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Apology to Russians for Osetia and American missile base


JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #1
I am truly ashamed of my puppet government and a kartofel president that is obviously out of his mind. Majority of Poles DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN MISSLE BASE IN THEIR COUNTRY. We are also far away from judging who is responsible for a military conflict in Osetia. The current Polish government is used by Americans to destabilize our region without giving any regard to native poles that live in this country. A common Pole does not view America as a friendly nation. A common American in return cant show Poland on the map of the world. Sad part is the common citizen will later pay for its irresponsible government.
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
28 Aug 2008 /  #2
Majority of Poles DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN MISSLE BASE IN THEIR COUNTRY. We are also far away from judging who is responsible for a military conflict in Osetia.

bulshit. as the voice of the whole nation I must say that majority of Poles are enthusiastic about the shield and blame russia for the caucasian conflict :)
ArcticPaul 38 | 233  
28 Aug 2008 /  #3
American military spending, on it's missile shield, is a major employer in Słupsk. An area that is deprived.

Poles owe Russia nothing! But Russians owe Poles a great deal!
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #4
bulshit. as the voice of the whole nation I must say that majority of Poles are enthusiastic about the shield and blame russia for the caucasian conflict :)

Very true:). But when I watch president kartofel flying over to Georgia (in a Russian made plane) to take a place in some kind of supporting march... It makes me wonder about his sanity. And now another Pis imbecile is creating a list of Russia's weaknesses?

Russians are our neighbors - we have to live with them, so lest start concentrating how can we benefit from it instead of serving the destabilization tool for the empire in which an average men cant show Poland on the world map.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
28 Aug 2008 /  #5
serving the destabilization tool for the empire in which an average men cant show Poland on the world map.

Where I live we can show you were Poland is on a map. I find your trying to insult the education of US rather odd. It was Russia that was in Georgia for "peace" and their behavior that threatens Europe.
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #6
American military spending, on it's missile shield, is a major employer in Słupsk. An area that is deprived.

Poles owe Russia nothing! But Russians owe Poles a great deal!

What about all those businesses that were exporting products to Russia? I thinks it’s vast more than few people that will be used for a hole diggers. Besides do you remember how the F-16 "deal" offset went? They were supposed to create jobs left and right, instead a couple of American companies bought major Polish aircraft manufactures just to turn them into helicopter hinge manufacturer. Poles owe Americans nothing!

They cant even visit USA without going trough humiliating process of visa awarding.

I find your trying to insult the education of US rather odd

Not trying to insult the education in US. Just pointing a fact that nation that knows or cares so little about Poland cannot be friendly or supportive.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
28 Aug 2008 /  #7
Just pointing a fact that nation that knows or cares so little about Poland cannot be friendly or supportive.

You are speaking for a nation and why off track. If you choose to apologize for yourself be my guest, just do not do so for a nation that many feel USA is doing the right thing.

And yes, more than you see knows and cares alot for Poland and her people.
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
28 Aug 2008 /  #8
But when I watch president kartofel flying over to Georgia (in a Russian made plane)

russian hipocrits say they don't like the western world and it's values but they are driving german cars, spending holidays on spanish riviera, sending kids to french schools and american universities, shopping in london ...

Russians are our neighbors - we have to live with them

so you want us to accept every sh!t russia does just because they are our big neighbour?
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #9
And yes, more than you see knows and cares alot for Poland and her people.

-I dare you to approach the first Spanish or black you see on the street and to ask him to show you Poland on the map. In the near future Spanish will become majority of the population in the USA. I witness almost daily the mistreatment of Polish turists/immigrans at the US airports, by some cretin immigration agents who can barely speak proper english and the only reason they found their jobs themselves was something called the affirmative action. Living and working in US for 17+ I know for a fact that we have no friends here - other than maybe people like you: who have some Polish roots. Sorry my friend but read a little facts about Osetia - Russians had a every right to take a military intervention there. And knowing that Bush knows no difference between Slovenia and Slovakia, I doubt he should be saying anything about this conflict.

so you want us to accept everything sh!t russia does just because they are our big neighbour?

So do you accept everything that US tells you? On your knees? Remember Yalta?
Remember how easly Roosevelt sold you? He still is portrayed in Us as something next to God himself. Trust no one and if you can count: conut only for yourself
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
28 Aug 2008 /  #10
I am truly ashamed of my puppet government and a kartofel president that is obviously out of his mind. Majority of Poles DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN MISSLE BASE IN THEIR COUNTRY. We are also far away from judging who is responsible for a military conflict in Osetia. The current Polish government is used by Americans to destabilize our region without giving any regard to native poles that live in this country. A common Pole does not view America as a friendly nation. A common American in return cant show Poland on the map of the world. Sad part is the common citizen will later pay for its irresponsible government.

