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Wroclaw Boy  
20 Aug 2009 /  #61
Ive known one friend who used a ouija board regularly, everytime i mention it he gets really angry. He will not say a word about it, fear seems to come over him.

I wouldnt touch one of those.
Trevek 26 | 1,700  
20 Aug 2009 /  #62
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Describe the picture. How long has it been since you have seen it...

The upstairs room has a cupboard built into one corner and the picture is inside the door.

The book we bought said it was a picture of either the devil or an old testament prophet but it is obviously a picture of Poseidon. Interestingly, the pub is called The Nag's Head (Nag is an old word for a horse) and Poseidon is god of horses.

Supposedly, and the landlord says it is true, any attempt to paint over the picture is useless as it just comes back through the paint.

Are you sure it was the picture or the actual price per night of the hotel?

Haha, I like it.

Now the pub doesn't use that room for guests. I asked if it was because of the curse. The landlord said partly that and just because the room has no heating and is pretty cold. He uses it as a store room now.

The pub itself is pretty old (15th C wooden framework outside) and serves some pretty decent ale.
lexi 1 | 176  
20 Aug 2009 /  #63
The pub itself is pretty old (15th C wooden framework outside) and serves some pretty decent ale

Oh I just had a passing thought whilst trying to visualise this building and Wild cop, World Cup Wyle cap just sprung to mind, with a mixture of black and white wood. a slight incline. I don't know if this means anything
George8600 10 | 632  
20 Aug 2009 /  #64
Why should my non belief in god have any bearing on whether i believe in ghosts?

You my friend should talk to Aristotle; he believes the same way you do. ^_^
Trevek 26 | 1,700  
21 Aug 2009 /  #65
Oh I just had a passing thought whilst trying to visualise this building and Wild cop, World Cup Wyle cap just sprung to mind, with a mixture of black and white wood. a slight incline. I don't know if this means anything

According to the discover shropshire site:

The street space, now given the single name Wyle Cop, earlier nomenclature distinguished between the top of the hill (Wyle Cop, Super Wilam), the gradient (the Wyle), and the floodplain (Under the Wyle/sub Wila). Hobbs recorded the possibility that the name derives from the Welsh hwylfa-a road leading up a hillside, and the Welsh coppa-top, or head.

I think there's also the germanic term Kop for a hill (like "spion kop", the spy hill which the Liverpool stand is named after)

There are lots of black and white buildings there: (see second row of pictures)
yourlocalweb.co.uk/shropshire/frankwell/pictures

historicalhostelries.co.uk/000013.html
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
21 Aug 2009 /  #66
Allegedly, some people who stayed in the room where this picture is committed suicide, others have had bad luck.

Some have even been condemned to roam the Polish Forums for eternity ;)

It does not surprise me that superstitious people find something and interpret it as supernatural.
It is of course good fun to scare yourself,
the mind is a powerful thing and the adrenalin, blood pumping through your vains and heightened state of awareness, are all very stimulating.
There are many ways of digesting data and humans are pattern forming creatures.
Just look at a cloud and tell me what you see.

The simple truth is, you die and that's the end.
A lot of you reading that won't like it.
Trevek 26 | 1,700  
21 Aug 2009 /  #67
The simple truth is, you die and that's the end.
A lot of you reading that won't like it.

Aw, spoilsport... and I was looking forward to dying!

The guy who wrote the book goes on about how evil it is (and incorrectly desscribes it) and says how one journalist nearly broke her ankle leaving the room. He doesn't mention that the stairs are really very steep and narrow.
Wroclaw Boy  
21 Aug 2009 /  #68
The simple truth is, you die and that's the end.

SeanBM theres just too many unsolved mysteries for that to be the truth. Ask your self how the hell did you get here in the middle of this timeless universe in a spec of a world. What made you? what got you here, right now, and how will you get someplace else?

I ponder the realities of life live through your children etc.. but thats all bull shite IMO. If you die and that is the end then nothing makes sense. Thats for sure, its just a shell mate.

I totally accept yout theory, and know many believe the same. Sometimes i have shared your opinion and maybe i will in the future, but not right now. Keep faith hope is a good thing. Plus ive seen a ghost.

We all have one special Guide whom is with us throughout our whole lifetime on earth.

Hitlers gaurdian angel must have been one bad mutha fcuker.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
21 Aug 2009 /  #69
theres just too many unsolved mysteries for that to be the truth.

Unsolved mysteries are just mysteries because they are unsolved.

What made you?

I know my parents had something to do with it ;)

what got you here, right now, and how will you get someplace else?

I flew in to Krakow's Balice airport and it will probably be my escape route too.

If you die and that is the end then nothing makes sense.

Nobody said it had to make sense.

Thats for sure, its just a shell mate.

All you are is dust in the wind.
See I can talk in metaphors too but it still means nothing.

