Will Poland become like the UK ?

Espana i think you have every right to be in the UK, and am glad you are. I am also very pleased you like it here and have integrated so well..

well may be you should come to work here truhlei.....may be the things will be better ...
i hope so

I dont really think that the English see the Spanish as immigrants, and I agree with what D said :)

dont be nice to me ........tomorrow will be the war (hamilton , alonso)

But that's something completely different Espana, i can differentiate between sport and reality.. if my niceness grates you deal with it.. i speak with sincerity... ;-)

I wish I lived in Russia the rest of my life. See slavs usually spend some years abroad but then they have a desire to return. Many Poles also return home.

But as to ilegals in general, I have never heard Spanish government as well as other EU governments have a clear concept of imigration policy.

I seems to me sometimes that only Swiss state has sometimes an adecuate approach to foreigners as well as a good local and in mani cases volunteer controle over imigrants. But it is not a EU country

one of the thing i hate most is that i was'nt like that before ,
did i become a rasict?
hope not

I want to visit Espana because I can speak Spanis and love your Motherland. I want to visit other EU countries. As tourist of course or as visitor of my friends.

I'm ready to make a deposit for a possible deportation and to give mi fingerprint and other necessari biometrical dates. But I don't want to ask for visa every time I come in EU and suffer quite a himillating presedure in embassies that are looking for ilegals all over the world.

Besides that I'm indignated by such procedure of receiving a visa to go by car from Russia to Russia (case of Kaliningrad region, East Prussia) throught Lithuania. Such difficulties were inpossible for West Europeans even during the existence of West Berlin and communist East Germany.


Of course not. Yur aren't against people of other ethnies. As to differences between citizens and foreigners, some discrimination is not only possible but sometimes even necessary (Right to Elect parlament for example).

good luck to you , espero que te lo pases bien
a mi tambien me gustaria visitar , algun dia russia

Russia is a very interesting country. After many years of communism and 10 years of liberast (not liberal one) rule it becomes every day more bonita

Nope just less tolerant.

I'm sure each state should admit only the tolerance it is able to defend strongly.
Imagive that rasist ideas becomes too popular in the down classes of the society? What shall you do? Persuade the people sure that everithing in the country belongs to them only (the main idea of today social policy)?

Make police start a rasist hunt. But it is quite uneasy to the policemen arrest rasists when they can't cope with ilegals. Besides that the families of the policemen who have successes in rasist persecution may become known via Internet and their children at schools may be persecuted by their classmates. Nobody will risk his children.

You think rasists can be sent to prisons if some millions of such people appear (a realistic prospect in some circumstances)? Are there enough prisons. Do you think it is possible to depart rasists from their native countries as sometimes ilegals are departed?

For today European states cannot resist a rasist blow. So the only way is not to give reasons for agravation. The politics is the art of possible

I only said that people are less tolerant and this has nothing to do with class, at least not in this country.

Also as for all this secret police stuff and deporting nationals, England is quite different from Russia so I dont think a lot of what you say applies to us.

I didn't mention any secret stuff. As do deporting nationals from Russia, do you know figures.
I am discussing only social psychology and the threat os a wide racism among some down classes in Europe. Yes the same thing exists in Russia, but I'm sure human natire, assets and deficiencies are the same all over the world.

In Russia the xenofoby is supporter by poor people. They know they cannot be punished for that. It is very difficult to proove the guilt in Trial and as to rasist reputation it means nothing for those who don't make career or have business.

People don't feel themselves criminals because they know that for example the USA south states had in the 40 the same problems with afroamericans and mexicans despite they had cottages and more cars per capita than today Russia.

As to psychology of impunity and "freedom" of rasist expression for people downstairs, who don't make career or business and don't depend upon high and middle class public opinion, that may seem attractive to many lumpens all over the world. Russia isn't a lonely country in that.

sorry I dont understand what they are

Sorry, I thougt that word exists in English. That is an ancient latin term. It was used in Roman Empire to define poor people who didn't work hard and survived using their status of Roman citizens and social assistance. Despite that dependence upon the society they were quite revolutionary people and it was quite easy to inspire a rebel among them. In Russian this term is widely used. I thought it is also used in English.

from dictionary dot com

"of or pertaining to disfranchised and uprooted individuals or groups, esp. those who have lost status"

Although many like to consider the UK a multicultural country, I know of certain parts of England that are inhabited by mostly English people and thus practice English culture and way of life.

Lots of English Londoners have been migrating eastwards to theese destinations ever since the 1960's to escape "multiculturalism". Ethnic minorities have never really followed so even today everything remains English.

