/ Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland?
I make no secret of my hatred for Romany Gypsies.
I despise them.
They come to this country to steal, to beg and to live off of us.
They never contribute anything to society.
If they approach me on the streets, I tell them go back to their own country..... I am neither violent nor aggressive, but I am assertive, and I tell them to go back to Romania.
They won't do this of course, unless the Irish government pay them, as they did in 2007 i.e. extorted money in order to return to Romania.
I don't work in nightclubs anymore, I became tired of it but when I used to, I often did this.
I was tired of seeing them indiscriminately rob Irish, English, Polish, Lithuanian, American, African, whoever...
It is normal for all doormen and many of the regular people on the street to shout abuse at them when the see them.
At first, I was idealistic, I thought they should be treated no differently than anyone else because of their dress or their beliefs.
Then of course, I saw the reality and learned why they so adequately deserve the reputation they have garnered.
I wouldn't expect you to understand and I'm sure I've already invoked Godwin's law and you already have already labelled me a fascist.
But I'm confident that when you visit this country or the UK, then then you yourself will begin to understand, and until then you will be forming opinions on issues of which you have no knowledge or experience.
Lets ignore the credit card scams and the bank machine card copying, I have seen a number of things done by Romany gypsies which genuinely shocked me.
I have seen them rob the homeless & the people who have nothing on the coldest winter nights.
I saw them rob a man who was hit by a car & later died, not concerned with calling an ambulance, simply in relieving him of his posessions.
I have seen them rob mobile phones from young boys and girls who learn to hate them from an early age.
My opinion is that anyone who wants to come to this country and this society to work and to contribute, should be allowed to do so, regardless of their religion, their skin colour or their nationality.
I have yet to see a Romany Gypsy contribute anything other than misery.
They are a plague upon us.
Lastly, I suggest you speak to a Romanian citizen about Romany Gypsies.
They are by far the most vehement in their hatred of the Romany Gypsies.
People see the Romany Gypsies on the street and immediately associate them with Romania.
Would it surprise you to learn that many Romanian people are ashamed to admit their nationality when they come to this country?
This one truly is a gem. :)
Still, thank you for the time you spent writing this essay. It was an interesting read.
I assume you know the image of the Polish guy I'm speaking of.
The young 'blokars'/'kilar'/'biznezmen'.
Wearing their hoodies and their leather jackets.
All driving in black Bmws or Audis, with the windows tinted black.
Often drunk or on amphetamines.
Selling jobs, taking protection money from other Poles, selling cigarettes and doing 'Biznez' i.e. making profit from friends.
In truth you hear them long before you see them - the string of 'Kurwa', 'jebana sukiensyn' etc. etc.
These guys manage to use the word Kurwa as a verb, noun, adjective, adverb, preposition, conjuction etc. etc.
The most aggrivating thing is the Polish favour system - this drove me to the brink of insanity. Polish guys always wanting favours, but never paying them back, or else trying to make a profit from you if they do pay you back.
.....this is not to say all Polish people are like this - far from it.
Many Polish women are among the most decent human beings I have encountered.
In truth, many Polish men don't deserve the women they have. But many of the Polish men who came to this country in the begining, 2004, were the genuine lowlifes who weren't wanted in Poland.
The one thing that struck me unlike any other country was the difference between the Polish in Ireland and the Poles in Poland.
The Poles in Poland were some of the nicest, genuine, decent people I ever had the pleasure to meet.
The Poles in Ireland were .............sharks.
Of course, things changed, after 2004 we had many good Poles arrive.
Many of the bad ones have moved on, because they have used up the good will or their lies are no longer believed.
But still, this crisscrossed American/Russian gangster seems to persist among young Polish guys.
I spoke about this to my ex-girlfriends father and brother.
They told me in simple terms:
These guys are from deep, dark villages - they have probably never seen money before, they come here, they get a job, they finally have money and they don't know how to behave.
They make me ill, lol.
Poland is an amazing country, with an amazing history and one of the toughest breeds of people in the world. I just find it a shame that these guys disguise their identity so much and are so superficial, that they are almost ashamed of being Polish.
Instead they adpot the faux Italian/Russia Gangster with a dash of Eminem thrown in.
(before anyone tries to say this is like any other country - its not!)
Lord spare me!
Russians and Poles prefer the same places for vaccations,drink the same and leave the same impressions.Overall they strive for comfort.The Russians do the same things like the Poles and share common views they are just more primitive and direct while Poles are obviously more europeanised.
What makes you believe that Russian people are primitive?
If you are referring to the villagers in Central Asia, then I guess some of them could be.
But if you have met a Muscovite for example, I often think Irish people are primitive in comparison to the Russians.
In Moscow, you need a degree just to work in a sweet shop, lol.
St.Petersburg, incredible history/architecture, highly educated and cultured people.
I have to disagree with this comment:
"Russians and Poles prefer the same places for vaccations,drink the same and leave the same impressions."
I can't speak for Poland now as I don't have much contact with the nation anymore, other than my friends here, but many of the Poles in Ireland and the UK visit the same destinations as us. The only barriers are economic.
