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Animosity between Poland vrs. Polonia?


Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
31 Jan 2008 /  #31
The people I know that do participate in Polish election travel to Poland every couple of years.

Travel every couple of years ? That's enough in your opinion ?
polishcanuck 7 | 462  
31 Jan 2008 /  #32
Sometimes I get a feeling there is a certain amount of animosity between Polish People permanently living abroad and the people in Poland.
Polish people in Poland sometimes are distrustful, envious and even hostile towards Polish living abroad.
On the other hand they accuse Poles living abroad of looking down and frowning upon Poland. In their opinion, if you decided to leave Poland and settle down elsewhere, take on a different citizenship, or you were born outside Poland, then you shouldn't call yourself a Polish anymore. They don't like when Polonia votes in Polish elections, and to be honest I can see their point.

It has nothing to do with mistrust. It's all about envy and jealousy. People in poland know how easy life is in canada, for example, compared to poland. An educated or skilled(mechanic, electrician, etc..) canadian can live a very comfortable life in this country. In poland, this is not the case. Doctors(800zl/month), teachers, professors, engineers make next to nothing. This is not limited to poles though, most of the people on this planet would do anything to live like the average canadian.

As for voting in polish elections by poles living abroad, well i think that is completely ridiculous. I only vote in canadian elections, since i live here and follow this countries politics (as best i can, i really don't like politics btw).

Anyone know the official statistics (if they exist) on who the polonia voted for in the last election?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
31 Jan 2008 /  #33
Anyone know the official statistics (if they exist) on who the polonia voted for in the last election?

They are on an old thread somewhere.
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #34
Doctors(800zl/month), teachers, professors, engineers make next to nothing. This is not limited to poles though, most of the people on this planet would do anything to live like the average canadian.

as I said

If we lisned American Poles we would be there (In american Poles brains we are there) :

dear American/Canadian Poles please don't vote any more ;-) hopefuly maybe they will not have law to do it next time
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #35
they won't move back. They say they will but they won't.

and why is that, do you think?

Do French consider those in Quebec to be French?

the government surely does... you actually used a unique country with that respect, as your example... french really overextend themselves for almost any amount of their own blood.. poland would do well to learn from them.

If sb feels Polish can back here and vote for future of his family I don't want some people form USA choose my future and if they choose wrong I will pay for their decisions

yes, we have no families back there.. the thing is that you will never understand is thaat we have had both points of view while you have only the one.. whihch is better? i am thinking the more experiences, the better.

I find the kmiot a f. idiot, who can't even understand one line of simple English text.

oh jeezz.. he hits the nail on the head and you're crying because of your finger? dude... get over it. michal is definitely wright on this.

Have another look at it and see how narrow minded you are.

damn, you have the polophobia bad. :D :D

There are very few "recent arrivals to U.S".

please quit talking out your arse. thanks

My opinion is that if anybody is paying taxes here then can vote... if anyone doesn't support the country what is his/her right to decide about Polish future ?...

f u.. my US tax dollars have fed your arse for many years.

Travel every couple of years ? That's enough in your opinion ?

you're not the prez. polish is polish.. doesn't matter what you think. :D are you going to start inquisitions now.. what about those that have german blood in them? do you want to exclude them too? how about the russian mix?

It has nothing to do with mistrust. It's all about envy and jealousy.

you're making too much sense.. they'll bash you that much more.

dear American/Canadian Poles please don't vote any more ;-) hopefuly maybe they will not have law to do it next time

just to spite you, i'll always vote with radio maria.. hahahaha a$$.
Davey 13 | 388  
31 Jan 2008 /  #36
the government surely does... you actually used a unique country with that respect, as your example... french really overextend themselves for almost any amount of their own blood.. poland would do well to learn from them.

