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Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland?


Crow 146 | 9,106  
30 Apr 2009 /  #1
as a Serbian i wanted to ask. I am curious what Poles and other people here thinks about this

i myself do believe that Germany isn`t Germany but Greater Germany. Germany as a state is created on the account of Slavs. Territories of eastern Germany should be part of Poland and if people who live there ever start to think in that dirrection, Germany should not complaint
southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Apr 2009 /  #2
Territories of eastern Germany should be part of Poland

What territories exactly?
freebird 3 | 532  
30 Apr 2009 /  #3
Territory of eastern Germany rightfully belong to Poland?

what a bull. C'mon guys you can't be serious about it.:-)
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
30 Apr 2009 /  #4
What territories exactly?

what about Western Pomerania, Upper and Lower Lusatias, Bavaria, Prusia?

i stand on statement that Germany is Greater Germany that steals a lot of territories from Slavic world, particulary from Poland. Greater Germany assimilated numerous Slavs

what a bull. C'mon guys you can't be serious about it.:-)

are you aware of realty? When you fail to protect what is yours, your foes coming to take more. That`s the old rule

See this...

Slavic (Obodrite) toponyms in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania), today`s Germany

Historic monuments in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern

SIGNS OF SLAVIC EXISTANCE

all-in-all.com/english/8032.htm

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern boasts an impressive collection of ancient monuments. They are witness to the settlements of the region since the end of the Ice Age. Those on land and in water include earlier trading posts, settlements, fortifications, burial sites and centres of culture.

southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Apr 2009 /  #5
Bavaria

Bavaria lies in west Germany.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #6
see, you are right. More then that what is today`s eastern Germany belong to Slavic world.

Germany is realy Greater Germany, monstruous state, machine for assimilation of Slavs. Eastern Germany is minimum that Germany needs to give back to Poland, if seeks to be considered as democratic country.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,945  
1 May 2009 /  #7
Bavaria lies in west Germany.

I thought it was the southern area Southern, Catholics etc.
I agree on all of Prussia and now excisting borders, other then that it is up to the people living there to descide I say.
whiteandproud  
1 May 2009 /  #8
Typical polish victim mentality. The russians did this to us, the germans did that. We are so weak blaa blaa blaa.

get a backbone
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #10
it is up to the people living there to descide I say

i am sure, one day people there would decide to separate from Germany and join with Poland. Majority of people there are simple assimilated Slavs

i have contacts with some Lusatians, over Pan-Serbian movement and, i can say that both- Lusatian and Balkan Serbs desire that Polish state expand

we live in time when geo-strategic envioroment repidly changes. In a blink of an eye Polish state could expand from Baltic to Balkan. In its essence it would be simple restoration of Sarmatia Europea, something natural
thebear45 1 | 67  
1 May 2009 /  #11
Pan-Serbian movement and, i can say that both- Lusatian and Balkan Serbs desire that Polish state expand

do pan-serbian movement desire for greater albania for the protection??
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #12
you are Albo joker
ShortHairThug - | 1,103  
1 May 2009 /  #13
Most land of East Germany and coastal lands of Germany were settled by Slavic tribes. One such group was called Polab Slavs made up of these tribes; Chyżanie, Czrezpienianie, Tolężanie and Redarowie and smaller groups like Wkrzanie, Morzycy and Rzeczanie. The second large group was called Serbsko-£użycka group who were made up by such tribes as; £użyczanie, Miliczanie, Selpoli, Bieżuńczanie, Serbowie, Żytycy, Koledzicy, Żyrmuntowie, Susłowie and Dalemińcy.

During the reign of Karol Wielki or Carolus Magnus in case you still wonder who it is you might know him as Charlemagne there was a border established between Germanic tribes and Slavic tribes the so called “limes Saxoniae” which ran along the Elbe river all the way to where the mouth of the river finally reaches the sea. Lands east of that line were not forced to take on the Christianity and Charlemagne was satisfied whith just the tribute being oaid to him by the Slavic princes who ruled that land and for the moste part were allied with him against their rival Germanic tribes. That was in the year 789 after the Charlemagne's and his Germanic allies campaign against prince of the Wielet tribe Dragowit.

