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Why are more Polish girls marrying Americans?


pgtx 30 | 3,156  
19 Aug 2009 /  #61
ah stop it already... who cares about a green card now days...
krysia 23 | 3,057  
19 Aug 2009 /  #62
who cares about a green card now days...

I wish the Polish loser who is threatening me didn't care.....
pgtx 30 | 3,156  
19 Aug 2009 /  #63
nie możesz mierzyć wszystkich tą samą miarką... time to move on... people have more options now...
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
19 Aug 2009 /  #64
anger_lodz

Here are some of my thoughts:

- Americans travel a lot and have relatively large population which increases chances to run into an American if a gal picks out from foreigners...
- There's a stereotype in many countries (especially in ones with a mediocre economy) you marry foreigner=you marry a wealthy man, besides it's considered exotic and might draw envious looks of other females...

- Many Poles travel to the US for money... why not hubby at the same time? Reconcile duty and pleasure... Why not?
- The relationships between Poland and the US aren't really bad on the governmental scale. That affects people too.
- Americans have the largest cinematography and show business industry. The vast majority of films you watch produced in the US, they logically paint life and people in the US better than they are, they implant to one's mind the seed of "American dream" and lifestyle in general. I don't mind that as long as people realize what is going on. Half the battle for Americans is won by their government.

Do you want Poland to go back to some communism dictature?

oh wait... dictature is a dictature, no matter which adjective goes in front. You can't really say which one's finally would be better for you since you can't always assess its impact on yourself. Note the last item I listed above. Slowly but surely other countries lose their identity under the powerful dictatorship ("democratic" dictatorship if you want) of the US. First and foremost it concerns small European countries with uncommon languages like... Sverige btw, your native land. Have you ever thought of why you have to learn English, not that they have to learn svenska språket? Let's be honest your language is a way more beautiful and if you had the same resources (financial mostly) that the US does, kids all around the world would say "hur står det till" instead of "how're you". So eventually the fact that you put "communism" in front is no other than proof of that "democratic" soft, gentle dictature worked out well. You'll see... in another 10-20 years there will be another kind of dictature which would throw the mood into nowadays democratic values, totally dethroning it... and it wouldn't be about progress, it would be about going round in a circle.

P.S. I do not hate Americans, the US will always stay in my heart like "second Russia" overseas. I just don't want people to lose their identity and origins, don't want people to lose something I like them for, as much as selfish that sounds... I've always said "Poles be Poles", "Germans be Germans", "Swedes be Swedes" etc. I love you the way you are.
scrappleton - | 829  
19 Aug 2009 /  #65
Slowly but surely other countries lose their identity under the powerful dictatorship ("democratic" dictatorship if you want) of the US.

Dictatorship because they speak English? C'mon the US doesn't impose loss of culture on them. English is just the Lingua Franca at the moment. Just like French was.. people didn't become French in the 1800s, adopt everything French,etc.

Americans have the largest cinematography and show business industry. The vast majority of films you watch produced in the US, they logically paint life and people in the US better than they are, they implant to one's mind the seed of "American dream" and lifestyle in general.

Hollywood is a small element to American life.. Even a lot of Californians don't pay a whole lot of attention to it. It's mostly an industry but also a quirky mindset too. Most people don't subscribe to it. To Hollywood's defense, sure it's a lot of overstated, bogus crap but it also creates a lot of simple happiness, a cheap exploration for a lot of people, sparks dreams and imagination.

You have to ask yourself, why people are so eager to believe in these films. Maybe that's the bigger question.

I just don't want people to lose their identity and origins, don't want people to lose something I like them for, as much as selfish that sounds...

Yep.. Everyone should be selfish in this regard.
LukeXX 4 | 75  
19 Aug 2009 /  #66
Slowly but surely other countries lose their identity under the powerful dictatorship ("democratic" dictatorship if you want) of the US

Good point. This is an Empire overlooking its far provinces. The kind of culture the US brings in those countries is mass brain washing.

