Haunted Homes in Poland

Derren Brown Medium (I really like this guy)

Derren Brown Interview (1/6) - Richard Dawkins

Watching and listening now, the usual sceptic horeshite from THE we dont believe around the world crew. I think people who question have the biggest problems.

In order for someone to search, look and source this content they must believe deep down.

Say what now?


Nope not a chance, I think these charlatan Mediums are some of the biggest scumbags around as they use people's grief to con them out of money.

Im not familier with that term but i think i got it.

Individuals that are happy with their existance accept and move on. Of course we all question from time to time but you continue to question again and again as if you yourself are looking for some kind of reassurance, something to believe. Youre constantly argueing your point with realistic, practical and logical statements without the ability to understand the fundamental fact that we just dont have the ability. When i corner you with issues such as inventing another colour you come up with a scientific conclusion. When i mention ouija boards you say its a piece of wood.

You Believe Seanny i know you do, but stop hassling me for explenations and proof as i just dont have them.

Most of us will see our grandparents and parents die and we have to come to terms with our own mortality.
I certainly do not believe in mediums and other con-artists, the horoscope is a good example of pure crap, if you really really really want it to fit, sure it will.

These things create there own realities and I don't really care if it is 'just for fun' but when these guys use people's grief and loss to make a quick buck, that is the lowest of the low.

Some people like watching magic tricks to be in awe of the mysterious performance, others like it because they are always thinking "I know it is a trick, so how the heck did he do that???" :)

we also see births of sons, daughters, grand daughters and grand sons. Im really getting tired of the same old spew from you droning on and on.

Make peace with your own existence mate.

Where theres doubt they'll be con artists.

I did not mention that because i have not heard a medium say anything about that but yep of course you're right.


Oh, because it sounds to me like you are tired of posting something like this and me debunking it fair and square.

Sure believe whatever you want but this is a forum and I will challenge it if I think it is appropriate.
My only advise is, don't give them any money.

Not really, its because youre questioning unreasonable issues with reason.

So your argument, if I understand this correctly, is that I should not question or search for an answer because it is beyond my comprehension and I should except some mediums as the genuine article and not use reason or rational thinking at all?

Basically yeh. If not shut the fcuk up and die and that'll be the end of it.

Nahh, my argument is that you cant be rational about an irrational situiation. Were discussing the very essence of our existance here. Youre searching for answers that just arent available, period. Youre breaking the rules man....


Actually some do

It's a bit like TAPS in Ghost Hunters. I wonder if they'd still do their work without the vast coverage they get on American television sets. On this point, Seanny is right.

However, there are those who go about it in a purely inquisitive and spiritual way and much of what they find cannot just be explained away by a sceptical mind. Those that go down into the Edinburgh Vaults, for example.

Some people claim to feel presences and we need to use our judgement as to whether they are telling the truth or not. For example, my friend felt something in his flat and he took out his K2 meter and actually detected a presence through it. Some might say that he was looking for it as that is one of his main interests. Others would say that he genuinely picked up on sth and looked for confirmation.

It all boils down to belief!

I don't think it is always about telling the truth or not, I think a lot of people need to believe it and think they are telling the truth.

Judgement, now there's a word.
How do you make a judgement call?


What??? no it doesn't.

There are many different avenues of explanation for things but they do not all carry the same validity.
Very many people from different cultures from different periods and different parts of the world, used to believe that sacrificing humans would appease the gods, do you think they were correct?

By using your judgement, that's how! Hence the words 'as to whether' Seanny ;)

They were correct according to the conventional wisdom of the times. It does boil down to belief, Seanny. Some believe in ghosts, others don't. Am I wrong?

So you think something as cruel as torturing and murdering an innocent victim is expectable because it is fashionable???


Some people believe in unicorns, it means nothing and comes back to my point about the validity of certain avenues.

They thought so, I don't.

Who's to say that those who believe in ghosts are less wrong than those who don't?

So are you saying that the sacrifice, torturing and murdering of an innocent victim is equal to you not believing in it?

No, one is proven and the other is belief. What is hard to understand there?

Where is the proof?
Show me the proof.
So you can prove that human sacrifices do not appease the gods?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
There's the Celts and Slavic peoples in there and all :)

Based on the assumption of proof and based on the assumption of existence, getting the point now?

