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Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
10 Aug 2009 /  #31
aka Ciemnogrod?

Thats a communist heritage, notice i dont play racial purity games its just that muslims and to the lesser degree asians and blacks created challenges that no host country could meet, i dont want to have ethnic slums and religious crimes here, you can walk through most poor neighbourhoods without fear in Poland, can you do the same in London?

statistics??

what do you want statistics on? Religious or cultural/ethnic based crimes? Poland is like 95% or more Polish, ofc the crime rate on these will be lower, also muslims never ever assimilated, i dont want some monkey screaming how women should cover their faces or some idiot mullah preaching hate against my countrymen because we dont want to adhere to their barbaric standards.

Also statistics mean nothing given how UK police ignores crimes by minorities. But still how much crap Brit authorities ignore?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
10 Aug 2009 /  #32
you can walk through most poor neighbourhoods without fear in Poland

depends of the size. If it is the size of London then you might have a point. If not then you don't:).

notice i dont play racial purity games

yes, you do. You sound like a hypocrite to me. Poland was never tolerant towards any minorities the way Western countries are trying to be. West and Poland have different situation when it comes to minorities, that is all at the moment. Most Muslims are not attracted to Poland anyways, so the threat is an imaginary one at the moment.

MY OPINION ONLY;0
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
10 Aug 2009 /  #33
You sound like a hypocrite to me.

Sorry i'm not playing political corectness either, mulims have proven to be inferior through their barbaric culture, i refuse to tolerate immigrants who deny basic rights to women and children and follow a fascist cult.

Poland was never tolerant towards any minorities the way Western countries are trying to be.

Poland was the most tolerant country for more than half a millenium, Jews, Protestants etc, if you were persecuted elsewhere you found heaven in Poland, read up about the Commonwealth.

West and Poland have different situation when it comes to minorities

And i'm very very glad they do.

Most Muslims are not attracted to Poland anyways,

Thank God for that.

so the threat is an imaginary one at the moment.

No its not, Poland just proven it has the strongest most flexible economy in Europe and it grows, once we reach the welfare stage all the Pakis will try to come here as well, they're like locust going from place to place trying to enforce their way or life along the way.

Why dont you see Poles beating up Brits or trying to convert them to Catholicism? Why only muslims create such issues? Oh wait i forgot we're all equal and peachy and occasional honor murders are just accidents.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
10 Aug 2009 /  #34
Most Muslims are not attracted to Poland anyways, so the threat is an imaginary one at the moment.

Give it ten years.
Harry  
10 Aug 2009 /  #35
Religious or cultural/ethnic based crimes? Poland is like 95% or more Polish, ofc the crime rate on these will be lower

You still manage to lead Germany, France and Austria in racist crime tho!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
10 Aug 2009 /  #36
No its not, Poland just proven it has the strongest most flexible economy in Europe and it grows, once we reach the welfare stage all the Pakis will try to come here as well, they're like locust going from place to place trying to enforce their way or life along the way.

a little like Polish immigration, Polish diaspora- don't you think?

Why dont you see Poles beating up Brits or trying to convert them to Catholicism?

why would anybody try to convert Christian to Christianity. Besides, Poles are not good in converting other faiths. They have never been successful with Jews mind you:).

Why only muslims create such issues?

don't ask me, ask the Muslim people, although I have a feeling that you are blowing it out of proportion. Have any Muslim ever try to convert you?

Oh wait i forgot we're all equal and peachy and occasional honor murders are just accidents.

so called honor killings are mostly done within their own community. Unless I don't know the facts.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
10 Aug 2009 /  #37
No its not, Poland just proven it has the strongest most flexible economy in Europe and it grows, once we reach the welfare stage all the Pakis will try to come here as well, they're like locust going from place to place trying to enforce their way or life along the way.

You are deluded beyond belief.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
10 Aug 2009 /  #38
so called honor killings are mostly done within their own community. Unless I don't know the facts.

And that makes them acceptable? Bollocks!

don't ask me, ask the Muslim people, although I have a feeling that you are blowing it out of proportion. Have any Muslim ever try to convert you?

