French and Poles

Thats a communist heritage, notice i dont play racial purity games its just that muslims and to the lesser degree asians and blacks created challenges that no host country could meet, i dont want to have ethnic slums and religious crimes here, you can walk through most poor neighbourhoods without fear in Poland, can you do the same in London?


what do you want statistics on? Religious or cultural/ethnic based crimes? Poland is like 95% or more Polish, ofc the crime rate on these will be lower, also muslims never ever assimilated, i dont want some monkey screaming how women should cover their faces or some idiot mullah preaching hate against my countrymen because we dont want to adhere to their barbaric standards.

Also statistics mean nothing given how UK police ignores crimes by minorities. But still how much crap Brit authorities ignore?

depends of the size. If it is the size of London then you might have a point. If not then you don't:).


yes, you do. You sound like a hypocrite to me. Poland was never tolerant towards any minorities the way Western countries are trying to be. West and Poland have different situation when it comes to minorities, that is all at the moment. Most Muslims are not attracted to Poland anyways, so the threat is an imaginary one at the moment.

MY OPINION ONLY;0

Sorry i'm not playing political corectness either, mulims have proven to be inferior through their barbaric culture, i refuse to tolerate immigrants who deny basic rights to women and children and follow a fascist cult.


Poland was the most tolerant country for more than half a millenium, Jews, Protestants etc, if you were persecuted elsewhere you found heaven in Poland, read up about the Commonwealth.


And i'm very very glad they do.


Thank God for that.


No its not, Poland just proven it has the strongest most flexible economy in Europe and it grows, once we reach the welfare stage all the Pakis will try to come here as well, they're like locust going from place to place trying to enforce their way or life along the way.

Why dont you see Poles beating up Brits or trying to convert them to Catholicism? Why only muslims create such issues? Oh wait i forgot we're all equal and peachy and occasional honor murders are just accidents.

Give it ten years.

You still manage to lead Germany, France and Austria in racist crime tho!

a little like Polish immigration, Polish diaspora- don't you think?


why would anybody try to convert Christian to Christianity. Besides, Poles are not good in converting other faiths. They have never been successful with Jews mind you:).


don't ask me, ask the Muslim people, although I have a feeling that you are blowing it out of proportion. Have any Muslim ever try to convert you?


so called honor killings are mostly done within their own community. Unless I don't know the facts.

You are deluded beyond belief.

And that makes them acceptable? Bollocks!


Google muslim convertion gangs.


No i dont, Poles are not a major security issue in any country, we work hard well and cheap, those of us that stay for good assimilate completely and our customs and traditions are never in contradiction to the western states.

Ever seen a Polish ethnic riot? Ever got beaten up by Polish diaspora for not being Polish or Catholic?

I have nothing against white western emigration or to a lesser extent that of eastern Europeans but i will always oppose free flow of colored minorities and muslims, the West has failed with its assimilation policies so why should we follow them?


Jews were welcomed in Poland for centuries, they alienated themselves by creating enclaves (Ghettos).

did I ever said it was? What the fek is your problem? You are in Poland, so you are safe. Stop spreading the fear. I asked you if anyone has ever tried to convert you to Muslim religion.


yah, I did. Relates mainly to prison and gang culture. Were you/are you part of that culture?


well, that is nice, don't you think, trying to compare Polish to another culture without absolute lack of understanding on your part. So according to you every Muslim tires to covert other religions and every Pole is an angel, hard working, intelligent, tolerant, educated, open, peaceful- simply somebody who should be an example to all nations. I tend to disagree. LOL. You are a Pole and you are so pushy with your believes that you are no better then the people (Muslim here, another day can be somebody else) you are attacking.


that is not your concern unless you live in one of those countries (hosting other minorities). There are hardly any Muslim in Poland so why don't you stop spreading fear? He?


I was not talking about that. I was talking of Poles trying to convert Jews. It did not work.

It doesnt matter if someone tried to convert me specifically, what matter is that its common to forcefully convert people in UK.


Whats there to understand? Poles assimilate well and without major issues, Muslims do not.


No but many do and unless we can establish a mechanism that allows us to differentiate among muslim elements as to which are safe and which are not it is in our national interest not to let them in at all.


Of course not but Polish diaspora does not generate any cultural, religous or ethnical issues, Muslim communities do, i never doubted that there are decent hard working Muslims but given how many of them are backwards barbarians it is dangerous and erroneous to treat muslim society as a civilized equal.

Muslims repeatedly proven to be completely alien and hostile to the "Western" civilization, those are not freak incidents but a norm for them.


Unlike some muslims i may not like what you're saying but i will defend your right to say it, i would never dream of telling your woman what to wear or impress my beliefs upon you under pain of violence so i daresay i'm a lot better than many muslims and so are my countrymen.


It is my concern, Poland is muslim free and thats a good time to raise awareness and not let "political correctness" blind our people into letting these cavemen into Poland in the future.