Keep faith hope is a good thing.

I have never seen Atheism dry the tears of a widowed bride. I have never seen Atheism comfort the single mother. I have never seen Atheism calm the spirit of a distressed father. And I have never seen Atheism offer hope to the hopeless, forgiveness to the sinner,

I see the appeal but I would prefer to live in the real world than a made up fairytale.
I also see the appeal of Santa Claus...

ive seen a ghost.

I believe that you believe, you saw a ghost.
That is as far as I would go with that one.
Wroclaw Boy  
21 Aug 2009 /  #70
I flew in to Krakow's Balice airport and it will probably my escape route too.

LOL. gotta dash you lot will not have to put up with me for a few hours. SeanBM to be continued...
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
21 Aug 2009 /  #71
A ghost... is something which is not present... but the shadow of something past. As though..."the ghost of her memories..."

Its related to something that happened.... once upon a time. Pasts often haunt us too... if they are sinister...or unfinished. And when we feel we cannot do anything about it, that is the time when it makes us helpless, and seems too overwhelmingly powerful...because its done in its undoingness.... and we are undone is our progressive present.

Ghosts...thus... might just be according to how it is defined. But not exactly how we like to decode its definition.
espana 17 | 950  
21 Aug 2009 /  #72
i'll tell all my ghost story one day

i will tell my adduction by the aliens one day , also i will tell you when i met William Shakesphere.


lexi 1 | 176  
21 Aug 2009 /  #73
The simple truth is, you die and that's the end.

Now how can you be really sure Sean, noone has every come back to tell the tale.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
21 Aug 2009 /  #74
Now how can you be really sure ? because noone has every come back to tell the tale.
Wroclaw Boy  
21 Aug 2009 /  #75
Unsolved mysteries are just mysteries because they are unsolved.

Many unsolved mysteries remain unsolved as they are unsolvable.

Wroclaw Boy:
What made you?
I know my parents had something to do with it ;)

What your soul? Thats you through and through youre a genetic blue print form them, but spiritually and independant as the rest of us. Traits exist, looks, similarities even, but the soul is all unique.

Nobody said it had to make sense.

Nobody said anything, it is what it is, take what you will from that. In the best interest of man it should make sense but it just doesnt. nothing does really except whats right in front of you. Thats wrong.

All you are is dust in the wind.

Science and reality tells us this, all the time, its right there as plain as day. But day doesnt even make sense really does it. Next time you doubt anythingt just look up on a cloudless night, and then think what you typed here and make sense of it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
21 Aug 2009 /  #76
Many unsolved mysteries remain unsolved as they are unsolvable.

This does not automatically mean there is a super natural.

but the soul is all unique.

What soul?.
I have a mind but not a soul in the religious sense of the word.

In the best interest of man it should make sense

Thats wrong.

Why?.

. Next time you doubt anythingt just look up on a cloudless night, and then think what you typed here and make sense of it.

You are confusing my Atheism with lack of awe at the magnificence of the universe.
They are two very very different things, one is Santa Claus the other is the Universe.

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I remember in Alchemia, you said you were going to have it out with me on here because I am Atheist :)
lexi 1 | 176  
21 Aug 2009 /  #77
I remember in Alchemia

Oh loads of spirits in there too. I've seen them there especially at 4 in the morning!
Trevek 26 | 1,700  
21 Aug 2009 /  #78
Does God believe in atheists?
Wroclaw Boy  
22 Aug 2009 /  #79
This does not automatically mean there is a super natural.

Of course not, but it does prove that certain scientistst theorys are crap.

What soul?.
I have a mind but not a soul in the religious sense of the word.

What no soul, what makes you you? The brain? your fetures? the way you behave? I believev what makes you you is the soul. You cant see it on any Doctors chart, X ray or easily describe it, it exists within ones self. It is the very essence of your individuality

Wroclaw Boy:
Thats wrong.
Why?.

good / evil, we're led to believe whats right in front of us regardless. Go around killing people and youll figure that one out all for yourself. Good question and relevant, no clear cut answer. What there is real, were only equipped to deal with what we can percieve, many guests percieve the wrong images and ongoings and forget about the big picture. In all walks of life not only this but the next too..
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #80
it does prove that certain scientistst theorys are crap.

If something is a mystery, it doesn't prove squat.

I believev what makes you you is the soul.

What makes you believe that?.

the next too..

I don't honestly think there is a next life.
Wroclaw Boy  
22 Aug 2009 /  #81
If something is a mystery, it doesn't prove squat.

Im not saying it does, im saying that it proves certain issues are unexplainable.

What makes you believe that?.

Dude come on with the scientific questions we all have a brain and a body, a soul is what seppeartes you from me and what essentially makes us individual. Its the real person deep inside.

I don't honestly think there is a next life.

