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America: Take your missile base and shove it!


missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #1
Poles have no quarrel with Iran, so let some other country that does, like Israel host this missile base.
Poland doesn't need to be told what to do by Neocons like Sikorski and Con Rice who want a never ending war with Iran.
eagle - | 29  
11 Jul 2008 /  #2
Spot on.bloody warmongers
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Jul 2008 /  #3
it's not about iran. pl should get the bases.
OP missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #4
Not about Iran? Who do you think is war mongering with Iran? The Neocons of course. They want a never ending war for the American military industrial complex.
Wahldo  
11 Jul 2008 /  #5
The only people on here who usually favor the base are Polish Americans.. actual Poles don't seem all that jazzed about the idea.. neither do the Czechs, Slovaks, etc.. You know people who will be living around the thing?

Sometimes no actually means no. America needs to give up the concept of savior to the masses.

It's over.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Jul 2008 /  #6
no, it's not about iran. look at the broader picture.

btw. i am not an american.
OP missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #7
The broader picture is foreign troops occupying this base in Poland!!! A big target for every terrorist in the world. Missile bases don't work because they've never been tested!!!
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Jul 2008 /  #8
i'm cool with you being naive but don't drag the whole country down, ok?
Wahldo  
11 Jul 2008 /  #9
the whole country down

which one? you're bringing both of them down.
OP missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #10
Give me an example of being naive. You can't even make an argument.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
11 Jul 2008 /  #11
which one? you're bringing both of them down.

how's that?

Give me an example of being naive.

it's completely naive to think these anti-missile systems are against Iran. if they were against iran, they would be in the ME not in PL.. ok, that should be enough of a clue for you to figure the rest out.
Wahldo  
11 Jul 2008 /  #12
how's that?

1. You're proposing more American meddling.

2. The bases antagonize the Russians: something neither the US or Poland needs.
OP missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #13
So you think this missile base is against Russian missiles? Russians are Poland's slavic brothers. I don't have a problem with them. We need friendly relations with Russia not unfriendly like those by the midget Kaczynski brothers.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
11 Jul 2008 /  #14
Putin would be a good Polish president because he unlike Kaczynski is not a puppet of America. Poland needs a president who is a non midget.

So first you wanted to appoint Piotr Nowak for our national football team coach, now Putin for president, what next?
Your concern for Poland is nice, but your intentions are unclear for me :)
Wahldo  
11 Jul 2008 /  #15
Piotr Nowak

speaking of "non-tested".
OP missewa 3 | 20  
11 Jul 2008 /  #16
I feel Poland needs a president like Putin who isn't a puppet for America. The last Polish leader who was a strong leader was Pilsudski. The rest Kwasniewski, Walesa, Kaczynski have all been American boot lickers.

Nowak nontested? He's won 2 msl titles.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
11 Jul 2008 /  #17
Russian President Vladimir Putin's power solidified this week when his supporters won control of the parliament in elections marred by reports of intimidation, fraud and harassment.

yep Id sure want him to rule my country ...

"There was the strange situation that the executive branch almost chose the legislative branch," Kiljunen said. "It is supposed to be the other way round."

eh well guess theres nothing wrong with doing things half arse backwards
if your the president of the country right ;)

pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/july-dec07/putin_12-05.html
JohnP - | 210  
11 Jul 2008 /  #18
Did anyone really think Putin would let go of the reigns so easily, after molding Russia into more and more of a dictatorship with a Soviet flavor the whole time he was (officially) running things? I somehow doubt many are surprised.

As for Russians being "slav brothers" it sure didn't help when Russia and Germany were deciding which part of their "Slav brothers'" country they wanted to keep.

If Poland doesn't want an interceptor base, it is up to Poland, but the decision should be made based on facts and not superstitions and disinformation put out by Russia and elsewhere implying there is somehow an offensive purpose to these, as there is not.

Supposedly they were originally offered with Iran and technology transfers from N Korea etc. in mind, but it is interesting now that Putin is cozy with Iran, he is suddenly vehemently opposed. Why does he care, I ask? Unless he plans already to launch or threaten to launch nuclear weapons against Poland, (which would kind of discount all that "Slav Brother" bit wouldn't it?).

