UK, Ireland / I'm turning nationalistic. Want to change my views. [14]


For once I agree with BritishEmpire. :-)

Reflect on the root of the problem.

Ask - is the reason they are behaving like that a result of their nationality.

Reflect on why the situation has arisen.

Ask yourself if that is the only problem.

Decide how you should react in the short termand what you should do in the long term.

Knowing Poles, and the way people here in Poland can sometimes be, I can understan how a workplace that is half Polish could be frustrating. Especially if they (as Poles abroad) are feeling vulnerable and closing ranks. An attempt to reach out to them, outside the workplace (the separation between public and private life is bigger in Poland than the UK) might really pay off for you!

Travel / Katowice airport travel to Kedzierzyn Kozle [5]

Don't know what you mean by k-kozle, but there's a bus from Katowice Airport (which is not in or near Katowice to Katowice Station.

Edit Looking on the map, Kozle is the wrong side of Katowice, between Gliwice and Raciborz. There's probably a bus right from the airport to Gliwice - one of the posters here lives there and should be able to advise.

If not, get the bus into Katowice, and there's trains to Gliwice an Raciborz. Somebody from the christening should be able to give you a lift from there.

It won't be a difficult journey.

UK, Ireland / What Christening gift to take to Polish Christening in England? [7]

Some money, a couple of hundred zloty (50 quid) would be a nice present. Put it inside a greetings card.

Travel / Driving to Zakopane from England [21]


That's right, they aren't required by law.

They are however a condition of some (even most) insurance policies here in Poland, and when an accident occurs and the person should have winter tyres but doesn't, the insurance company will not pay out.

If you have car insurance here in PL, it's well worth checking the conditions of your policy about this.

History / Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich viceroy of Poland - What do you think of him? [11]

By today's standards certainly. By the standards of European royalty at that time, nothing unusual. He did seem to have a military obsession, fed by hero worship by the Russian cavalry, though drilling soldiers in his private rooms was perhaps taking things a bit far.

His conciliatory behaviour to (and even admiration of) the tyrant Bonaparte lost him a lot of support too.

Life / Where do you live in Poland? [19]

Warsaw. I enjoy visiting Katowice on business, and sometimes think I could live there, but Warsaw's metropolitan feel is something I wouldn't want to lose.

Is it just me, or has anybody else got the impression that there are a lot of British people living in the 3-city?

History / Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich viceroy of Poland - What do you think of him? [11]


A large part of that reason was that his second wife was Polish and not Russian. He renounced the succession shortly after marriage. His wife was catholic rather than orthodox, which meant that any children (assuming she wouldn't convert) couldn't succeed to the throne.

He was also seen as being too sympathetic to the Polish cause, and as something of a social reformer, which was very much a political hot potato in C19 Russia.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


Until you catch fleas or a disease from them.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


More likely to give you a serious disease. Those things are infested with everything.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


You'd think so. But a newspaper explained why they didn't. Something to do way the way they were thrown.

They were just street pigeons apparently.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


The post-war population movements have had an effect on this, together with the idea (held by a lot of people) that being provincial, and especially rural, is unsophisticated.

Some British accents are spreading - you can hear Liverpool accents even in South Cheshire, from young people born and bred there. 'Estuary English' is spoken over a huge area now.

The same has happened in Poland, but on a different scale.

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]


You can tell a lot about somebody when they start making insults.


Culture and heritage tends to take care of itself. It can't be manipulated no matter how much money in EU subsidies are thrown at it. Though a lot of EU money is spent on culture and heritage.

'Power and money' is what the EU is largely for. It started as a trade bloc.

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]


Where? By whom?


And Hinduism lessons, Christianity lessons. Judaism lessons too.
But not here in Poland.


Where? By whom?


Any and all religious communities are free to build their places of worship. With their own money.

Though here in Poland our tax zlotys are being spent on a giant Christian church, paid for by all, even non-Christians.

But this is off-topic. The question is whether or not Poland counts in Europe. It does. Under EU voting rules, Poland has a very large say. Poland's image is compromised right now, due to bad behaviour by the old PiS government and Pres. Kaczyński, but that is slowly changing.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

A private message I got from Shelley S. It shows what the world is up against:

Edit: the post may or may not be replaced at a later date.

in the interests of fair play... please, do not publish PM's without permission.

Thank you.