They don't see themselves as France French, just French. They think they are their own country=P
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #37
the french view anyone who has some french blood as french.. one can declare citizenship by just saying so. a friend of mine who is french has a couple of kids with an american woman.. the kids will attend universities in france or quebec at no cost. (the kids speak french - one of the requirements)
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #38
I just wait when you will chose idiot who will start new war with somebody and I will wait for voloutires form USA LOL. Hopefuly we are going to change law :) :* so Americans will be Americans when they will come back they will vote if not f*** off there is 20 mln people abroad who consider themself Poles but don't live here I don't see the reason to pay taxes or educate in way they want. F**** OFF
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #39
well, my passpost says POLSKA on it.. i am polish wheather you like it or not. and i will vote from now on, for sure. i will also lobby my reps not to aid PL anymore. happy? good. :)
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #40
Polish lobby in USA is hopeless ... think 38 mln Poles in Poland and 20 mln living abroad why I have to pay taxes or educate or have road law as they want. (hopefully most of them don't vote)

BTW we get more money from Germans (EU) than form American Poles ...

you are Polish come back here and be Pole :) vote work pay taxes :) welcome in family
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #41
did polonia ever influence polish politics in poland? nope is the answer so all this arguing is pretty much a mute point.

(hopefully most of them don't vote)

oh that's really smart. i am thinking you'd want more people having a say, not less.. just can't shake the old commie ways, can you? :D

BTW we get more money from Germans (EU) than form American Poles ...

and you're proud of that? don't bite the hand that feeds you..
maybe recently PL has gotten more marks then dollars but during communism the $$ kept flowing in and no one seemed to be *******' ... hmm.
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #42
oh that's really smart. i am thinking you'd want more people having a say, not less.. just can't shake the old commie ways, can you? :D

you don't live here, when I read your opinions about Guns and defending family I prefere you to stay in USA :)

hopefuly we are going to change law and you are not going to vote anymore because I don't see the reason to pay taxes like you want or bootlick U$A a$$ because you want me to do it ...

maybe recently PL has gotten more marks then dollars but during communism the $$ kept flowing in and no one seemed to be *******' ... hmm.

we had communism because USA sold us ... and not marks .... EURO. and later supported us against Russians the same as Talibs in Afghanistan.

What is more I have noticed that when we have succes you write "WE" when we don't you write "THEY" WHAT KIND OF POLE YOU ARE
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #43
opinions about Guns and defending family

you'd rather see your loves one killed right in front of you?

bootlick U$A a$$ because you want me to do it ...

i surely never said i want poland to kiss up to USA. definitely not.

yes euros becaause PL didn't get any marks. it got $ instead. and PL needs german support like it needs the Tutons.

What is more I have noticed that when we have succes you write "WE" when we don't you write "THEY" WHAT KIND OF POLE YOU ARE

i wonder what you'll say about my use of IT just above.

we had communism because USA sold us

lol.. you're funny.. england, i take it, did not? how about france? and the germans always have helped, haven't they? yup. *shakes head*
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #44
tell my one thing. Why I have to pay taxes like you want me to pay. Why I have to educate in way you want me to do it. Why I have to have law you want me to have. Why I have to have foreign policy like you want me to have. Why I have to have aliances like you want me to have ...

foreign policy is only small part of our reality

comeback here vote and decide and take responsibilty coming form your decisions
OP Dice 15 | 452  
31 Jan 2008 /  #45
It's called DEMOCRACY, Sadek :)
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #46
he don't live here. we are goinf to change the law the same as brits did. I think that having only one citizenship will be the best solution. I think that idea of having only one citizenship will be the best solution, peopel will chose they want to be Poles or Americans ... some countries did so and they have results. We will have true democracy here
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #47
tell my one thing. Why I have to pay taxes like you want me to pay. Why I have to educate in way you want me to do it. Why I have to have law you want me to have. Why I have to have foreign policy like you want me to have. Why I have to have aliances like you want me to have ...

i don't vote for the laws but general policy that i believe to be good for PL... you do the same.. that's how it works.. you cut us off.. well, don't bite the hand that fed you. would that be better behaviour then america exhibits right now? is that really beneficial? maybe these are some of the reasons why PL is still struggling? intollerance breathes problems Sadek.

