Is there anything worse than Polish rap?

Because of that:


I thought a little lesson in music was needed....


Hmmm....hard to not use more than 2 syllablles...just one thought for the night:

CLASSICS!

How much german music and composers account for worldwide known classics, admired and played even after centuries and how much of this contemporary idolized crap will survive the times still be known next year or in ten years from now on, not to mention centuries?

A guess??? :)

PS: Just because anglophone music with english text are the fashion right now it doesn't mean it's better or will last...
How much contemporary german music do you know?

a subjective word and you still seem to be living in the past -


no idea... but i listen to music from the 4Os 5Os 6Os 7Os 8Os... etc etc that continues to be as influential today as it was when first composed... more so in some cases...

contemporary german music has never impressed me... largely influenced by white people with strange haircuts and clothes... not that there is anything worng with these people, i just think their musical tastes are limited...

ive been subjected to the german versions of MTV, VIVA etc but most of the germans ive hung out with aound the world have chosen to listen to music not produced in their own country... which i have never had problems understanding


if this is all you have to make your comparison with then i understand where youre coming from... expand your horizons... theres alot more to the world of music...

Says all...really!

:)
Oookaaaay.....*backs out cautiously*

exactly

perhaps you could point me in the direction of something different...

:)

German composers have still not been surpassed.Nobody has yet discovered any form they did not know(exception is the jazz music which uses different harmony).What kind of scales do you think heavy metal uses?The classical ones.The Beatles,the blues,the rock 'n' roll have added nothing in particular in terms of harmony that was not known.Only drums use is different.

Jazz is a completely different story.

how the h*ll would i know... what do you take me for...?

Blues,classic rock mainly uses the minor pentatonic scale which was popular in folk songs all over Europe and is the main scale in blues.You can instantly recognized it.B.B. King and other artists added more notes and built some blues scales.Hendrix did other interventions.

Heavy metal uses simply the classical scales the ones used by classical composers.Malmsteen,Van Halen play classical harmony on guitar,that is all.Nothing that Beethoven could not recognize.

Worse - Polish reggae

Southern, sometimes you scare the living crap outta me. You know that? :)

I agree Beethoven et al are notable German composers, but there just don't seem to be any quality German musicians these days. I mean, David Hasselhof surely cannot be counted as a musician right?? He's a bit crap/ Sorry no, I mean... he's Very crap :)

David Hasselhof cannot be counted as a german in the first place....

Hasselhoff Mauser...he's American, but he has a music career in Germany...that's about it.

He had one hit "Looking for freedom" at the time the wall fell...WOW! What a career!

Nothing against an hugely endless soap about safe guards with washboard abs and silicon breasts running around in California...:)

....not that I ever did watch it of course....*ahem*....somebody told me....*cough*

Polish rap is sh*t, I have just been subjected to it for over half an hour (whilst on teh bus) because some inconsiderate kunt wanted to listen to it on his fekin sh*tty mp3 playing mobile!!!

i still believe that some of the best hip hop is produced in poland... not a lot, but some...

Let me explain a little about the history of 'rap'...rap actually evolved out of what is called 'scat singing', a type of jazz singing where the vocalist would try to imitate the sound of a horn with voice: it was also accompanied by either improvised or written

lyrics...this evoved in the 60's into a use of spoken word narrations/poetry that would also be used by various jazz artists...the first 'rap' record I can remember was called

'Hustler's Convention' by an R&B artist named Lightnin' Rod (accompanied by Kool & the
Gang) which came out in the 70's...it was an album length story of a convention or meeting of pimps & drug dealers, with a good moral at the end of the story...it was quite

imaginative...the jazz poet Gil Scott Heron also used poetry & rap on his records in the
70's...present day 'rap' has roots in Jamaica where it was called 'toasting'...in other words, some guy with a big mouth would spout off over an instrumental record...this

form was brought to NYC by Jamaican immigrants & was picked up by American Blacks...
the first American 'rap' records were produced by the Sugar Hill label in NJ, including the
hits 'The Message' & 'White Lines', both urban morality tales...there were actual musicians playing instruments behind the rappers...then it evoved into 'Hip-Hop' with