Take the word democracy. The mass media have trumpeted this word left and right, coming up with such nonsense as exporting democracy. What is really going on, is that a country is undemocratic if it does not go down on its knees, completely sell out and obey to Uncle Tom's corporate interests.

Regarding Polish girls marrying yanks in large numbers, I put it down to many being dumb.
mvefa 5 | 591  
19 Aug 2009 /  #67
ah well, gotta say that the cultural influence of the USA is slowing down, it hitted its hardest at the end of the 80's, 90's, so no biggie.

I guess the idea of marrying a foreigner, especially from a far away country makes it more interesting and exotic.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
19 Aug 2009 /  #68
Dictatorship because they speak English? C'mon the US doesn't impose loss of culture on them. English is just the Lingua Franca at the moment. Just like French was.. people didn't become French in the 1800s, adopt everything French,etc.

No, because they promote their lifestyle worlwide. Language is a consequence.

Hollywood is a small element to American life..

I guess you won't argue the fact that nowadays television has a strong impact on people's mindset. Willy-nilly everybody watches it. Nor you're an exception. Now imagine Russian or Polish kids watching all day long American films, programs, news... Do you still think it won't affects their identity, their natural mindset?

You have to ask yourself, why people are so eager to believe in these films. Maybe that's the bigger question.

It's always easy to believe in things which are easy. That could make people live with a strong believe that applying no efforts you would end up with standard "happy end" anyway.

If you knew how Russian or Polish old films differed from the American ones, you would understand me.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,442  
19 Aug 2009 /  #69
I work in embassy and have noticed this matter exclusively.

then you should be fired from your job for even talking about it;).

And NO, I don't believe that you work for an embassy;)
krysia 23 | 3,057  
19 Aug 2009 /  #70
And NO, I don't believe that you work for an embassy;)

I don't think so either. Unless you're the coffee boy.
scrappleton - | 829  
20 Aug 2009 /  #71
That could make people live with a strong believe that applying no efforts you would end up with standard "happy end" anyway.

There were little girls in Europe in the 1700's who read fairy tales and actually believed they could become princesses. They are to blame for being quixotic not the authors of a fairy tales.

Also, you seem to assert that Hollywood only celebrates the rich. A cursory glance will tell you that's not true really. There's plenty of movies about people relatively poor. "The Blue Brothers" for instance is a good example. Two broke fools ultimately trying to do good. In the end they wind up in jail.

No, because they promote their lifestyle worlwide. Language is a consequence.

Honestly, I find this whole "empire" and "brain washing" notion fairly amusing especially when espoused by someone educated like yourself. Who forces you to watch and believe in these movies? This is similar to a kid addicted to sweets blaming the lolli pop company for his toothache. I will say to you that if you think Hollywood movies and American culture in general is harmful to your children then your countries should ban it from society. I don't say that at all to be sarcastic or smug either. I do find it strange the American is contantly told by the European / Russian how stupid they are but the American doesn't really subscribe to Hollywood's "pie in the sky" sentiment. Unless you're pretty mentally challenged you know you're going to have to work for what you want here. And even then it hinges upon a lot of luck.

I've never lived in Russia or Poland, you have lived in the US and Russia I think you said. Do you think life is easier in the States? It may say something more about the Slavic mindset and their own reality that they are intent on believing in "fairy tales" from a far away continent.
beckski 12 | 1,617  
20 Aug 2009 /  #72
Hollywood is a small element to American life.. Even a lot of Californians don't pay a whole lot of attention to it.

Very true...
bolek 6 | 330  
20 Aug 2009 /  #73
Polish women probably marrying guys from usa because they want something good, american life?

they want the money... money and money.. unfortunately there is no more money and you have to end up with a somebody who is a no body.. lol
scrappleton - | 829  
20 Aug 2009 /  #74
There ya' go.. Beckski doesn't wake up and hang around some Paramount lot or something.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
20 Aug 2009 /  #75
Also, you seem to assert that Hollywood only celebrates the rich

Hey, bud!
No, I don't. I'm not saying that American movie makers produce crap only. Moreover most of films I like are American ones. The crux of my notion was not to evaluate the American movie or show business industry on the whole but to show that the American TV shows and films were the lion share against the background of the whole Russian (or any else) TV.

