Why do so many people in Poland have issues with Judaism?

You might try planting your feet squarely on the ground and taking in a good dose of reality.

Because it really is a big problem. The fact that you make a joke of it makes me wonder about you and what you are up to to offering people visas at a webboard. I somehow doubt you work for the consulate and moonlight here.

Ah, that 'reality' which involves being unemployed and spending all your time blaming Jews? Quite common problem among internet wannabe Jew-haters, I believe. As I said - most of them haven't actually met a real Jew and spend their time reading conspiracy websites.

The videos on youtube are always good for a laugh though.


Yes, of course it is. Keep telling yourself that - I mean, you might want to readjust your tin foil hat to protect against EVIL JEWS, but hey.


You're welcome to wonder. Personally, I'd rather make money than worry about conspiracy theories involving minorities.

Youtube? No, try the new york times or the uk press.

Israel women trafficking soars
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4380067.stm

I understand they sell kidneys and other body parts too, but that's another story. If you are unaware of these things you are obviously not for real. or else one of them.

Where does it say they were kidnapped in the link? Nowhere.

The problem isn't exclusive to Israel. In fact, the UK has quite a bad reputation for it.

Let's see - Spain - news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8244474.stm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking#Europe gives a nice overview of the problem, showing that it's not just THE BIG EVIL NASTY JEWS that indulge in this practice.

Oh look - what a surprise - news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/8323368.stm - And in the UK again - underage girls being used! -

As I said - cute.


What's new there? Goes on in Europe, too.


These things are hardly exclusive to Israel and EVIL JEWS WHO STOP PEOPLE FROM WORKING BECAUSE... BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWISH!

As for being one of them - aw, is that the old "you're with us or you're against us" line being used?

Now, go away and get a job.

I don't think anyone has issues with judaism. Most people who, for some reason,
bear grudge against Jews or Israel (or both) have very little idea about this religion.

There are numerous books in Polish about Judaism. My favourite one is "Judaizm
bez tajemnic" which explains all the complicated issues in questions&answers form
using very accessible language (you don't need any theological preparation to read
and understand it).

Great book about great people, their religion, culture and customs.

Highly recommended!

Just yesterday I've seen a new book about Polish Jews. It looked very interesting.

Breeding grounds? What are we , mosquitos?


Cast their net? What am I, Spiderman?

Why can't you just say that many Jews settled in Poland and that others lived in other parts of Europe? You can drop the sinister undertones. What I'd like to know is what the Scots are up to with their infiltration of their Polish educational system. Have they cast their net so far east? Where do these people breed?

I sincerely apologise if it came across as negative, yehudi. That's a common expression, 'a fertile breeding ground', and doesn't mean a lowly status necessarily. It just means an area where sth can grow after the seeds having been sown.

'Cast their net' is again metaphorical/figurative for spreading. There was no sinister overture attempt here. Go and ask other PF members with fluent English and they will tell you the same. The first is with fruition and the second with reach.

As for Scotland and Poland, see the thread where Scots have had Polish connections since 1566. See also the literature on the strong bond between our peoples in WWII and, indeed, since then.

I'll leave the infiltration to the Mossad, they seem to be so good at it ;0 ;O (well, maybe not in relation to Iran).

Yehudi was right to point these phrases out.
If someone did not know you Seanus and read it, it does read like sinister undertones.
Perhaps you just chose the wrong expressions, life sometimes is that simple.
I often think that I miscommunicate on here.

I met a guy at a train station in South Africa as I was travelling north up to Zambia and I had forgotten which country it was that the Hutus had massacred the Tutsis, he told mr "Don't worry, they breed easily", that is one of the most disgusting things that has ever been said to my face.


Scapegoating.
Today we have a credit crunch, many countries are witnessing a recession. Many people blame the banks.
Now imagine people are starving and the banks are run by a group of people. It is not hard to imagine what would happen. Well that is the way I see it anyway.

Ach, you are Irish so you don't count, my friend ;) ;)

A fertile breeding ground for development. Since when has that been sinister?

Casting the net wide. Since when has that meant anything other than neutral spreading?

Since always, it has been used to dehumanise people, like the "pacification" of Ireland.


"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive."
One of your guys said that Seanny, Walter Scott.

A fertile breeding ground for terrorists is negative but adding terrorists gave it a negative dimension.

Casting the net wide is a highly neutral expression, simple.

I disagree.
Breeding is used more for other animals not humans.
You do not say that the breeding habits of Germans means an old population.
You do say it for rabbits or other creatures.



I would agree but not when coupled with breeding like an animal, then it expresses a spider web or some kind of concious decision like a conspiracy.

But this is semantics and we could argue pointlessly all day about what words mean.
All I am saying is that yehudi had a point.

Well, he did and I can easily cede that. However, you can't say that he knew my intentions at the time of writing and the fact that I sincerely apologised speaks volumes. I like the guys input.

In the classical sense, it is used more for animals (hodować/hodowanie) but is used more and more for people.

Would a fertile haven sound any better? Fertile land it is then :)

Do you ever get the urge to read the Torah after some Bushmills or Jamiesons, Seanny? ;) ;)

I don't think an apology was necessary, as I am sure your intentions were honourable as usual, from you on such matters.
I think the point was, just to show how it could and was, misinterpreted given the phrasing.