If there was nothing to fear i wouldnt have reason to fear.

Muslims contributing to their British hosts:

youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ

If i had freedom and power to do it i'd just pack every muslim living in Europe shorter than 2 generations onto a ship and dump them in Africa, they'd be at home in this warring dump.

link, prove it to me.


riight


how nice of you to say that. What prompted you ?


so stay away from them. Problem solved. I see Muslim every day and I have a different experience. I don't socialize with them very often but when I do, I have no problem.


so is this what it is all about? You are better. If you are better, not different ( I look at myself as different from Muslims because of different culture I come from) then you need to compare yourself to other people. This is the only way you would look better. Pretty sad for me because I have a different way of looking at life.


My dear Sokrates, Poland has many local problems to deal with at the moment I hate to see such an intelligence going to waste on issues which don't exist in Poland. I cannot understand that.


well, if you want to live in fear, I cannot stop you. That is not how I live.


But you don't and I am not sure why would you want to do the job if many failed.

I don't see Muslim countries as a dump, but that is another story all together. Have you ever been to Muslim country yourself? I have never been, so I simply have no opinion. I have met a lot of Muslims where I live and I had NO problems.

Be my guest.

liveleak.com/view?i=d1d_1225026665
independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-gangs-force-inmates-to-convert-957153.html
militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1319

There's dozens of articles, its common in Sweden too.


I asked you a question, can you come up with a single instance of Polish religious riot in UK? Could you find a single crime which a Pole commited on a UK citizen on principle of said citizen not being Polish?

How many thousand cases of Muslims commiting atrocities are there? How many cases of Poles? A dozen? Go search the web see if you can find something.


No its not, avoiding a problem is not a solution, what we're seeing is basically a war of the worlds, two cultures that cannot co-exist, we should be repressing muslim expantion with all possible means.


Another bunch of liberal bollocks, i'm definitely better than a bunch of religious fascists, rapists and fanatics and so is the rest of Poland and "native" Brits, Swedes and Europeans in general.

Freedom of speech, religious tolerance, equal rights, thats our European heritage how dare you even attempt to say its equal to dark ages fanaticism of Muslims, spitting on your own house much?


No, heavens of equality respect and tolerance they are, and to show off how respectfull they are they hang raped girls in, stone women for infidelity and close down radios because there was a discussion about sex.

Let me rephrase that, muslim countries are uncivilized barbaric hellholes in which agressive barbarians breed in muck and prejudice only to come to our old Europe and try to enforce their backwardness upon us using all the fruits of our labor at the same time.

after ludovic obraniak another frog wants to play in polish NT. hes about to get polish passport:

Poland soccer player

Damien Perquis

Obraniak, Poland

Ludovic Obraniak

No, not really. Have you even ever been?


I recommend you read some history books before you go talking out your arse in public, especially in a place where a disproportionally large percent of the populace will immediately recognize you as doing so.


Lead Germany? Please do show.

I would recommend you do the same. But this time pick something better than Polish "historical" books decorating non-existant religious or ethnic tolerance in Commonwealth. These stories you may tell only to Poles (they are majority here, you are correct about that), but to other people be kind not to sell these fairy-tales about "saint and tolerant" Poland. That's simply BS.

You alive and kicking is the best prove of tolerant Poland.
Such fascist like yourself are insolently taking advantage of our tolerance !

You wish to be able to say for a second that Nathan was tolerated by you. Haha. And even that is impossible :)

French and Poles: if you please.

I have read enough of books, so thank you for the recommendation. It is nice to know that somebody is concerned about my knowledge instead of showing it down my throat. After all you are too intelligent for that, aren't you? But still arrogant. I lived in Poland and I know from my own experience and I know how minorities were treated. I have also lived in the West and I know very well how the countries organize themselves around letting other minorities fit in and thrive. There is NO comparison. Wester countries have better policies and to make the story short, I feel like dismissing you comment because I will not discuss things with somebody who does not have the maturity to be no-bias, which it very difficult to do and not for everybody.

Besides, it is fun to ruffle some feathers here. Tut , tut......
Sorry to offend your feelings, but I can only speak of what I know, observed and lived. It is better then books. It is a source, primary I think the last time I checked;)

As for French and Poles. Well, there was a time when some Poles would prefer speaking French to Polish. For that reason, there are still some French words being used in Polish.

Pardon ;)

This sum up French,very worrying,it's in French language,sorry guys who don't understand.

I'm sure that the books you read detail the extensive history of advanced tolerance towards minorities, especially Jews, that only ever appeared in Commonwealth lands that now belong to the Ukraine, so I'm not going to bother trying to "sell" anything to you, who probably believe that the numerous Jews heading to Polish lands because of aforementioned tolerance were concentrated in land that once belonged to Kievan Rus.

I'd pull the "the fact that every credible expert disagrees with you on the subject..." line, but I'm sure that your definition of "credible" is probably not quite the same as ours, or the rest of the world's.