Killing innocents is wrong and there's no assumption there. That's just wrong!

The sacrificing, assuming it happened, is wrong.

Isn't it amazing that one person's fact is another's lie? Think, Seanny, just look at how historians act based on assumptions and assumed truths.

Youre taking his words and slipping them into a context which suites your agenda, bully.

You mean 'belief' don''t you?


Assuming it happened??
It is well documented from all over the planet at various times, see link above.
You know darn well it happened and that people, didn't using reason or rational thought believed that if they made the greatest sacrifice of all, human life, that the gods would be nice to them, it is a kind of spiritual bribery.


The only people I am calling liars are the scum that con grieving people out of their money.


That's why examination of evidence is vital, not just a belief because well you know, that's the way the world is because someone told me and he knows a guy who knows a guy....

Nah thats not it, i dont know anybody that believes in unicorns but i know plenty that believe in ghosts. Unicorns are as real as Goblins and ghouls, so less J K Rowling please. If youre going to try and validate or otherwise anything please stop referring to novelistic master pieces.

No problem!

I'll stick with Human sacrifice then,

The Ancient Egypt, Phoenicia, Levant, Europe, Neolithic Europe, Greco-Roman Antiquity, Celts, Germanic peoples, Magyars, Slavic peoples, China, India, Pacific, Pre-Columbian Americas, Mesoamerica, South America, North America and West Africa all belived in it's power therefore it must be true.

It is a matter of belief :)

Well, if it's well documented then we should entertain the assumption that it has been proven, shouldn't we? However, well-documented doesn't mean 100% true. Did you see it with your own eyes?

No, as proof has more ambit than you are giving it, Seanny. Proof beyond reasonable doubt, 100% proof and on the balance of probabilities are very different standards of proof, wouldn't you say?

And I dislike them as much as the next person, Seanny. Too many people find profits in things that shouldn't warrant them but it's the people that pay and are suckers for those preying on their vulnerabilities. However, who's to say that it isn't reasonable curiosity on their part?

Examination of evidence is vital, I couldn't agree more. Court cases aren't decided by beliefs alone. However, even after many encounters and evidence we still class ghosts as fear of the unknown. That is to accommodate the sceptics who throw in reasonable doubt. Hearsay has limited application, it's purely circumstancial.

Proof, yeah, but to who's satisfaction?

SeanBM
what does that tell you? They were killing innocents?

maybe they were killing off the likes of -- certian individuals that actually needed a good old back breaking slice of the neck and then fed to the lions. A tad of capital punishment.

History reads in a certain characteristic method, theres many arguments for and against capital punishment. I have extensive personal knowledge of current psychiatric units, in the old days these guys were considered possessed or demonised in some way, would explain many so called spiritual killings.

So you are arguing that there is not enough proof that people commuted ritual human sacrifice because I did not see it,even though there is physical evidence and entertain the idea that people saw ghosts?


youtube.com/v/Qx0Jt2jnLOQ

And maybe these grieving people deserve to be ripped off? naw mate.

Interesting, what will the 2100's say about us? Ohh they killed poor innocent Ted Bundy he was only murdering for company they just didnt understand him.

Lets not forget that 100's of years ago 1000's even by your quote murder wasnt such a great crime. Like oih you wheres my suger? "what you dont have it wham? have some of that". and the wild west, first to draw and aim straight won with is life. I suppose thats the same as punchng someone on the nose right now.

I'm saying that I'm not aware of the proof as that area doesn't interest me but that, as a well-documented thing, it may well be true. However, the Racak massacre was well-documented as a Serbian crime but there is res noviter veniens ad notitiam, new evidence newly coming to light that that is not the case. You see, media can twist anything.

Watch your sources! A little mystery has to be kept in life.

Very good question, very bad example.
Using reasoning and rational thinking it is still wrong to allow a man to murder people.
But hopefully we will be able to understand serial killers and prevent them from murdering someday.


That is all a matter of who and why you murdered them and of course they called it kill, justified or a gift, not murder.


For sure parts of the world that we consider civilized today were not always this safe.

There are many witch hunts, gladiators, dictators, superstitions (remember the blare witch project?:) and so called 'justified' killings today.


There is enough mystery in this life to keep us all very busy for all our lives without this bull con-artist crap, it is just a distraction.

Well, WB seems to have bought it ;)