Google muslim convertion gangs.

a little like Polish immigration, Polish diaspora- don't you think?

No i dont, Poles are not a major security issue in any country, we work hard well and cheap, those of us that stay for good assimilate completely and our customs and traditions are never in contradiction to the western states.

Ever seen a Polish ethnic riot? Ever got beaten up by Polish diaspora for not being Polish or Catholic?

I have nothing against white western emigration or to a lesser extent that of eastern Europeans but i will always oppose free flow of colored minorities and muslims, the West has failed with its assimilation policies so why should we follow them?

They have never been successful with Jews mind you:).

Jews were welcomed in Poland for centuries, they alienated themselves by creating enclaves (Ghettos).
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
10 Aug 2009 /  #39
And that makes them acceptable? Bollocks!

did I ever said it was? What the fek is your problem? You are in Poland, so you are safe. Stop spreading the fear. I asked you if anyone has ever tried to convert you to Muslim religion.

Google muslim convertion gangs.

yah, I did. Relates mainly to prison and gang culture. Were you/are you part of that culture?

No i dont, Poles are not a major security issue in any country, we work hard well and cheap, those of us that stay for good assimilate completely and our customs and traditions are never in contradiction to the western states.

well, that is nice, don't you think, trying to compare Polish to another culture without absolute lack of understanding on your part. So according to you every Muslim tires to covert other religions and every Pole is an angel, hard working, intelligent, tolerant, educated, open, peaceful- simply somebody who should be an example to all nations. I tend to disagree. LOL. You are a Pole and you are so pushy with your believes that you are no better then the people (Muslim here, another day can be somebody else) you are attacking.

I have nothing against white western emigration or to a lesser extent that of eastern Europeans but i will always oppose free flow of colored minorities and muslims, the West has failed with its assimilation policies so why should we follow them?

that is not your concern unless you live in one of those countries (hosting other minorities). There are hardly any Muslim in Poland so why don't you stop spreading fear? He?

Jews were welcomed in Poland for centuries, they alienated themselves by creating enclaves (Ghettos).

I was not talking about that. I was talking of Poles trying to convert Jews. It did not work.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
10 Aug 2009 /  #40
did I ever said it was? What the fek is your problem? You are in Poland, so you are safe. Stop spreading the fear. I asked you if anyone has ever tried to convert you to Muslim religion.

It doesnt matter if someone tried to convert me specifically, what matter is that its common to forcefully convert people in UK.

don't you think, trying to compare Polish to another culture without absolute lack of understanding on your part.

Whats there to understand? Poles assimilate well and without major issues, Muslims do not.

So according to you every Muslim tires to covert other religions

No but many do and unless we can establish a mechanism that allows us to differentiate among muslim elements as to which are safe and which are not it is in our national interest not to let them in at all.

and every Pole is an angel, hard working, intelligent, tolerant, educated, open, peaceful

Of course not but Polish diaspora does not generate any cultural, religous or ethnical issues, Muslim communities do, i never doubted that there are decent hard working Muslims but given how many of them are backwards barbarians it is dangerous and erroneous to treat muslim society as a civilized equal.

Muslims repeatedly proven to be completely alien and hostile to the "Western" civilization, those are not freak incidents but a norm for them.

You are a Pole and you are so pushy with your believes

Unlike some muslims i may not like what you're saying but i will defend your right to say it, i would never dream of telling your woman what to wear or impress my beliefs upon you under pain of violence so i daresay i'm a lot better than many muslims and so are my countrymen.

that is not your concern unless you live in one of those countries

It is my concern, Poland is muslim free and thats a good time to raise awareness and not let "political correctness" blind our people into letting these cavemen into Poland in the future.

why don't you stop spreading fear?

If there was nothing to fear i wouldnt have reason to fear.

Muslims contributing to their British hosts:

youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ

If i had freedom and power to do it i'd just pack every muslim living in Europe shorter than 2 generations onto a ship and dump them in Africa, they'd be at home in this warring dump.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
10 Aug 2009 /  #41
It doesnt matter if someone tried to convert me specifically, what matter is that its common to forcefully convert people in UK.

link, prove it to me.