In 795 prince Wiczan was assassinated by the German tribe Sas during the German rebellion against Charlemagne and the Franks, and in 798 prince Drożko defeats the German tribe Sas at the battle of Święciana. Even after the death of Charlemagne in 814 there was relative peace and quiet till around the year 844 when Ludwik the German initiates his eastward campaign against the Slavic tribes. Not until the death of the last Rugian prince Waclaw III in 1325 that the Germans are finally in the full control of the lands that are East Germany and the coast west of Oder river.

I think that as the last survivors of the Slavic Tribes in that region the Serbs should govern the region as their own, after all it is.

PS Sorry for the Polish names but I don't feel like looking up the English equivalent of those names
MarcinK - | 36  
1 May 2009 /  #14
Should the territories of Eastern Germany belong to Poland? No.

What territories exactly?

what about Western Pomerania, Upper and Lower Lusatias, Bavaria, Prusia?

I guess you mean the German states of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Brandenburg, Sachsen and Berlin, where would one even begin to justify such a wild and radical claim? Especially for Bavaria? These were once Slavic lands (not Bavaria), emphasis on the word were, they are not anymore. The only native Slavs remaining there today are the Sorbs but so what? They've been given some degree of autonomy, no matter how token it happens to be. They are still a very small minority in Germany.

Germany is realy Greater Germany, monstruous state, machine for assimilation of Slavs.

I've always considered Germany a creation of Bismark, and Bismark a creation of Prussia. If it is for the assimilation of Slavs, then the Deutschlanders are doing a pretty bad job. Whilst they look at us Slavs, which I doubt they are doing or care to even do, they should be looking at the Mohammedians, a much more serious threat to Germany than us Slavs ever where or would care to be. Three years ago the Germany's federal statistics office itself claimed that by 2050 Germany would be more Arab than German, more Mohammedian than whatever the hell it is now. They also claimed it was irreversible.

Eastern Germany is minimum that Germany needs to give back to Poland, if seeks to be considered as democratic country.

Germans don't owe us anything other than the liberty we deserve to take care of ours and our own on our own, which is respecting our sovereignty, or whatever sovereignty us Poles have left. I am curious as to what you believe would be the maximum Germany would owe Poland?

it is up to the people living there to descide I say.

And I'd seriously doubt that they'd want to break away from the German Federation and join Poland. In my experience East Germans, and oddly enough Bavarians (Catholics for Christ's sake), have a very low opinion of us Poles, I'd seriously doubt they'd want in.

we live in time when geo-strategic envioroment repidly changes.

If you're talking Europe, it changes rapidly in favor of the Mohammedian.

In a blink of an eye Polish state could expand from Baltic to Balkan.

How?

In its essence it would be simple restoration of Sarmatia Europea, something natural

Sarmatyzm, one day it will stop, at least I'm hoping. So you're for the other 'R', restoration, and for 'Sarmatia Europea', which seems to me the same as Piłsudski's 'Międzymorze', which would in my opinion bring out the exact same results.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
1 May 2009 /  #15
crow... if you start splitting hairs then eatern prussia is really german... so is the western poland the the lands you refer to.. those were all vandal or goth or other germanic band lands. even lesser poland could be construed to be germanic from pre-slav time.
freebird 3 | 532  
1 May 2009 /  #16
they should be looking at the Mohammedians, a much more serious threat to Germany than us Slavs

you're right about that 1

To Crow and all of you who think like Crow
European history is very complicated. Nowadays it's really hard to determine which territory belongs to who or better said, who it used to belong to. It's a same with famous people who once lived within these territories. To answer questions like for example who was Copernicus etc. we would have to go back in time and ask who he really felt to be because the western part of nowadays Poland use to change hands all the time in the past. As long as people will be trying to solve territorial problems using patriotic paroles and following own country's propaganda I don't see any sense in discussing it because no one will ever give up his point.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #17
How?

it is obvious that so called west have great interest to invest in power of Germany, to preserve might of that country.

