Why do so many people in Poland have issues with Judaism?

You didn't address my question at all. You should run for political office. Is your state short of candidates? ;) ;)

Please try again as the principle is THE SAME. It's about competing claims to land so I'd be very grateful were you to address that point based on how things unfolded. Thanks!!

Seanus, that's just one part of it. To add insult to injury, the majority of Israeli Jews are far too liberal for the Arab population so it makes it harder for them to get along and want to cooperate. Before you bring up how the Israelis took land from the Palestinians, keep in mind that Europeans have been taking land for centuries, so please, do not get self righteous.

At some point, some willl be given back, but face reality, the Israelis aren't going to give everything they took to the Palestinians any more than the American govt is going to give everything back to the native Americans, or the Spanish to the Native Americans of Mexico, and on and on and on. Is Australia going to give everything back to the Aborignees? They should, by your logic, because they came in and took it. Britain just came in and took that land from the natives.

You are going to have to get beyond that mindset, Seanus, because your part of the world has done more taking than any other.

Point me to the part where I spoke of stealing land, PP. I said "when the Palestinians had already been living there for quite some time". I didn't mention the right to the land, did I?

Some, like Yehudi, want Israel to take what they 'won' in the 1967 6-day war. Others offered Arafat a tremendous deal which was declined. There are many competing claims, PP, and I want you to draw a parallel to Kosovo. Can you do that?

What mindset? I don't like imperialism or land grabbing, period!

It's been happening for centuries. What do you propose the world do about it? Everyone that ever took land give it back to the people who had it before? It's not possible. People have been "stealing" land since the beginning of time. Does anyone really own any land, or does it all belong to the strongest and those with the best weapons while we only have the illusion of ownership?

Actually, many people blame the jewish bankers. historically, the jewish pattern is to rob countries through usury and the banks they set up.

They did it in Germany prior to WWI most recently.. seems they are still doing it. They've been doing it to england forever... England was smart and actually kicked them out for awhile, unfortunately.. England eased up...

Hard not to notice what happens to a country whenever a lot of jews get involved in the financial sector.

It was either England or Spain.. long before Hitler ever made jews wear a little patch on their clothing.. I think it was England.. they used to make all jews wear a yellow armband to make certain the rest of the population knew that they were dealing with thieves when doing business with jews.

your problem, cheehaw, is that you are a strong supporter of capitalism, but, you blame jews who playing within the capitalism legal rules when they win the game within the capitalism.


you don't like whole world then now. all lands are grabbed, you know.

seanus, it is time for you too to become a global world socialist. you are just wasting time with bla bla blas of confused capitalist minds.

actually they have not been playing by the rules and a lot of them will eventually go to jail. or get hung. Had they played by the rules, this current mess would not exist. The only thing keeping them going at this point are the numerous bribes and promises they have bought the compliance of others with.

Which gets you and me back to a discussion of corruption doesn't it? If socialism could cure corrupt men and women the whole world would have been socialist a long time ago. But socialism at this point only seems to aid corruption.. get some to work so certain special others can sit on their fat rear ends.

But the liberalism of Israel in relation to Arab society is only a small part of the conflict. The fact is that settlers, who the West sees as the main obstacle to peace are mostly religious Jews living a conservative lifestyle. The leftist "peace" advocates who call for giving the palestinians the west bank are mostly secular people who live liberal lifestyles. The Arabs hate both groups equally.


I agree 100%. There is a dichotomy in Israel. On the one hand there is a tradition of european liberalism. On the other hand there is the Jewish religious tradition. As a young society made up of people from all over the world it will generations to build a consensus on how society should function. I think we should be happy that this process is for the most part non-violent. America, for example, was a country torn apart by different ways of life and it had the Civil War where hundred of thousands of people were killed. France made the move from monarchy to liberalism by having the Reign of Terror. So in Israel we have differences within our society, but I believe that in time it will work out peacefully, and we will have a society based on Jewish religious values, following G-d's laws while being part of the wider world.

You should go to Hollywood. The walk would do you good!