Personally, I don't drink alcohol, but I worked as a bouncer for many years so I have a pretty good idea about this country.
Poles generally don't like to go to pubs/nightclubs in this country.
They prefer to go to house parties and drink/use drugs in the company of other Poles.
It is quite rare to see a Polish man drinking in a pub, however, they frequently buy large amounts of the cheapest beer. That is not an criticisim by the way, just an observation.
I woudn't think to criticise Polish men for not wanting to participate in Irish night life.
There is a massive difference in Polish and Irish nightlife, everything from opening times to closing times and all that goes in between.
Many women are way of Polish men because so many of them were lying about being married and were having affairs here.
Polish women do go out from time to time, but other in the company of other females.
It is quite rare to see a Polish men and women together in a venue unless it is a social even for their job or something.
I hope I'm not coming across as derogatory to Polish men here, I don't intend to be.
I am simply sharing my experiences.
I have seen a number of good Polish friends get used by Polish women. Often they are treated as commodities. Some of them can be quite cold hearted and use men as ladders, jumping from one ladder to a better ladder when they see an opportunity to climb higher.
dannyboy may I ask you a simple question:
What is your knowledge of Russians based on ?
As for me you're totally missing the point with your rather superficial opinions.
I'll say more .
You don't understand them at all.
My partner is Russian, as are her family.
I speak the Russian language reasonably well, I have visited the country and met a great number of Russian people and former Soviet Satellites.
Russians, Lithuanians and Poles living in Ireland are among some of my best friends.
I have travelled throughout Eastern Europe, but most heavily in Poland, Lithuania and Russia.
I used to speak Polish quite well, but have forgotten a large portion now as its not very useful outside of Poland and many Polish friends have left Ireland during the economic crisis.
Russian is an extremely useful language and somewhat easier to learn than Polish, as it is more standardised. All international languages have to be standarised for non-natives to learn.
You may label my opinions as superficial if you wish, I don't mind. I'm simply sharing my experiences which I believe to be the truth.
As for the point which I have missed, what point is that?
I haven't seen you offer any points to be refuted, not even conjecture, so I'm not quite sure it is what I am supposed to be missing.
I know it is often a bitter pill for the uber-patriotic North Korean.......sorry, I mean uber-patriotic Poles to swallow. That is the bitter pill of truth that they are not the greatest people on the planet, and that other nations and other cultures also have many admirable qualities and triumphs.
All I have seen you offer is simply mildly offensive stereotype about 70% of Russians being pro-communist and drinking vodka on October days in their summer houses.
I believe it is actually you who is likely ignorant of the truth.
(Also for your information, somewhat ironically, many of the Poles I met in Central Poland commented to me that they missed the communist times when life was easier and they had a 13th paycheck at Xmas and there was less crime etc.
In constrast, only a small portion of the Russians have wished for the old communist days back, as they offset of financial trouble would not be compensated adequately by the loss of liberties)
Believe me, I used to share these opinions of the Russians in the old days, when my only opinions were obtained from Poles.
But then a funny thing happened.......I grew up.
Many years ago, I used to believe the English were demons with horns..........and now funnily enough, probably my favourite people on the planet are English.
Because I got out there and met English people, I rejected the propaganda and saw what fantastic people the English really are.
Times change and people move on.
It is your job to sift through the propaganda and discover the truth.
If you take your opinions from magazines and gym locker talk and biased media & political commentary, you will never know who you hate or why you hate them.
You will simply recite generalised abstract nonsense, with no experience of your own.
The only way to do this is. Get out there and meet people of the nationality it is you claim are so bad.
Lastly, allow me to return the question:
What is your knowledge of Russians based on ?
Hmm, they still think that western europeans are more cultured and progressive... is it true? What is the components of their "culture"? Why these descendants of slave-holders still flatters themselves, without sense of shame they are more cultural?
Western European does not equal 'more cultured'.
Allow me to simplify.
I defy anyone to visit Prague or Budapest and then tell me that Warsaw or Vilnius or Riga are more highly cultured.
Prague is quite a fascinating place with an atmosphere not unlike Rome.
Personally, I love Warsaw, but it could never equal Prague.
The only place in Poland that comes close (of which I am aware) is Krakow in the summer & possibly Zakopane during the high season - incredible atmosphere.
The Western European implication only intended to imply that they are the most Western European of the Slavic community.
I doubt anyone could argue they are the most progressive.
Poland is still locked in a power struggle, as are many of the larger countries.
My comment as regards progressive was in technical excellence.
I have heard a million sob stories from Poles about how highly skilled they are, the best in Europe etc. etc.
Or I often heard how over-qualified so many of the Poles were, yet when I learned to speak their language, their friends will laugh at the lies they told.
The reality is that many of these guys claim to have degrees coming out their arses when they are in this country because they are inexplicably ashamed of whatever it is they do, yet when they are back in Poland, many of them admit the truth that they no qualifications.
To be fair, this is likely a characteristic of the immigrant society as opposed to Polish society as a whole.
In my office, there are 9 Eastern European workers in high skilled software jobs and exactly 0 of them are Polish.
If these guys ears worked as well as their mouths, they may start to get somewhere.