times i give up, lets agree on not agreeing BB style and roll on.

Many of them will not be westernized

Amusingly enough Muslims do not seem to westernize at all, they do westernize in the sense that they embrace luxuries and customs, porn, alcohol etc but at the same time they adhere to their customs as well (creating a contradiction but its often OK if muslims do that).

So we have a modernized (not Westernized) little Middle East growing in our backyard.

And BB raises a good point, what if these apes demand our women mask themselves or start passing laws where i get fined for kissing my girl in public? They do it in their own countries and they're quite open about how they dont like how we run things.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #72
They hate us...muslim men interviewed told quite openly how they condemn us for our way of living.

If a muslim father of the second generation forbids his children of the third generation born and raised in Europe to get engaged with Europeans because of their life style but rather forces them to chose partner from the good 'ol muslim home country says all about their wish to integrate...and that won't get any better.

To the contrary...numbers are power! Right now they are a small minority...
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #73
Then what is YOUR solution?

Well, WHAT you want to do about it, then? It's a given fact that they are here. You want to start some sort of extermination war against them? Dutch, Germans, French and all, once they came somewhere for the first time. And they stayed. There is nothing you can do about that. So maybe start tolerating and guiding so that religious fanatism cannot take a foot-hold and everybody is happy.

M-G (tired)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #74
There is nothing you can do about that

So...just giving up? Putting our children and our grandchildren in an impossible situation? Is that your idea?

Of course we can and have to do something. It's our house and if guests aren't behaving they have to go, we are still the owners of our houses!

It needs some new laws and some of the already existing laws better enforced.

So maybe start tolerating and guiding so that religious fanatism cannot take a foot-hold and everybody is happy.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!
Do you really think religious fanatism can be curbed by tolerance and being nice and cuddly????

Oh.My.God!
Do you care for Europe one bit? I doubt it...
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #75
Well, WHAT you want to do about it, then?

Example, if students stop coming to classes because of the cross on the wall (they did in UK) expell them, if muslim gangs are cought converting people, send them to labor camps, next time muslims pull of "die infidels' demonstrations send in police with guns and dogs.

Sign deals with some poor african states, we'd pay them for dumping undesirables, worst cases would be stripped of citizenship and dumped in some nowhereland.

At the same time start discouraging their birth rates via pharmaceutic solutions while financially encouraging white European families to have kids, also cut them off from welfare which so many of them live on.

So maybe start tolerating and guiding

Its being done for decades now and it failed, by now its pretty obvious we're simply too different to live peacefully side by side.

fanatism cannot take a foot-hold and everybody is happy.

It already did and that was when they were kept happy so apparently your solutions missed the mark, maybe going to war would work, especially since we're not going to be stronger than them much longer if we keep it up.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #76
Cutting them off from welfare would be one of the first things I would do.

For many it's the main reason to come and bring their whole brood into Europe..yes...we are that stupid.
And they laugh about us behind our backs...
Cut that off and watch them leave in the search for better shores!
They don't care for Europe or the Europeans...not one bit...only our money...
(I think maybe 50 percent of the problem could be peacefully solved that way)
Matowy - | 295  
11 Aug 2009 /  #77
But try to envision Europe in 2050 when an average of 20 percent of the Europeans will be muslims for example.

You'd have to be clairvoyant to predict such a thing.

Its being done for decades now and it failed, by now its pretty obvious we're simply too different to live peacefully side by side.

Why not? What exactly is occurring that makes it impossible to live side-by-side? I don't see anything of major importance. Exaggerating the facts to make your fear-mongering appear more valid does not equate to a valid reason for being so paranoid.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #78
Murders, rapes, forced conversions and religious unrests, there's nothing paranoid about it all.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #79
You'd have to be clairvoyant to predict such a thing.

Sadly no:

Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society.

You okay with that? I'm not!

...The altered population mix has far-reaching implications for education, housing, welfare, labour, the arts and everything in between. It could have a critical impact on foreign policy...