Poles assimilate well and without major issues, Muslims do not

riight

i never doubted that there are decent hard working Muslims

how nice of you to say that. What prompted you ?

Muslims repeatedly proven to be completely alien and hostile to the "Western" civilization, those are not freak incidents but a norm for them.

so stay away from them. Problem solved. I see Muslim every day and I have a different experience. I don't socialize with them very often but when I do, I have no problem.

i'm a lot better than many muslims and so are my countrymen.

so is this what it is all about? You are better. If you are better, not different ( I look at myself as different from Muslims because of different culture I come from) then you need to compare yourself to other people. This is the only way you would look better. Pretty sad for me because I have a different way of looking at life.

It is my concern, Poland is muslim free and thats a good time to raise awareness and not let "political correctness" blind our people into letting

My dear Sokrates, Poland has many local problems to deal with at the moment I hate to see such an intelligence going to waste on issues which don't exist in Poland. I cannot understand that.

If there was nothing to fear i wouldnt have reason to fear.

well, if you want to live in fear, I cannot stop you. That is not how I live.

If i had freedom and power to do it i'd just pack every muslim living in Europe shorter than 2 generations onto a ship and dump them in Africa, they'd be at home in this warring dump.

But you don't and I am not sure why would you want to do the job if many failed.

I don't see Muslim countries as a dump, but that is another story all together. Have you ever been to Muslim country yourself? I have never been, so I simply have no opinion. I have met a lot of Muslims where I live and I had NO problems.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
10 Aug 2009 /  #42
link, prove it to me.

Be my guest.

liveleak.com/view?i=d1d_1225026665
independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-gangs-force-inmates-to-convert-957153.html
militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1319

There's dozens of articles, its common in Sweden too.

riight

I asked you a question, can you come up with a single instance of Polish religious riot in UK? Could you find a single crime which a Pole commited on a UK citizen on principle of said citizen not being Polish?

How many thousand cases of Muslims commiting atrocities are there? How many cases of Poles? A dozen? Go search the web see if you can find something.

so stay away from them. Problem solved.

No its not, avoiding a problem is not a solution, what we're seeing is basically a war of the worlds, two cultures that cannot co-exist, we should be repressing muslim expantion with all possible means.

so is this what it is all about? You are better. If you are better, not different

Another bunch of liberal bollocks, i'm definitely better than a bunch of religious fascists, rapists and fanatics and so is the rest of Poland and "native" Brits, Swedes and Europeans in general.

Freedom of speech, religious tolerance, equal rights, thats our European heritage how dare you even attempt to say its equal to dark ages fanaticism of Muslims, spitting on your own house much?

I don't see Muslim countries as a dump,

No, heavens of equality respect and tolerance they are, and to show off how respectfull they are they hang raped girls in, stone women for infidelity and close down radios because there was a discussion about sex.

Let me rephrase that, muslim countries are uncivilized barbaric hellholes in which agressive barbarians breed in muck and prejudice only to come to our old Europe and try to enforce their backwardness upon us using all the fruits of our labor at the same time.
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
10 Aug 2009 /  #43
after ludovic obraniak another frog wants to play in polish NT. hes about to get polish passport:

Poland soccer player

Damien Perquis

Obraniak, Poland

Ludovic Obraniak
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
10 Aug 2009 /  #44
depends of the size.

No, not really. Have you even ever been?

You sound like a hypocrite to me. Poland was never tolerant towards any minorities the way Western countries are trying to be.

I recommend you read some history books before you go talking out your arse in public, especially in a place where a disproportionally large percent of the populace will immediately recognize you as doing so.

You still manage to lead Germany, France and Austria in racist crime tho!

Lead Germany? Please do show.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
10 Aug 2009 /  #45
I recommend you read some history books before you go talking out your arse in public, especially in a place where a disproportionally large percent of the populace will immediately recognize you as doing so.