I dont think there is a next life either, but there is something.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #82
a soul is what seppeartes you from me and what essentially makes us individual. Its the real person deep inside.

I don't think so, unless I am in physical contact with someone or agree with them, I am separate from everyone in body and mind.

I dont think there is a next life either, but there is something.

I think people very often want to believe that there is something.
Fear of death, the unknown, does not mean there is anything after life and we comfort ourselves with fair tales.
I think people would be better off focusing on this one life than making up stuff about another.
Wroclaw Boy  
22 Aug 2009 /  #83
Wroclaw Boy:
a soul is what seppeartes you from me and what essentially makes us individual. Its the real person deep inside.

I don't think so, unless I am in physical contact with someone or agree with them, I am separate from everyone in body and mind.

Thats exactly what i said.

I think people very often want to believe that there is something.

Of course they do, thats human nature

Fear of death the unknown does not mean there is anything after life.

Correct

I think people would be better off focusing on this one life than making up stuff about another.

Amen, youre not having any of it are you SeanBM? Fair doo's, i respect your stance..
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #84
Amen, youre not having any of it are you SeanBM?

Naw, I have given this a lot of thought and until I get proven evidence to the contrary, I will continue not believing.
Wroclaw Boy  
22 Aug 2009 /  #85
Naw, I have given this a lot of thought and until I get proven evidence to the contrary

Youre not going to get any solid evidence. Im happy youve given it a lot of thought atleast, it exists wether you believe or not..

I remember in Alchemia, you said you were going to have it out with me on here because I am Atheist :)

I dont understand that if youre referring to an old thread i cant remember, funnily enough i was browsing over some very old threads recently when you first became a member and i told you to bugger off from my Friday night trolling spot. lol

Just browsed over this thread and last nights banter, some of it made sense, im not questioning your religion im not a religious person and when i mentioned soul it wasnt in the religious context.

Perhaps we should leave this one for now and just call it an unsolved mystery.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #86
I dont understand that if youre referring to

After Paintballing, after the BBQ we were scullin pints in Alchemia, the bar, and some how it came up that I am an Atheist and you said you'd have it out with me on PF for that:)

when you first became a member and i told you to bugger off

I think everyone did ;)

im not questioning your religion

Good because I don't have one.

i mentioned soul it wasnt in the religious context.

Then I think mind and soul are the same thing.

Perhaps we should leave this one for now and just call it an unsolved mystery.

The lack of any objective evidence would make it impossible to solve now.
lexi 1 | 176  
22 Aug 2009 /  #87
After Paintballing, after the BBQ we were scullin pints in Alchemia, the bar, and some how it came up that I am an Atheist and you said you'd have it out with me on PF for that:)

Why don't you both just agree to disagree. Nobody knows what is on the otherside until you die and therefore noone can relate this back.

I personally believe that there is something on the otherside, not the afterlife, but your spirit lives on. When people die in. hopitals they open the windows the let the spirit out, even in life it is the spirit of a person that makes them who they are, not the body.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #88
Why don't you both just agree to disagree. Nobody knows what is on the otherside until you die and therefore noone can relate this back..

I personally believe that there is something on the otherside,

So basically it is okay for you to "believe" but not okay for me to say it is rubbish.

I dislike that word "belief", you can basically believe anything with absolutely no evidence, it is simply ridiculous.

Nobody knows what is on the otherside

There is no other side.

your spirit lives on

No it doesn't, you die and that's it.
This airy Fairy rubbish is just ridiculous.

When people die in. hopitals they open the windows the let the spirit out,

Decomposition of the body, releasing of gases after death.

even in life it is the spirit of a person that makes them who they are, not the body.

No it is not.
lexi 1 | 176  
22 Aug 2009 /  #89
Sean this is why I said agree to disagree. You have your beliefs other people have their beliefs. Just call it a day, because everyone could debate until they are "blue in the face" and it will not change anything.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
22 Aug 2009 /  #90
You have your beliefs

I don't have a belief, belif requires no evidence.

Just call it a day,

You can't say that and then go on to spout your belief, this is a public forum and I have as much right to post my opinion on here as you do.

because everyone could debate until they are "blue in the face" and it will not change anything.

So why then do you continue?.

Why don't you both just agree to disagree. Nobody knows what is on the otherside until you die and therefore noone can relate this back..

I personally believe that there is something on the otherside,

These two comments together, in your one post, one after another, reads that I should not post here because your belief is more important some how.

You are basically saying there is no point in discussing it at all and then you go on to state your views.

I find it often, with people who have absolutely no evidence for the things they believe, to want to stop the discussion as some kind of quasi mystical mystery and I disagree.

Tell me this Lexi, humans have been around for about 200,000 years, so why are all these superstitious ghost stories only from the last two hundred years?.

Does your belief in a spirit include other animals and plants or is it just humans?.

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