I still visit theese places frequently. I've taken a few of my Polish friends to places like Norfolk and they are truely shocked at how different it is from London. No crime, no tension, no muslims, just friendly english people all sharing the same culture, values and way of life.

I remember one of my Polish mates, he was living for a year in London and he hated it, he said England was nothing like he'd read in books.

So I took him East to show him the real England and he said; "now this is what I came to the UK to see and experience, real english culture and people". The next week he packed his bags left london and moved to a small English coastal village called Cromer.

He's been there ever since and is now married to an English girl. I spoke to him 2 months ago and he was getting elecution lessons so that he could loose his Polishness and get a proper English accent.

I knew such places should be in UK!
You described it in such way that I imagined everything! That is somothing from so loved by me Victorian epoch so respected by many today Russian intellectuals.

??? why??


You would love the lake district, where poets and writers hailed from...small english villages with tea shops and a country pub and views to die for

I agree with what you say,but also feel there are many areas of Britain with a successful multicultural mix.These tend to be places with wealthier(Chinese/Indian)communities alongside the English and Europeans but with no Pakistanis/Somalis or British born black pretend gangsta thug idiots.

I actually prefer mixing with open minded or educated Nigerians/Chinese/Indians etc than with English chavs or dole scrounging moaners.Thanks to a number of lowlife criminal scumbag immigrants its easy to forget that there are many more decent ones who are really not so different from the traditional English people you mention.

That's the reason why British detective serials that show country police and country crimes are so popular in Russia that Russian TV central channels show them in prime time on Saturday and Sunday. People love detectives if in the fund such lovely places. No more foreign serials be central Russian TV at all in any day of week (only local TV). Only these one.

As to smth like Sun Hill serial about London police, it is absolutely impopular.
Victorian culture even today and even connected with detective attracts Russians.

In Edinburgh the greatest amount of beggers are from the city itself. Although, I don't deny there are foreigners begging on the streets but the majority are from Edinburgh or Britain at least.

bonsoir y a quelqu'un qui pqrle francais dans ce forum ?

je crois que c imp[ossible que poland deviendra comme uk ...mais j en suis sur et certain que uk deviendra comme la poland .........heheheheh

a cette occasion j'embrasse toutes les belle femmes polonaises je vous aime bien bisous bisous bisous xxxx

I am sad to read this. :-(

oh I do love a french accent :) gets me every time...


Why sad? English people have been doing this for years, I just wondered why he felt the need.

Oh I know but I feel that its good to get a better accent etc but to want to lose everything about him that is Polish...its sad but maybe he has his reasons for wanting to do this. I don't know the guy, I just felt sad because I would not want to lose my 'Scottishness' or 'Britishness' should I move elsewhere.

Away Guy, now you say that the uk is a **** hole? so the immigrants are selling things in warsaw? Who is buying?? the imigrants? no because they are selling, whoever buys also contributes with the rubbish, listen neo nazi, what is the problem with Africa or India? Aren't the people white enough to your standards? Man I thought that this forum was cool, but people like you make the world a worse place to live and don't add anything. Why dont you take your shaved heads friends and your suastic crosses and go there and kill all the foreigners, ohhhh because you are not polish, so sorry.

I think as boarders open up you are bound to get open migration and you are going to get a mix of good and bad that is why Australia has a strict points system because they do not want to be flooded by low life and people who are going to cost the state loads and loads of money. I do not go to Poland now and have not been there for many years however, I do remember being in a town called Koszalin and I parked my car for a while near a church,. My car was surrounded by Romanian gypsies trying to get money from me almost by force. It was a very unpleasant experience. They also hung around in Warsaw in the main building where people would queue up to buy tickets rubbing their dirty hands over people's coats to force them to hand over money to simply get rid of them. Poland deals in a lot of illegal passports and counterfeit documents so a lot of former Eastern Europeans are flocking there in force to get the documentation in order to enter the United Kingdom. I was always against the E.U., always against Polish membership and I for one could see the negative long term results of the collapse of the Berlin Wall. The Poles see freedom as an end product as they are not used to freedom but freedom is a malleable thing which grows and changes shape over a life time in so many ways. Poland like so many other new countries want to milk the cow but nobody wants to feed it. I can only say that I thank God that we never returned to Poland to live.

Another sad, miserable post of a disgraceful creature aka kmiot. You should know that hostility puts a lot of stress on the body, and promotes the release of inflammatory proteins in your blood. A prime cause of cardiovascular disease and cancer.

So, lighten up.