some good groups like Public Enemy & De La Soul etc...
Unfortunately 'rap' has become a vehicle for verbal violence & pornography, and in the
end it just portrays a very degrading picture of African-American community & culture, and creates a pschopathology in the Black community...many of the owners, movers & shakers in this 'rap' industry are Ashkenazim or Jewish...take this as you will & do some

research...'rap' is a very cheap form to produce as it involves only computer generated
backing/beats, & some one with a big mouth to spout trash/nonsense in order to make
a 'product'...I have not heard much Polish 'rap', but most likely it is a variation on this
theme.

I concur. Sweet beats.

I'm sorry I didn't know! Then I suppose I cannot say that I know of any modern German musicians in the first place.

I remember those!!!

I don’t understand people who keep telling that they don’t like rap. The only thing they state is: I am not able to understand. It’s like somebody would boast about being braindamaged: “Oh Yes, a half of my brain is damaged so I cannot understand a lot but still I can hate it” It’s a shame and pathetic, isn’t it?

Some people in this forum gave you a bit of an insight of the history of the rap cultural phenomenon - so if you don’t enjoy the music, don’t listen to it - but don’t go around like an moronic missionary saying that rap would be crap. This is plain stupid and it shows and tells only one thing: that you are shallowbrained, that’s all.

Look, on the one side a cultural phenomenon that has conquered the whole world, that has produced masses of music artists, that has deeply stirred millions of people - and on the other you little philistine bragging that you are plain stupid and proud of it. This is how it looks like.

And German hip hop is extremely beautiful - do you know Jan Delay, Mr. Gentleman, Mellow Bag, Absolute Beginners? The very German phenomenon is that they go by without aggression in their lyrics.

hip hop was the most influencial musical genre in the latter half of last century and will continue to influence musicians for decades to come...

... it also gave voice to a previously unheard from group of society which i guess upsets some people... and those some people will always be happy with what they are spoon fed by the established music industry... anyone for pop idol...?

Hip-hop is not a 'music' made by musicians...it is made by a 'producer' manipulating digital/computer technology...if you enjoy 'music' as something with the human element removed, then enjoy hip-hop...there is a 'vocalist' who will spew some psuedo-political/

cultural BS over top of the machine 'music' but this is all...Hip-Hop & many of the heavily
staged & produced rock concerts that are presented nowadays remind me mostly of the
'spectatcles' that the National Socialist party used to present in Germany...as far as an
'influential' musical genre, this was because the record companies discovered how cheap
it was to produce & flooded the market with it...Rap represents a degeneration of culture...as does the video industry...it is a form of mind-control.

I like this theory joe, it’s very funny xD

Interesting theory... where is it from?? So hip hop is not "music" because its made by someone using technology (i.e. machines like computers, mixers, etc.) to form the basis of the songs...in that case...is real music to you only made by someone who doesn't use technology as the main basis of songs??

Music is something that touches people's hearts... Liking a piece of music - whether its rap, classical, rock, techno, etc. - is so instinctual. You cannot *make* yourself like any music. No amount of intellectualisation will succeed in making someone like or dislike a song.

It is "an art of sound expressing ideas and emotions... using elements of rhythm, melody, harmony and colour" - to quote Dictionary.com

It is "the art of combining vocal or instrumental sounds in a pleasing way. " - to quote the compact Oxford English dictionary.

Your argument in favour of considering "rap" to be "music" lacking the human element is hardly convincing. The human element is in the way the rap song has been composed. True, a lot of music these days (not just rap but also pop and rock music) are produced utilising a lot of computer technology, but the real brain behind every song is a human-being, not the computer. The computer is just a tool - albeit a powerful tool - but still a tool nonetheless, a tool to produce sounds, just like musical instruments are tools to produce sounds. Its the musician who composes the structure of the song, its the musician who composes the lyrics and the meanings behind the lyrics... The musician is the master of the song. He is the human element, and his music is a creative expression of himself - this is the human element in all songs, whether it be rap, classical, rock, etc. You cannot just ask a tool (i.e. computer, music instruments) to make music on its own. It just doesn't. A computer may be created which can automatically produce harmonious melodies, but who created such a computer, and who programmed it in the first place to make melodies with such-and-such chord progressions and loops?? A human being...