I would recommend you do the same. But this time pick something better than Polish "historical" books decorating non-existant religious or ethnic tolerance in Commonwealth. These stories you may tell only to Poles (they are majority here, you are correct about that), but to other people be kind not to sell these fairy-tales about "saint and tolerant" Poland. That's simply BS.
Ironside 51 | 11,337  
10 Aug 2009 /  #46
would

You alive and kicking is the best prove of tolerant Poland.
Such fascist like yourself are insolently taking advantage of our tolerance !
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
10 Aug 2009 /  #47
You wish to be able to say for a second that Nathan was tolerated by you. Haha. And even that is impossible :)

French and Poles: if you please.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
11 Aug 2009 /  #48
I have read enough of books, so thank you for the recommendation. It is nice to know that somebody is concerned about my knowledge instead of showing it down my throat. After all you are too intelligent for that, aren't you? But still arrogant. I lived in Poland and I know from my own experience and I know how minorities were treated. I have also lived in the West and I know very well how the countries organize themselves around letting other minorities fit in and thrive. There is NO comparison. Wester countries have better policies and to make the story short, I feel like dismissing you comment because I will not discuss things with somebody who does not have the maturity to be no-bias, which it very difficult to do and not for everybody.

Besides, it is fun to ruffle some feathers here. Tut , tut......
Sorry to offend your feelings, but I can only speak of what I know, observed and lived. It is better then books. It is a source, primary I think the last time I checked;)

As for French and Poles. Well, there was a time when some Poles would prefer speaking French to Polish. For that reason, there are still some French words being used in Polish.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
11 Aug 2009 /  #49
French and Poles: if you please

Pardon ;)
ragtime27 1 | 146  
11 Aug 2009 /  #50
This sum up French,very worrying,it's in French language,sorry guys who don't understand.


Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
11 Aug 2009 /  #51
I'm sure that the books you read detail the extensive history of advanced tolerance towards minorities, especially Jews, that only ever appeared in Commonwealth lands that now belong to the Ukraine, so I'm not going to bother trying to "sell" anything to you, who probably believe that the numerous Jews heading to Polish lands because of aforementioned tolerance were concentrated in land that once belonged to Kievan Rus.

I'd pull the "the fact that every credible expert disagrees with you on the subject..." line, but I'm sure that your definition of "credible" is probably not quite the same as ours, or the rest of the world's.

I have read enough of books, so thank you for the recommendation.

You have read enough of books? One who makes such a statement could -always- benefit from picking up some more.

It is not a better source then books when one uses words like 'always' and 'never', in any way whatsoever. Whether or not Jews and other minorities are well-treated in Poland, I'd have to ask them, whether or not Poland has for most of her history treated them far better than the West, refer to history books, personal opinion is quite useless here.

*and even if it weren't, mine would still be worth more than yours: you may have lived here, but I still do. And the opinion of a bona-fide Polish Jew is still the absolute best source to reference.

Summary: historically, Poland has near-always treated Jews better than the French. The recent disaster that is Sarkozy does not change that fact.
mvefa 5 | 591  
11 Aug 2009 /  #52
Well it has in the past, no doubt, but what about now?
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
11 Aug 2009 /  #53
No doubt? I dunno... seems that some of us were educated by UPA instructors, and others not educated at all, so it looks like doubt still exists!
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
11 Aug 2009 /  #54
so I'm not going to bother trying to "sell" anything to you

I am not surprised because you have nothing to "sell". Lies, maybe, I won't buy them. Regarding reputable historians - would you mind name a few so I can check them out?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
11 Aug 2009 /  #55
historically, Poland has near-always treated Jews better than the French.

better does not mean well. I gave Jews as an example.
I still find it amusing that you would disregard secondary sources.

Also, never, ever believe in what you think:)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #56
Poland has near-always treated Jews better than the French

Are you sure about that?

I remember seeing a documentary of how Poland was the ONLY country after WW2 that actually had a mass killing of Jews (41 or 42 ppl), based on the declarations of a 9-year old who THOUGHT he had seen a Jew drink the blood of a christian baby.