The problem is that old Russian or Polish babushka's may tell you "okejushki" instead of "dobro" which is largely used as a theme to laugh at by Russian humorists.

Honestly, I find this whole "empire" and "brain washing" notion fairly amusing especially when espoused by someone educated like yourself

Thanks for kind words even though I think I didn't mention any "empire"-stuff at the time. Yet I do believe we are both "empires" and both our governments do "brainwashing" which is indispensable if you want to have an empire - it's like a glue to stick people of different nationalities and different turn of minds together, to rally them around one idea. And at that point I find the US very similar to Russia, which I've already said for many times.

Who forces you to watch and believe in these movies?

True. I understand what you're saying and largely share that, but... You can't speak on behalf of all American, neither can I on behalf of the Russians. Honestly I doubt we can go as people with a typical mindsets respectively American and Russian one. In fact the main purpose of the government is to win over the mass not particularly you or me. We've got a commonly used saying: "odin v pole ne voin" which may be literally rendered as "one man in the field is no warrior". I believe you won't argue the fact that mass is strongly affected by media and we can't actually blame them for that nor we can label them "stupid" or something, since they do not basically have a choice. The standard day of many Russians and Americans is "sleep-work-watch TV set", thus their perception of the world deeply depends on the info they're being fed with. Speaking for myself I can't say I'm free of stereotypes either. I'm to some extent affected as welll...

And I will probably say it again... I do not evaluate those TV programs, whether they're good or not. Some are obviously good, some are not (I btw love your discovery and animal planet channels, I even ordered them here in Russia to be able to watch them while I am at home). My point was that worldwide promotion of one nation alters the cultural vector of another ones.

Russian how stupid they are but the American doesn't really subscribe to Hollywood's "pie in the sky" sentiment

No need to listen to them, since they are stupid themselves if they go on such a generalization.

Do you think life is easier in the States?

I would say it's just different. What I can say for sure is that you've got a lot more opportunities for personal growth. For instance in Rus-Amer company I work for - direct employees can take an additional education for free (the company pays), a few take the advantage of the opportunity though.

I'm not saying life in the US is easy.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
20 Aug 2009 /  #76
I wish the Polish loser who is threatening me didn't care.....

Well Krysia... I think I was one of the first in the Forum to congratulate you. And I wonder if I wrote something else aswell.

See Krysia, life moves on. But then, as always, a Polish or a Russian or an Egyptian or Indian or anyone else, can equally be good or bad. the most important thing is that we know that goodness depends alone of Goodness, and nothing else whatsoever. Ethinicity, race, language, culture, tradition, sexual appeal...all lasts only a year or two of marriage. The rest is always the goodness and detached love which keeps a couple eternally together and happy.

These days more and more marriage become unsuccessful (atleast I know in Europe, and in Poland), and these marriages are between often the closest friends, the best match...the same mentality, culture, country, city!... the hottest couple.... but doesnt work. Why?... because love lays somewhere else perhaps.

Try to make it work. If not ... then take this as something which made you wiser.

And if I am saying things which are not relevant :D ... take it as another post in the Polishforums :P
mvefa 5 | 591  
21 Aug 2009 /  #77
Well we all know Holywood is all about money, and unfortunately its quality is going down the drain lately. Films are becoming simpler and simpler, not challenging for the mind.

The mass media, i dare to say missinform people in the US, its hard to see an objective opinion.

Lastly i was laughing at some discussion-show in the CNN, which stated that Amsterdam is an Anarqui, ruled by criminal organizations and Mafia, a ruthless place with now laws, a failure of an atempt to progresism...Man i almost pissed my pants, i mean they were so-called "tv-informers" but yet they have probably never been in Amsterdam, and gave publicly in national TV their worthless stupid comments.

I mean wow

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