You have read enough of books? One who makes such a statement could -always- benefit from picking up some more.

It is not a better source then books when one uses words like 'always' and 'never', in any way whatsoever. Whether or not Jews and other minorities are well-treated in Poland, I'd have to ask them, whether or not Poland has for most of her history treated them far better than the West, refer to history books, personal opinion is quite useless here.

*and even if it weren't, mine would still be worth more than yours: you may have lived here, but I still do. And the opinion of a bona-fide Polish Jew is still the absolute best source to reference.

Summary: historically, Poland has near-always treated Jews better than the French. The recent disaster that is Sarkozy does not change that fact.

Well it has in the past, no doubt, but what about now?

No doubt? I dunno... seems that some of us were educated by UPA instructors, and others not educated at all, so it looks like doubt still exists!

I am not surprised because you have nothing to "sell". Lies, maybe, I won't buy them. Regarding reputable historians - would you mind name a few so I can check them out?

better does not mean well. I gave Jews as an example.
I still find it amusing that you would disregard secondary sources.

Also, never, ever believe in what you think:)

Are you sure about that?

I remember seeing a documentary of how Poland was the ONLY country after WW2 that actually had a mass killing of Jews (41 or 42 ppl), based on the declarations of a 9-year old who THOUGHT he had seen a Jew drink the blood of a christian baby.

Everywhere in Europe, actually except the Benelux, Portugal (it was the SPANISH who kicked the Jews out), Northern Italy, London (there were pogroms against Jews in rural Britain) and Scandinavia there have been mass killings of Jews throughout history, but the worst always have been in Eastern Europe with the exception of Hungary and Romania, but those are not Slavic ppls.

The Jews were a seperate group in France, but they were not treated as bad as in Poland or Russia. Nowhere in Europe Jews were integrated into society, except again the Benelux, Portugal, Northern Italy, London and Scandinavia, with the highest extend of integration in Holland and Sweden. Unfortunately, when the Nazis invaded Holland, it was this very integration that made it easy for them to pick out the Jews and that is also why Holland relatively has the highest number of Jewish victims during WW2. I say relatively because we had a far less big population of Jews than Poland, for example. But of the 300.000 we had, 210.000 would get killed. The Nazis just had to go to the town hall and pick out the addresses as Jews were considered normal citizens, unlike nearly all the other countries in Europe.

But still I am glad that I am from a country which is so advanced that minority groups like the Jews (like myself) could so fully and completely integrate into society.

Pls, see also my older posts concerning this subject.

M-G (does not know the "us-against-them" mentality)

PS. Pls note that all the areas which have had fully integrated minorities throughout the ages, always have been the richest of Europe: London, the Low Countries (Netherlands) and Northern Italy. Maybe integration, acceptance and tolerance is smarter than rejection?

Actually, "well" is a relative term, so better does mean well. And I have no idea what that second part of your post's supposed to mean, consequently why I should listen to it.


Yes, I am sure about that. You are wrong in what you say for most of your post.


Sorry, can't think of any that are ex-UPA for you.

It is actually, a country fighting itself, its a country destined to failure.

Hm, maybe all my professors in University were wrong then? And maybe all the documention and literature is wrong and you are the only in this whole world that is right on this point?

M-G (check your literature and then return with feasible statements)

Correct!

A country which due to many foreign influences starts to fight with itself is destined to failure.
A danger which is minimized the more homogenous a country is.

The worst catastrophes during the last century were to a big part ethnical tensions...countrys made up artificially of people who hate each others guts.

Civil wars, uprisings, rebellions, "strong" men needed to keep it all together, dictatorships...tensions with other countries who have connections with one or the other minority...the history is full of that.

Even today...go to the worst conflicts in Africa and elsewhere and when you dig you will find ethnical tensions at the core!

It is only in a multikultural paradise where several minorities can lead together the same country peacefully...the truth and history points otherwise.
Especially if faced with an agressive, growing minority unrest and tensions with the majority are expectable...the country starts to tear itself apart.


Well..that might be because you stem from the "them" tribe"? At least the "Them" here in Europe?

Observer can see similiar behaviour in Israel against the Arabs. This time it's "Us-Jews" against "Them-Arabs".
Remember the Kindergarten-case several months back in Israel? Where the mothers of a Kindergarten demanded the little arab girl taken out since they don't want to have their pure jewish kids getting dirty from playing with the arab?

Sounds familiar somehow?

The "Us against Them" thinking is a totally natural human behaviour!
(To try to take it out of the people or to ignore it will be as successfull for the MultiKultis as it was for the Commies with their vision of the perfect human fitting to their ideology)


You are naive!
You don't really believe the foreigners will ever be fully integrated or even plan to, don't you?
Where do you think the growing support for the rightists in the Netherland comes from?
Geert Wilders anybody???

Every country and every people has it's limits as to how many assertive foreigners it can accept!
These limits are different from country to people, depending on mentality and character..but they exist.