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Marek 4 | 867  
26 Feb 2008 /  #61
Jones,
True enough. I think it valuable as well to mention in addition to those other languages you named, that all too often the double-standard of 'practicing' vs. 'speaking' a language rears its head. Frequently, in certain countries, e.g. Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands etc., the inhabitants will rarely give a non-native, even if fluent in their language, as much as a chance to speak, yet will instantly switch to English. When this happened to yours truly, I responded "Oh, fine! So, you'd like to practice your English as well?", I was met with a smug, cold irritation: "Practice?! I think I speak English quite well, thank you very much!"

My answer: "Yes, and you seem to be a majority of one." The person was speechless.
Michal - | 1,865  
27 Feb 2008 /  #62
Chinese and Arabic the

Mind you, both Chinese and Arabic have so many dialects that I do not know how you would have enough years to live in order to master them all properly.
scrivomcdivo 3 | 10  
12 Nov 2008 /  #63
Merged: Dawać czy Dać

I am currently following a beginners' Polish course and have just learn the following phrase, "Mogę Panu dać.....?" which I am told means "I can give you....."

When I have looked up the verb "dać" in the dictionary, it says it means "to supply" or "to allow". I have looked up the verb "to give" and the dictionary gives the verb, "dawać".

My question is, which verb is most suited for the sentence, "Can I give you..." for example, "Can I give you 10 dollars?" Is it better to you "Mogę Panu dać.....? or "Mogę Panu dawać.....?"

Thanks
niepojeta - | 16  
12 Nov 2008 /  #64
hiya
follow the links, hope that helps :)

en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Polish/Conjugations_of_common_verbs
en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Polish:Verbs
karolinakanada - | 9  
12 Nov 2008 /  #65
Moge panu dac...
Don't know the proper grammatical way to explain this but you would use this form if you are referring to giving the 10 dollars ONE time.

Can I give you 10 dollars (now): Moge panu dac 10 dolarow?
Can I give you 10 dollars (every Friday for example): Moge panu dawac...
I'm sorry if this is confusing! Hope it helps.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Nov 2008 /  #66
What's the difference between daj and dawaj then?
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #67
daj

comes from dać - aspekt dokonany (perfect)

dawaj

comes from dawać - aspekt niedkonany (imperfect)

dawaj is a bit stronger than daj as well
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Nov 2008 /  #68
Thanks for your answer.
What does that answer actually mean?
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #69
i thought you'd know what aspekt dokonany and niedokonany is.
dać - to give
dawać - to be giving

dawaj can also mean hurry up, not just give [it to me]
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Nov 2008 /  #70
i thought you'd know what aspekt dokonany and niedokonany is

A bit, but I don't get it in the context of the imperative.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #71
it's like when you say:
rób to (which comes from robić which is imperfect) it's like you were saying keep doing it
zrób to (which comes from zrobić which is perfect) it's like you were saying do this NOW

it's a bit awkward with daj and dawaj, but i suppose it makes sense when you translate it like this:
daj to - give it
dawaj to - keep giving it
but here both of those forms can be understood as give it NOW, and dawaj is actually stronger and sorta more aggressive than daj

is it any clearer now?
Hueg - | 320  
12 Nov 2008 /  #72
so if I was asking for a hammer, one could be seen as the weaker 'pass me the hammer (when you've got a mo)' and the other as 'Give me the bloody hammer'?
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #73
yes pretty much that is right
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Nov 2008 /  #74
Yes, thanks.
Hueg - | 320  
12 Nov 2008 /  #75
ta muchly J :)
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #76
no problemo :) an even softer version of daj is podaj (pass on). and then there's podaj and podawaj, pass on and keep passing on ;)
Hueg - | 320  
12 Nov 2008 /  #77
an even softer version

do you have one in bubble wrap? :) Interesting stuff J. This kind of thing facinates and infuriates to the same degree. It's why languages are great fun and natives so vital. You can't find this kind of thing in the library. :)
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #78
no unfortunately i don't work in a library :) if i ever need help with English idioms and slang words i will give you a shout lol
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Nov 2008 /  #79
I thought that you are the library.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #80
if anything, i'm the dictionary ;)
Switezianka - | 463  
12 Nov 2008 /  #81
dać - to give
dawać - to be giving

:P
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Nov 2008 /  #82
yes as in i am giving, you are giving, sort of like present continuous
plg 17 | 263  
1 Jan 2009 /  #83
Merged: Imperfective & perfective

Translate please>

Ja mówię= I speak/talk
Ja mówiłem=I spoke/talked
Ja powiedziałem=

Ja rozumiem=I understand
Ja rozumiałem=I understood
Ja zrozumiałem=

As you see i have answered the first two myself........because after that i get confused...........................

Am i correct in thinking that POWIEDZIALEM & ZROZUMIALEM are PAST PARTICPLES?

as talk/speak are present tense &
talked/spoke are both past tense

so would the missing answers be> talked/spoken and understood?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
1 Jan 2009 /  #84
Powiadzialem - I said. I think this might be the one to use when recalling what someone said.
There is the future form as well, but I'm already beyond my depth with the past and present.

Happy New Year.
plg 17 | 263  
1 Jan 2009 /  #85
THAT DOES NOT HELP

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
1 Jan 2009 /  #86
There are a few threads about dokonane/niedokonane on these forums, have you read them?

And of course a belated Happy New Year!
plg 17 | 263  
2 Jan 2009 /  #87
where on this forum??
pomorzanin  
3 Jan 2009 /  #88
I have a small question, because somebody said me, that

Czytałem książkę - I was reading a book.
Przeczytałem książkę - I read a book.

Is this correct or more complicated? If yes maybe it helps sb.
welshguyinpola 23 | 463  
3 Jan 2009 /  #89
Basically Przeczytalem indicates a more complete action, so I read it and finished it, whereas czytalem doesnt indicate how much you read.

The same is with pic & wypic. Wypick is the same in English as drink up - to the end, whilst pic is to simly drink.

The difficulty comes in the differnece between the words Przeczytam and bede czytal.

Hope this helps you a little

Sorry i couldnt be arsed to used polish letters
HAL9009 2 | 325  
3 Jan 2009 /  #90
Przeczytałem książkę -I read the book, and finished it. So it is a done thing, completed.

Czytałem książkę - I was reading a book but didn't necessarily finish it, yet.

Generally I find that any expression in English that has "...ing" in the verb will use the imperfective verb aspect in Polish; running, swimming, jumping etc.

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