Either drink or mental health, but either way, not good.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]

I don't remember if there were non-males :-))

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]

Would have been fine if they were better looking ;-)

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]

Mingling indeed they were! The kilt lifting certainly created an impression. And proved to the old biddies of Poznań that military-style is alive and well.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


I'm not fond of either bunch but I remember the Scotland fans in Poznań a few years ago. Just plain macabre.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


Quite!

Almost everything negative I've heard people in Poland say about the British, I've seen Poles do in UK. People are people, good and bad everywhere.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


Many are from here.


I remember Hulme Crescents. That could have been great, but the people dragged it down.
Nearer my home, there's a real sink estate; it was hugely improved on EU money, but still had its reputation and a fair few of the original tenants. People wouldn't touch the place unless they had to. Now the Poles have come, they don't know the history of the place, have no qualms about accepting a council house there and at last, the area is finally becoming respectable again, with hard working families. Due to immigration.

UK, Ireland / English tossers give Brits a bad name in Poland [139]


Indeed they may well be, probably Welsh too. Not enough Manx to have an impression.

But seriously, they got off very lightly indeed, in the UK they could easily have got a custodial sentence.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]



And since they aren't going to go away, we need to make sure they thrive. And not just add to our (largely white) underclass.


I don't. But you certainly have strong views on the matter, so why not make a difference?


Districts of big cities have always had changing fortunes, even before mass immigration. There have always been slums, even some 'white flight' areas are pretty foul.


Wouldn't you 'bang on' if you were treated as a second class citizen because of the colour of your skin, hair, eyes or your nationality etc. I'd be bloody angry.


Firstly, my original posts were about Polish migrants to the UK. Another poster (who posts only on this issue) started arguing about immigration in general and 'poo coloured' people.

Secondly, check the title of the thread along with the section of the forum it is in. About Polish migrants to the UK, and English (Who knows what where the Welsh & Scots are) attitudes. Poles are a very large, and generally liked, part of our nation's population.

Thirdly, there's no 'propaganda' from me. Unlike one or two other posters in this thread. Nor am I 'lefty'.

Food / Lamb in Krakow [11]


Delicious!

I don't know if you have any branches of the £uków chain of butchers' shops in Kraków, but they take orders for offal.

Also Kuchnie Świata in Warsaw often have haggis, albeit tinned.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


What has skin colour got to do with anything?

It's interesting that a small number of posters have appeared very recently and only post on one topic, usually abusively...

**Warning** Certain messages may be from the BNP's Cyberactivism team pretending to be ordinary people who find they are siding with the BNP."

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


Sums it up really. Some people just have weird and menacing ideas about skin colour.

Just to repeat/remind:

"By the way, it's worth taking some of the posts on this thread with a pinch of salt. There seem to be a couple of posters who only seem to appear when immigration to the UK is mentioned. I've repeated the following, which some forums are now using.

**Warning** Certain messages may be from the BNP's Cyberactivism team pretending to be ordinary people who find they are siding with the BNP."

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


A bit of both at the moment. I prefer Poland, but have sad things going on and am back there more or less weekly.


Some parts of the world have a population explosion.


What is that?


It's our society, our planet. And what solutions?


I have a home here, I'm spending all my time visiting an NHS hospital, fighting my way through the maze of Social Services assessments and checking out old peoples' homes (all the private ones seem to have Polish staff, our hospitals are a melting pot), wondering, reluctantly, about returning for good. I know and live the reality. Immigration hasn't made the reality worse.


So do white kids in the inner-city.


So what to do about it other than moaning?


All but the very best and the very worst areas have constantly changed. That's the nature of society. But how to make positive change?

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


It isn't lefty propaganda - check out their (BNP) website. Some newspapers are now disabling comment functions on their online forums because of it.

I don't feel swamped. Without immigration, who's going to care for us all in our aging society? Robots? Or a nice Polish person? Nor do I see lines of 'ethnic British' unemployed people queing up to get a minimum wage job in Tesco or McDs.

It can be a shock to walk through some districts of our cities, but we have to get used to this and make the best of it.

I was looking out of my window not long ago, disturbed by noisy kids in the street. It occurred to me that none of them were completely black and none were completely white. But they were all British. They are our future - and we have to make it our society a home for them all..

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]


And what might those be?

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


:-))))))

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


Who said there was?


'ppl' like me? What people? I don't often get called a liberal! Maybe that's a compliment.


Like what?