I still consider rap to be music - and anyone else who has appreciated a rap song or melody would still think so. It doesn't make us robots.

And what you said about "many of the movers and shakers in the rap industry are ashkenazi jews" just sounds a bit far-fetched... I take it you are only referring to WHITE rappers like Beastie Boys?? I like them, but I don't think that the Beastie Boys constitute the majority of the "many movers and shakers in the rap industry" that you were referring to.

I consider 'rap' to be a dehumanized/degraded form because it is basically is a 'reductionism'...both 'musical' & lyrical elements are reduced/stripped down to an

Orwellian mechanism that negates emotion & though...in fact, in the book '1984', Orwell
decribed a type of computerized music machine called a 'versificator', that was programmed to generate 'popular songs', something like rap, that were then played continuously over the telescreens & sound systems, to pacify & entertain the 'proles'...

sound familiar?...again, rap in it's infancy contained some worthwhile content, but once
the corporate media got a hold of it, it was reduced to a cut & paste psychobabble...as
far as the ownership of the music industry & media & Jews, just do a little research...MTV
is owned by Sumner Redstone AKA Murray Rothstein, son Jewish mafia kingpin Arnold
Rothstein, who was a partner of Meyer Lansky...you will find these same connections in
EVERY media outlet, with the possible exception of Bertlesmann AG, which seems to be
owned by a former Nazi supporter...as for the Beastie Boys, they are complete no-talent
garbage, and have contributed nothing of value to any cultural form...as my comments may seem rather heavy, I am a musician who grew up in the 60's and was influenced by

all the Jazz greats, Jimi Hendrix, the British bands & the great California groups...I have
watched music become a corporate product like toilet paper & it makes me disgusted...
but there is some good in any art form, & I think that hip-hop does have some potential
in that way...so if you like it,enjoy.

joe - what distinction do you make between 'rap' and hip hop..?

Not much, but hip-hop, when I heard the term used a lot in the 90's by some groups,
jazz musicians & artists, seemed to have more of a content...musicians like Miles Davis
& Branford Marsalis made some recordings using interesting recordings using hip-hop
rythmns & spoken word/poetry along w/the 'cut & paste' elements that are the basics of
the form...there were even some painters who made experiments in this style...'rap' to me is the more hard-core element, with the most mechanical & dead

rythmns & egocentric lyrics...this form has no musical content to me: it is a collage form
the cut & paste of noise/violence...I may be old-fashioned, but I feel that the obsession
with computer generated images, both audio & visual, are extremely dehumanizing &
lead to a certain extreme stress/psychosis in both the 'artist' & the listener/viewer...the
famous German techno group Kraftwerk used to talk about their fascination with a
certain 'intercourse' between men & machines, but I find this 'reasoning' has gone way
too far.

for me, hip hop is one of the most exciting musical styles because it encorporates and borrows from so many different and exciting places... taking, shaping, blending, mixing others' creations to produce something new, and the producer or dj who does this effectively is as much a musician as any traditional intsrument player... a man, 2 turntables, a microphone and a set of speakers is what brought hip hop from the streets of the 7Os to the clubs, radiostations and tv shows of today... unfortunately somewhere along the way the music industry realised they could make a bob or two and what people refer to as rap was born... so much of the musical creativity is lost and the usual focus of commercial music takes over...

Yeah, some of the rappers are brilliant, e.g. Public Enemy, or Snoop, or even 50 Cents.

Their music will survive.

But to answer the question popped oh so boldly by boleslav - yes, in my opinion there's at least one thing worse than Polish rap.

It's boleslav's posts.
:)

LOL :)

Sorry I've nothing to recommend, I lost touch with the rap scene a few years ago at this stage, more into Global Underground these days,