Juliet, no appologies and thank you for your soberness and kindness!

as the voice of the whole nation

Thankfully you're not, otherwise Poland would be already wiped off the face of the Earth.

I find your trying to insult the education of US rather odd

It's odd only for those who have never been to the US. Btw you're a visual evidence for that.

You are speaking for a nation and why off track.

Why not to tell that to Mr. McCoy. I see... double standards...
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
28 Aug 2008 /  #11
Thankfully you're not, otherwise Poland would be already wiped off the face of the Earth.

russians - big words, small minds
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
28 Aug 2008 /  #12
Majority of Poles DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN MISSLE BASE IN THEIR COUNTRY.

Was there a national poll?
Can you provide links?
ski 7 | 140  
28 Aug 2008 /  #13
Nearly 60 percent . Poles believe the decision to install a missile defense shield in us for good and very good . Only 37 percent . respondents assess this decision wrong and very bad - according to a survey by GfK Polonia for " Rzeczpospolita" .

We have seen not only the benefits of the shield . More than half ( 55 percent . ) Believes that after installation should allow the stationing of troops in our country, the American army . At the same time , still a lot of people because 41 per cent . , Says Army USA firm "no" - tells the newspaper .


60 % want this shield, 37% is against
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #14
Can you provide links?

66 % of adult residents of Slupsk and county Slupsk critical of the decision to locate in Redzikowo elements of the American missile defense system - according to a survey PBS DGA .

Compared with PBS DGA survey of 17 March. number of opponents of the location of the missile near Slupsk increased by almost 7 percentage points . rates. Then the question " whether you support / and building missile base in Redzikowo ? " - " Definitely not " and " probably not " answered 59.7 % of respondents.

We do not want a shield!

Protest against anti-missile shield in Poland

Among the staunch opponents base k . Slupsk are more women ( 49.3 % ) than men ( 44.9 %). Most negative reviews of the installation location utter those over 60 years of age ( 52.4 %) and in the group of 25-39 years ( 49.3 %). Most strong opponents in the group of people with higher education ( 52.1 % ) and medium (49.2 %).


Need more?

Was there a national poll?

If there was a poll....again "democracy" at work.
ski 7 | 140  
28 Aug 2008 /  #15
why do you show polls from march not current one ?
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #16
That data is clearly manipulated. There should be the National Poll official and reliable.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
28 Aug 2008 /  #17
Need more?

If they are of the same mediocre quality then save your time and mine for something better.

1. There was no referendum. I asked whether there was one.

2. The links are hilarious. They prove either nothing, or the opposite. When GW interviews 500 people and presents the results as representative that means they have no idea about statistics. The sample is simply too small.
ski 7 | 140  
28 Aug 2008 /  #18
That data is clearly manipulated. There should be the National Poll official and reliable.

Of course old polls from march were not manipulated and new one are manipulated ...
celinski 31 | 1,258  
28 Aug 2008 /  #19
celinski:
"Russians are our neighbors - we have to live with them"?

so you want us to accept every sh!t russia does just because they are our big neighbour?

I did not say this in fact it's bs.

I dare you to approach the first Spanish or black you see on the street and to ask him to show you Poland on the map.

USA is not just Spanish and Blacks and the ones born here I know are educated and caring people.

Btw you're a visual evidence for that

And you an as*.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
28 Aug 2008 /  #20
And you an as*.

chmok :*
I love you too :)
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #21
Of course old polls from march were not manipulated and new one are manipulated ...

No. My point is they are both manipulated. So there should an official one. Majority of the people I know are against it.

USA is not just Spanish and Blacks and the ones born here I know are educated and caring people.

.So was Roosevelt and I’m not claiming they are not. My simple point is that they are far away they come from much different cultures and vast majority of them has a hidden antipathy towards white people; so when the conflict strikes they have absolutely no reason to go to war for our country unless we of course sitting on oil like Iraq, but that is not the case.
Ryszard - | 89  
28 Aug 2008 /  #22
I am truly ashamed of my puppet government and a kartofel president that is obviously out of his mind

And I'm truly ashamed of living in the same country with such obvious "useful idiots" like you.
The fact is, our current government did the best deal with missile shield it could. If I may remind you, the previous gov lead by one of your "favourites" brothers wanted to sign the deal as a given, on their knees - that is without any Patriot defence and special guarantees.