I mean, look how THEY rebulded Germany after WWII. You would maybe say- because of communist threat. Well, don`t be naive. After all, look how Germany was created in a long campaigns of Teutonic order. If we analize only example of Grunwald battle where Poles/Slavs fortunately won, we would found that it wasn`t only Germany/Germanics who took part in Grunwald battle but that there were also knights from all around that time western Europe.

Then, it is very well known that word `slave` in languages of so called west coming from the ethnic name of Slavs. Its because Romans, Teutons and others from so called west hunted Slavs without mercy and when they found that captured people called each others `Slavs` (meaning/designated/reffering on... we who are able to talk, comparing to mute invaders) among themselves word `slave` started to be designation for people who aren`t free- slaves. Before that, deeper in past, in time when all Slavs used name of Sarmatians as their universal designation word `servus/servant` was born in languages of invaders on the same principle as word `slave`. SLAVJANI >>> `slaves`// SARMATI >>> ` Latin. servus/ Eng. servants`. So, our ancestors wetre turned into the servants and slaves of so called west.

Why should newer generations of Slavs accept same treatment, i asking you? Slavs should stop to complaint and retraet. On `drang nach osten` Slavic world should respond with ideas in movement in opposite dirrection.

In the same time i am all for peace but just look how so called west expand (non-Slavic Europe) while Slavic world rapidly loosing its population and territories. Slavic world is in decline and you know why? Because Slavic world failed to respond on chalange, that`s why. Who gives a sh** who is Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant among Slavs when hostile non-Slavs continuing to constantly expand for more then 2000 years. Who gives a sh**, i telling to you.

It is time that Slavic world invest in Poland same way as so called west invested and investing in Germany. If Germany represent eastern tower of so called west, let Poland become western tower of Slavic world. Let us Slavs forget stupid differences (which are BDW imported and imposed on us) and let`s work togather if we were to survive as Slavs. Today we are still able to do something for our children, tomorrow would Arabs deciding for them if this very generation fails.

Let us save what we can save, let Russia open its resources under privileged conditions to Poland. I hope Russia is aware of situation and Russians already think in this dirrection. Somehow i sensing that Russian stance on Poland dramaticaly changing in positive dirrection.

get a backbone

o da [oh, yes]

it is inevitable that we start to work a little on Polish attitude. Poland has its obligations to itself and to Slavija

Well, how to awake something what sleep, you might ask?

Racowie (Serbians) are among Poles already
plk123 8 | 4,149  
1 May 2009 /  #18
`slave` in languages of so called west coming from the ethnic name of Slavs.

please look into the entimology of the word "slav".. what you said is all bunk.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #19
you are the one who should learn...

[Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see Slav.]

Source: Farlex
thefreedictionary.com/slave

The Slavs called themselves Slovani, that is, "the speaking ones", those who know words, while they called their neighbours the Germans, "the dumb", that is, those who do not know words.

Source: The Catholic Encyclopedia, The Slavs
newadvent.org/cathen/14042a.htm
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
1 May 2009 /  #20
Crowie is right!

I'm all for an open referendum where all eastern Germans get to decide if they want to become polish or stay german...let's do it! :)

So Crowie, just in case the outcome is not that what you wish for, how would you proceed?
Borrka 37 | 594  
1 May 2009 /  #21
I'm all for an open referendum

No need to waste mindlessly Bundesmoney.
We all know - deep in your hearts you are Lusitians.

BB, be the first one who tell it loud to European public.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
1 May 2009 /  #22
i myself do believe that Germany isn`t Germany but Greater Germany. Germany as a state is created on the account of Slavs. Territories of eastern Germany should be part of Poland and if people who live there ever start to think in that dirrection, Germany should not complaint

I concur, its scientifically proven that Germans originate in South America, Brazil still has large native populations of Germans.

[Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see Slav.]