Poles

i'm a Pole.. i keep telling youthat but for some freaking reason you don't seem to get it.
Sadek 4 | 136  
31 Jan 2008 /  #48
OK only very small % from this 20 mln use the law to vote in elections ... and I am happy with it ... and I think they shouldn't vote at all beause they vote on worst idiots and I pay for it not they ... ONE CITIZENSHIP WILL BE THE BEST SOLUTION

i'm a Pole.. i keep telling youthat but for some freaking reason you don't seem to get it.

you will have opportunity to show if you are American or Pole and chose :)
plk123 8 | 4,149  
31 Jan 2008 /  #49
i'm polish, dude.

and I think they shouldn't vote at all beause they vote on worst idiots and I pay for it not they

well, i think people with brown eyes shouldn't vote because they seem to be full of sh*t. you just don't get it.
Przemas 1 | 101  
31 Jan 2008 /  #50
I live outside of Poland since my youth, me voting for its current leaders is absolutely ridiculous. Only those that are directly affected by the candidates that are on the ballot should cast their votes. I am over seas and it sickens me that I have the same right as somebody that the recent winner PO policies affect. This is ********.

Give me like 5% of a real vote and I would understand.
przemek79 - | 12  
1 Feb 2008 /  #51
(...) f u.. my US tax dollars have fed your arse for many years. (...)

plk123: the way you write seems you think you are better from anyone here. I'm still thinking that here should vote people that support this country.

There is 2 types of PL emigrations, one is from comunismus times and the second is recent years. I know few people from "old" emigrations and their style of thinking, they are all the same (from my familiar). They remember PL are bad, there is only comunismus and everyone has Fiat 126p or 125p, better ones have Lada :P And to be sure those are things they remember when went out from here.

The second type of emigration is for money, recent years. I know this very well, my best friends moved to the UK. This step changed them completely... but those people have clear view what's going here.

My opinion about Polonia is that everyone can be OK and everyone can be bad. I'm not speaking in general, because I'm not going to value people.

P.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Feb 2008 /  #52
In my opinion even long-time emigrant who visit Poland from time to time but regularly follow situation in Poland, reading much about it might vote wiser than a lot of Poles, those who are little interested but vote because this is "patriotic thing to do". No matter whether you are emigrant or living in Poland, if you have no clue about politics then your "patriotic things to do" is to stay out. Political parties think otherwise, because ignorant voters consist always the largest share of their electorate.

Sadek thinks probably that 20 millions of Polonia have Polish citizenship and may influence the elections... If PO voters like him dislike Polonia so much, vote for UPR. Pure and simple. :)
kioko - | 84  
1 Feb 2008 /  #53
I think that if someone seels Polish, than he is Polish. I admire people whe search for their roots. But being Polish doesn't meen you know how it is to live here. even if you visit Polans every fer years. Last elections showed the difference between Polish people who emigrated to work in last few years and Poles who were born abroad or emigrated long time ago. UK Polonia voted on PO because they realised the situation ander PiS rule. USA Polonia voted on PiS, and that made me shocked!

I think that making general opinions in such toppic is not good. I don't know all Polonia in the world, and Polonia doesn't know all Poles living in Poland.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Feb 2008 /  #54
UK Polonia voted on PO because they realised the situation ander PiS rule. USA Polonia voted on PiS, and that made me shocked!

Why, they are all the same. They are realizing exactly the same policy.
Sadek 4 | 136  
1 Feb 2008 /  #55
USA Polonia voted on PiS, and that made me shocked!

I think it is progress because before they were voting on neo nazists form LPR
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Feb 2008 /  #56
Of course LPR are not any Nazis. Recently they had even better voting record than PO, laughable. According to the Polish Chamber of Commerce.
Sadek 4 | 136  
1 Feb 2008 /  #57
Of course LPR are not any Nazis.

are you sure ...
kioko - | 84  
1 Feb 2008 /  #58
Recently they had even better voting record than PO

That is the funniest thing I've heard for a very long time!! !! They didn't even get to the Parliament!
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Feb 2008 /  #59
Sadek

Without 'GW' commentary:

That is the funniest thing I've heard for a very long time!! !! They didn't even get to the Parliament!

Your statement suggest somehow that the current parliament doing something.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
1 Feb 2008 /  #60
Blimey - such hostility..

If people decide to leave the country of their birth to make a better life for themselves so be it, it's been happening for a long time, if someone cant be arsed leaving to make make their life better, suck it! tough!

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