Only on days with a full moon :)

I think I now have a point in him feeling defensive but he needn't worry, all is well.

Gotta love those full moons :) Judaism against Zionism. Yehudi cannot just dismiss these people, they know what they are talking about.

Sigh. Why not let Yehudi have his country? Why insist on telling him that he doesn't deserve one?

Becuase its Polish boards, go discuss it on focking Jewish ones, whats with you guys and Poland, you need to come to Polish boards to discuss Jews, wtf?

Vetala, such talk wears thin. How many times do I have to say it? I'm not seeking to deprive him of anything. I'm just saying that many Zionists have no concept of fairness and this can be seen in the ultra-right factions of the Likud party. It's how they and unscrupulous Brits went about it.

Like it or not, Jews were a major part of the national fabric here, Sok. Many Jews come here for different reasons.

I'm not anti Israel. In fact, after spending some time reading threads on PF, I am more pro Israel than I was before. I can see Israel is needed to preserve the Jewish culture and religion. In the past, it couldn't sustain itself for various reason, it's Jewish inhabitants lost control of Jerusalem and the region. Even if most of the people there are Jewish converts, I believe Judaism should have that tiny fragment of land.

What we need to do, is get people to realize how they are connected to their past, not just connected to Islam. Once the Palestinians realize their ancestors could have been Jewish two thousand years ago, they could embrace Israel. Israel needs to become a bit less liberal and in line with the middle eastern countries. Judaism was there before Islam. It seems like, Islam replaced it.

So, PP, is Jerusalem one homogeneous entity as you paint it or is it a city to be shared?

Seanus, I say, reconnect the Palestinians with their possibly Jewish roots and tone down the liberal craziness in Israel and we could have people who want to share Judaism living together in the Israel, including Jerusalem.

As for the liberal Jews in Israel, I refer them to their own stories about the sinners and God's wrath. God would want them to tone it down.

Do you think Hamas and their voters will opt for that? ;) ;)

I may reconnect with my possible Norwegian roots :) Oh, my possible Danish roots too :) Gotta love having a viking heritage :)

Liberal craziness?

Seanus, that's a big complaint people have. Israel is too liberal. Middle Eastern countries complain bitterly about it. They don't approve.

Please explain as I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you advocating the far-right factions take a tougher stance and further drift from the ICJ's judgement of 2004? Are you aware of how illegal many of Israel's actions are?

Do you really think that perfectly amiable Jews, followers of Judaism, like the fact that Israel is a criminal state? The political set-up there is appalling and they are persistent law breakers. I can easily separate the honest-living Jews from them, can you? Can you see a dichotomy there?

Seanus, one of the major complaints is Israel isn't as strict as other countries and there's a clash of values. Too many non traditional values. If you read the old Testament, you will see, there were times of lawlessness when the Israelites ignored the commandments God gave to Moses on Sinai and when this happened, God punished the Israelites. God doesn't want the Israelites to be a liberal people. He wants them to follow his commandments. It's not that much different from Islam, in that respect.

Even if you don't believe in what the Bible says, you have to look at the underlying meaning and refer to the stories as metaphors.

It's strange, you see the same situation happen over and over in Hebrew history. It must have a significant meaning. It should not be rationalized away or ignored.

Judaism becomes too liberal, and then there's trouble.

Some will always stray, PP, that is natural. Do you want to engender blind obedience based on some 'chosen' status? Yehudi may disagree, and the good man has his right to do that, but the leader of the World Jewish Congress himself said that such a mentality was inculcated into the Israeli Jewish community and they see themselves as the Chosen Ones. Why would they abandon that, do you think? I don't see a great trend of liberalism. I did listen to one radio broadcast with an Israeli professor and I think you are alluding to such a type of person. If so, you'd be mistaking broader understanding with liberalism.

Also, you are implying that God spoke only to Jews. Surely you are not serious that that is the case, right?

Since the whole reason Jews have moved to the Middle East is to preserve their heritage, their culture and way of life should revolve around what is in the Old Testament. Their commandments say they are a conservative people. Otherwise, why have commandments? Why have Judaism? Judaism was conservatism in a sea of liberalism. That is why it came about in the first place. It's only natural that Israel be a conservative state, since that is what Judaism is about to begin with. The whole point is keeping God's commandments or you might as well go be a Pagan.

PP, just curious. Serbs in Kosovo invited Albanians in at the beginning. Then, they flocked in their droves and ousted the Serbs from their homes. The Serbs never truly left their perceived spiritual homeland but got forced out. Many Jews did leave or were exiled but were allowed to come back when the Palestinians had already been living there for quite some time. What is your take on Kosovo and how it applies to the ME conflict?

They are two different conflicts entirely. Part of the middle east crisis is that Israel is percieved as being too liberal, which, in this case, is just a euphemism for "western", since many Diasporadic Jews adopted customs of the lands they lived in for generations and these customs aren't as conservative. The Old Testament gives insight into this and can be used as a blue print to avoid disaster. What could the ancient Israelites do to avoid trouble? Follow the commandments of God. That was it. Many times, they did not and the results were not good. It's not that I consider myself to be a conservative, because I believe in flow, but the Bible clearly states many times throughout the Old Testament, it's in the best interest of Israelites to follow God's commandments and not stray.