Everywhere in Europe, actually except the Benelux, Portugal (it was the SPANISH who kicked the Jews out), Northern Italy, London (there were pogroms against Jews in rural Britain) and Scandinavia there have been mass killings of Jews throughout history, but the worst always have been in Eastern Europe with the exception of Hungary and Romania, but those are not Slavic ppls.

The Jews were a seperate group in France, but they were not treated as bad as in Poland or Russia. Nowhere in Europe Jews were integrated into society, except again the Benelux, Portugal, Northern Italy, London and Scandinavia, with the highest extend of integration in Holland and Sweden. Unfortunately, when the Nazis invaded Holland, it was this very integration that made it easy for them to pick out the Jews and that is also why Holland relatively has the highest number of Jewish victims during WW2. I say relatively because we had a far less big population of Jews than Poland, for example. But of the 300.000 we had, 210.000 would get killed. The Nazis just had to go to the town hall and pick out the addresses as Jews were considered normal citizens, unlike nearly all the other countries in Europe.

But still I am glad that I am from a country which is so advanced that minority groups like the Jews (like myself) could so fully and completely integrate into society.

Pls, see also my older posts concerning this subject.

M-G (does not know the "us-against-them" mentality)

PS. Pls note that all the areas which have had fully integrated minorities throughout the ages, always have been the richest of Europe: London, the Low Countries (Netherlands) and Northern Italy. Maybe integration, acceptance and tolerance is smarter than rejection?
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
11 Aug 2009 /  #57
better does not mean well. I gave Jews as an example.

Actually, "well" is a relative term, so better does mean well. And I have no idea what that second part of your post's supposed to mean, consequently why I should listen to it.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, I am sure about that. You are wrong in what you say for most of your post.

Regarding reputable historians - would you mind name a few so I can check them out?

Sorry, can't think of any that are ex-UPA for you.
mvefa 5 | 591  
11 Aug 2009 /  #58
Maybe integration, acceptance and tolerance is smarter than rejection?

It is actually, a country fighting itself, its a country destined to failure.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
11 Aug 2009 /  #59
You are wrong in what you say for most of your post

Hm, maybe all my professors in University were wrong then? And maybe all the documention and literature is wrong and you are the only in this whole world that is right on this point?

M-G (check your literature and then return with feasible statements)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
11 Aug 2009 /  #60
It is actually, a country fighting itself, its a country destined to failure.

Correct!

A country which due to many foreign influences starts to fight with itself is destined to failure.
A danger which is minimized the more homogenous a country is.

The worst catastrophes during the last century were to a big part ethnical tensions...countrys made up artificially of people who hate each others guts.

Civil wars, uprisings, rebellions, "strong" men needed to keep it all together, dictatorships...tensions with other countries who have connections with one or the other minority...the history is full of that.

Even today...go to the worst conflicts in Africa and elsewhere and when you dig you will find ethnical tensions at the core!

It is only in a multikultural paradise where several minorities can lead together the same country peacefully...the truth and history points otherwise.
Especially if faced with an agressive, growing minority unrest and tensions with the majority are expectable...the country starts to tear itself apart.

M-G (does not know the "us-against-them" mentality)

Well..that might be because you stem from the "them" tribe"? At least the "Them" here in Europe?

Observer can see similiar behaviour in Israel against the Arabs. This time it's "Us-Jews" against "Them-Arabs".
Remember the Kindergarten-case several months back in Israel? Where the mothers of a Kindergarten demanded the little arab girl taken out since they don't want to have their pure jewish kids getting dirty from playing with the arab?

Sounds familiar somehow?

The "Us against Them" thinking is a totally natural human behaviour!
(To try to take it out of the people or to ignore it will be as successfull for the MultiKultis as it was for the Commies with their vision of the perfect human fitting to their ideology)

But still I am glad that I am from a country which is so advanced that minority groups like the Jews (like myself) could so fully and completely integrate into society.

You are naive!
You don't really believe the foreigners will ever be fully integrated or even plan to, don't you?
Where do you think the growing support for the rightists in the Netherland comes from?
Geert Wilders anybody???

Every country and every people has it's limits as to how many assertive foreigners it can accept!
These limits are different from country to people, depending on mentality and character..but they exist.

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