If anyone is really that worried about Americans on a base in Poland, that's all fine and good-at least they won't think they own everyone (sorry but American troops are not rich) and will likely spend all their hard earned money in the local areas anyway. It seems everyone else (and their money) is welcome-so if thousands of British businessmen are welcome, what's wrong with Americans who can't afford to pretend they own everyone?

There are Polish soldiers training in the U.S. too, after all. It isn't as if they would go there unwelcomed, and no one is suggesting an "occupation" so it strikes me as paranoia that some seem to see it that way.

If, after reviewing the actual *facts* about what is and is not on the table, Poland decides it is not in her best interest, then fair enough, it was offered.

Russia is bluffing. America and Russia have had the capability to incinerate each other quite easily for decades, without a single offensive weapon in Europe. Putin just doesn't like the idea that not only Iranian (his new best friend) but his own nuclear missiles, (they recently just tested new ones in fact-Russia AND Iran...) could be shot out of the air, making successful strikes against certain targets impractical if not impossible.

John P.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
12 Jul 2008 /  #19
Give me an example of being naive. You can't even make an argument.

When you are older, wiser and less niave, you will realise that its not all about making arguments

plk123 is right

And I am not in favour of the base either
Borrka 37 | 594  
12 Jul 2008 /  #20
Bubbling about "Slavic brothers" does not make any sense.

First, Russians are not Slavic - they speak Slavonic language only.
(like Celtic Irish speak English language - does it make them Englishmen ?)

Then, their main occupation in the history was oppressing Slavic nations like Poland, Ukraine, Belorussia etc.

Yes for us - base in Poland.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
12 Jul 2008 /  #21
it's not about iran. pl should get the bases.

I agree with you that these bases have absolutely nothing to do with Iranian case. It seems that this is all about Russia. However it also seems that this is all about US security not Polish. Why would Polish state accept such project if Americans offer to us very little instead?

So first you wanted to appoint Piotr Nowak for our national football team coach, now Putin for president, what next?

Football, politics and military issues, every woman know much about these three topics. :))

If Poland doesn't want an interceptor base, it is up to Poland, but the decision should be made based on facts and not superstitions and disinformation put out by Russia and elsewhere implying there is somehow an offensive purpose to these, as there is not.

It would be offensive to claim that American army is afraid of inferior Iranian rockets. Don't you think?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
12 Jul 2008 /  #22
Poles have no quarrel with Iran

But I'm sure Iran doesn't like Poland ...just for being an ally.

Missile bases don't work because they've never been tested!!!

And where do you get this information that they don't work? Have you tested for them?

The only people on here who usually favor the base are Polish Americans..

And the other way around. I've seen quite a few people here that live in the US they're anti- US, but are so nationalistic about PL .....and they don't even live there or haven't for years.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
12 Jul 2008 /  #23
And the other way around. I've seen quite a few people here that live in the US they're anti- US, but are so nationalistic about PL .....and they don't even live there or haven't for years.

noooo. lol

I agree with you that these bases have absolutely nothing to do with Iranian case. It seems that this is all about Russia. However it also seems that this is all about US security not Polish. Why would Polish state accept such project if Americans offer to us very little instead?

ah, i am not for the bases on blind giveaway and never have been. i think it is in PL's strategic interest but PL needs to make the deal that is good for PL. thus far the deal sure doesn't seem good from the PL side so PL needs to negotiate a better one. americans are very savvy, PL needs to step up. this all could be a mute issue come january anyway.

1. You're proposing more American meddling.

read above. PL needs to make the deal to it's advantage. no roll-overs are advocated here by me.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Jul 2008 /  #24
The only people on here who usually favor the base are Polish Americans..

Could that be because we are here because Poland could not defend herself.
Franek 8 | 271  
12 Jul 2008 /  #25
I am an American, and I cant help but agree with the Poles.
Why should Poland be subject to the first initial strike. We have ICBM's.. Why do we need more bases?.. Nonsense.

VOTE NO POLAND
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
12 Jul 2008 /  #26
America: Take your missile base and shove it!

True.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Jul 2008 /  #27
Why should Poland be subject to the first initial strike

Remember it was Poland that asked for our help, now it's a matter of how much help we can give.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
12 Jul 2008 /  #28
VOTE NO POLAND

Vote? :)


VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
12 Jul 2008 /  #29
Are we not seeing some ever so slightly different opinions on this thread than when the subject was first posted about...?

What a fikle bunch some of us are
celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Jul 2008 /  #30
Vote?

What did he say? lol VOTE YES

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