The timing we have signed the deal was absolutely perfect. We can only imagine what would happen if we've signed the deal and Russia wouldn't have her hands moisten in Georgian blood. The threats we can hear now is mere howling of wounded dog, because Russia now has other problems than shield on her head.

Finally, being farthest from fan of our current president, his action during the Russian-Georgia conflict was the best ones since he was elected. In fact I felt we had a polish (not PiS'ish) president for the first time of his presidency... the other thing is he swiftly managed to destroy the hope for his better image at the signing missile shield deal ceremony in Warsaw.
OP JulietEcho 3 | 100  
28 Aug 2008 /  #23
And I'm truly ashamed of living in the same country with such obvious "useful idiots" like you.

Idiot is a one that thinks someone else will be protecting his interests free of charge. Idiot is the one thinking that one battalion of patriot missiles will protect his country from Soviet attack....They will take over Poland in one week with the use of contemporary tanks and air force and then idiots like you will have another holiday of a great retreat and ass whopping (such as Warsaw’s uprising) crying that nobody helped them, 50 years later. Look at the Finish or Swedes; they don’t stick their noses anywhere.
Ryszard - | 89  
28 Aug 2008 /  #24
Look at the Finish

Tow. JulietEcho, so better ask these Finnish idiots how did it end for them with their non-sticking noses policy in 1939. Ah, don't tell me, I know - they were very happy not to finish as another Soviet Republic... unlike their Baltic brothers.
Dice 15 | 452  
28 Aug 2008 /  #25
I know nothing about Polish politics; nevertheless I have to say I am extremely glad that Obama and Baiden had promised to cut founding for the missile defense system. Not that I don't wish Polish People to feel safe, it's just I don't think that American taxpayers should have to pay for the defense of Poland or any other country except of the U.S. of A. Don't get me wrong; I hope that Europe is secure and safe, but not for my money. It's Europe's defense, let it be Europe's expense.

Not to mention that after we'll spend an ungodly amount of money on somebody else's defense all will ever get in return is more hatred and envy from the very people we're spending my tax money on.
Ryszard - | 89  
28 Aug 2008 /  #26
Dice, I understand you but remember - those who hate you are the loudest one

On the other hand, your current government had done everything to make USA unpopular, in Poland too
King Sobieski 2 | 716  
28 Aug 2008 /  #27
A common American in return cant show Poland on the map of the world.

a common american couldnt show many countries on the map of the world!!!
loco polaco 3 | 353  
28 Aug 2008 /  #28
Sorry my friend but read a little facts about Osetia - Russians had a every right to take a military intervention there.

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ALL WITH THIS ONE.

That data is clearly manipulated.

THANK THOSE DAMNED RUSSIANS FOR THAT. POLES WERE AGAINST THE SHIELD UNTIL RUSSIA DECIDED TO LEVEL GEORGIA.

Not that I don't wish Polish People to feel safe, it's just I don't think that American taxpayers should have to pay for the defense of Poland or any other country except of the U.S. of A. Don't get me wrong; I hope that Europe is secure and safe, but not for my money. It's Europe's defense, let it be Europe's expense.

THIS SHIOELD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAN OR EU
WayOutWest - | 6  
28 Aug 2008 /  #29
Tow. JulietEcho, so better ask these Finnish idiots how did it end for them with their non-sticking noses policy in 1939. Ah, don't tell me, I know - they were very happy not to finish as another Soviet Republic... unlike their Baltic brothers.

Yes Richard and you remind us of how massively we have won! thanks of course to our non betraying allies: Americans and the Brits....
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
30 Aug 2008 /  #30
-I dare you to approach the first Spanish or black you see on the street and to ask him to show you Poland on the map. In the near future Spanish will become majority of the population in the USA. I witness almost daily the mistreatment of Polish turists/immigrans at the US airports, by some cretin immigration agents who can barely speak proper english and the only reason they found their jobs themselves was something called the affirmative action.

Listen, Juliet, the first part of your post struck a note with me (funny, but not funny)...I work in an insurance office where we have a huge map of the world papered on one wall...Our clientele are primarily Black...One of our customers came in, and searched the map intensely for about 10 minutes...he was looking in the area of Central Asia, mostly...then, he asked me, 'Do you know where Iowa is?'...I said, 'Uh, you are looking in the wrong part of the globe...Iowa is right here in the United States!'...then I showed him...He was astounded, and said 'Wow, I didn't know that...Thanks'...He was completely serious...I am constantly astounded at the ignorance of Americans about almost any subject, and, in my more 'down' moments, I am frightened....these people think that 'Poles' are something that telephone wires hang from.

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