It will never be peaceful Multikulti but one culture taking over the lead from the other...and this time it will be assertive Muslims.
When we do nothing...that won't be OUR Europe anylonger!
Matowy - | 295  
11 Aug 2009 /  #80
Murders, rapes, forced conversions and religious unrests, there's nothing paranoid about it all.

None of that stuff happens so often that we can declare it even remotely an epidemic. At the most it's an unfortunate incident that occurs every once in a while.

Murderers and rapists go to jail.

Forced conversions... I have honestly never heard of that. I can only assume those being converted are too weak-minded and worthless to even care about.

Religious unrest - I see little to none. Elaborate?
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
11 Aug 2009 /  #81
...does not equate to a valid reason for being so paranoid.

As a side note:
I have quite a few friends all over Europe who traveled for a year or longer around the globe when they were younger. These people were open-minded by default, so to say, but even them are turning into strong sceptics now when it comes to Muslims in their home countries. Makes me wonder.
Matowy - | 295  
11 Aug 2009 /  #82
I don't deny there's an issue. I don't particularly have a fondness of Muslims myself. However, they segregate themselves to such a degree that it's entirely more than possible for everyone to get on with their lives without having to get in eachothers way. There's nowhere near enough of a problem for there to be so much fear-mongering.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #83
Religious unrest - I see little to none. Elaborate?

Another one who will only open his eyes when it is to late...

However, they segregate themselves to such a degree that it's entirely more than possible for everyone to get on with their lives without having to get in eachothers way.

Because they are still to few...still to much a minority to shape their environment (our Europe) after their will.

If the numbers are changed it will be US in the ghettoes!
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
11 Aug 2009 /  #84
None of that stuff happens so often that we can declare it even remotely an epidemic.

Use google.

even remotely an epidemic.

Its common, it happens often and it is an epidemic, you're in denial.

unfortunate incident that occurs every once in a while.

Every day.

Murderers and rapists go to jail.

Only to be replaced by two more.

Religious unrest - I see little to none. Elaborate?

See previous pages of the topic i'm really tired of popping links to stuff thats on google in the hundreds of thousands of links.

Forced conversions... I have honestly never heard of that

Stop playing stupid, its all documented even in British press.

americanthinker.com/blog/2007/02/post_20.html

Its common in Sweden and UK, just as rapes and gangs that beat up native Brits for no other reason than being Brits.

Its a pandemic and a problem, these minorities cannot co-exist with us and lord knows they were given a chance.
TheOther 6 | 3,692  
11 Aug 2009 /  #85
However, they segregate themselves to such a degree

But isn't that a problem in itself? I mean, look at what happened in France last year, or think about the huge Turkish gettho Kreuzberg in Berlin. Just to name a few. What makes me feel uncomfortable is that first and second generation muslims seem to integrate quite well, whereas third and fourth generation kids increasingly separate themselves from society and become radicalized. Or is this just a false impression I have?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #86
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

...a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades,...

ragtime27 1 | 146  
12 Aug 2009 /  #87
try to envision Europe in 2050 when an average of 20 percent of the Europeans will be muslims for example.

How about starting making babies instead of wasting time then.

take an example France(more Muslims than anywhere else in EU) population about 65millions,Muslims about 3%

while two 2007 polls placed it at 3% of the national population..

I honestly never heard of forced conversion,this is first time.

I guess guys you're little paranoid,go on guys make babies not wars.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
12 Aug 2009 /  #88
I guess guys you're little paranoid

big time, too much time on their hands.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650  
12 Aug 2009 /  #89
How about starting making babies instead of wasting time then.

Well, if you want to pay for all the babies but some people aint got the money to start making a bunch of babies. You got to take care of them.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
12 Aug 2009 /  #90
ake an example France(more Muslims than anywhere else in EU) population about 65millions,Muslims about 3%

Like most liberals you're full of shyt and lying to justify these fanatics, France has an estimated 6-10% Muslim pop, at this point im starting to think we could dump you guys on the same ship with the pakis, if you enjoy honor murders so much go live with them in their countries.

Also read projection, by 2030 pakis will constitute 5-10% of population in all Western countries, by 2050 25%-40%.

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