So um, who was this mysterious slaver of Slavs? (i so went into this one).
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,424  
1 May 2009 /  #23
No need to waste mindlessly Bundesmoney.
We all know - deep in your hearts you are Lusitians.

BB, be the first one who tell it loud to European public.

Why "Bundesmoney"???
Crowie should pay for the referendum...he want's something after all! :)

I concur, its scientifically proven that Germans originate in South America, Brazil still has large native populations of Germans.

*nods*
Especially southern Brazil is full of them...that's why they are so good at fotbol!
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
1 May 2009 /  #24
Why "Bundesmoney"???
Crowie should pay for the referendum...he want's something after all! :)

And then it'll turn up Germans want to join with Serbia and Crows brain goes *POP*
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 May 2009 /  #26
Nowadays it's really hard to determine which territory belongs to who or better said, who it used to belong to.

Of course Crow is a dreamer and even himself is aware of that.

Anyway, just another simple issue that you find hard to resolve. How about various territories belong to certain owners?
MarcinK - | 36  
1 May 2009 /  #27
In a blink of an eye Polish state could expand from Baltic to Balkan.

Let me rephrase the question since you didn't answer it. How will the Polish state expand from the Baltic to the Balkans? Just keep in mind that I believe Poles don't even have a state, not one that serves their greater good or interests for that matter.

I mean, look how THEY rebuilt Germany after WWII.

Who are 'they'?

it is obvious that so called west have great interest to invest in power of Germany, to preserve might of that country.

What might? Most of that might is backed by the overwhelming power of 'American Sunshine' and the 'Po Boys and Gals' of America's countryside, small towns and urban slums.

Why should newer generations of Slavs accept same treatment, i asking you?

A Slav should no better than to ask that question since he knows the Slav makes for a poor slave. When the master commands 'go and work', the Slav replies 'right away sir' and goes right back to his card game.

Slavic world is in decline and you know why?

I know exactly why; discarding our obligations for the shallowness of having none (material cosmopolitanism?), embracing the culture of death and nihilism or near nihilism (neo-hedonism?) and having no reservations with it at all.

Who gives a sh** who is Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant among Slavs...

Slavs who are Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant.

It is time that Slavic world invest in Poland same way as so called west invested and investing in Germany.

Hasn't happened, isn't happening, won't happen.

Today we are still able to do something for our children, tomorrow would Arabs deciding for them if this very generation fails.

If you mean my generation, 18-25 year old's, then this generation has already failed, which places the children of this generation in an even more dire situation, but I believe that to be a very good thing, hard times breed hard asses.

Let us Slavs forget stupid differences (which are BDW imported and imposed on us) and let`s work togather if we were to survive as Slavs.

Pan-Slavism?

Let us save what we can save

You can only save that which is in your hands not that which is out of them, that means dealing with the cards you've been dealt. Case in point, Kosovo.

Somehow i sensing that Russian stance on Poland dramaticaly changing in positive dirrection.

Don't worry, us Poles will find a way to ruin even this, they always do.
OP Crow 146 | 9,106  
1 May 2009 /  #28
people here like to joke on the account on Serbians, isn`t it? ;)

You think that we killed too many mujas or that we failed because we didn`t kill them all? That Serbians aren`t worth?

don`t say that i didn`t open disscusion in case with alternatives for Poland and Poles, when you see how Arabs populating Poland in large numbers

If Poland refuses to fulful its duties on itself and inside of Slavic world, Poland needs to prepare to be dominion of Eurabia or as Mr. Barosso said EU Empire.

and Arabs would come and, mujaheedines as they already cming in bosnia, Kosovo, Albania. Mujas are great friends of key European powers. So, if Poland wants to be in club, there is no alternative.

So, what should be- Slavija or Eurabia? It still depend on you Poles. Tomorrow, it won`t depend on you.
southern 75 | 7,096  
1 May 2009 /  #29
I find ridiculous that Poland which has so many brotherly nations has so many enemies.Take a look at the map.So much failure of diplomacy?You have to wonder,why?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
1 May 2009 /  #30
I find ridiculous that Poland which has so many brotherly nations

It does?

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