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Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
why? and what about Lithuania?
Because Germany lost the war.
Poland was from the beginning on the side which won!
And you compare situation of Poland and Germany??????/
As for Ukraine there was no such a state before 1990 - never!
As for western part of Ukraine those territories belonged before a war to Poland and during the war great part of the locals which have seen themselves as a Ukrainians sided with Hitler and were doing ethnic cleanings or whatever is called now when on the given territory people are being murder only for being Polish( or other) .
These lands Poland lost to Soviet Union, while German lands were given to Poland.
Also in the middle ages most of the lands we are discussing were either part of Kingdom of Poland, were dependent vassals or had a rules of polish origins.
There were close ties till about 1530 with raise of Protestants, when local population (like BB ancestors more likely) began to absorb "German" culture!
Contrary to situation in western "Ukraine" were since 1360 were part of Polish Crown and nobody till 1848 ever heard about Ukrainians, before they were considered local peasant and anybody who had any education were thinking himself as a Pole.
It was like if highlanders started to believe they are not Polish but Highlandish!
Well, If they identify as Ukrainians - go ahead but don't forget about settle issue with Poles, they cannot simply talk about occupation, exploitation and ancient rights of Ukrainians because it is not truth!!!!
As for Germans I have not doubt they are conceiving plans to get back they lands when the opportunity arise!
And if Poland wont do it the same, we can end with prewar western border and postwar eastern border.
Anyway I see those drowning parallel between wester and estern Polish border - there none!
We were given German land just because it suited Stalin, same with eastern border!
If Poland were treated rightly as one of the main victors of the WWII we would have keep our prewar border in the east and had some addition in the north and west - not so radical as present border!
As for Lithuania we have no claim as such (means rights) but there were always majority of local population being Polish and if Lithuanian government will carry on its discriminations - there is always option !
Yeah...they did shove borders around as they saw fit also after WWI greatly contributing to destabilizing Europe and laying the seeds for WWII, and we pay even still today the consequences from their border-reshuffling in the ME...what generous people, weren't they!
sure tell it to Frederic the Great and also tell him not to take part in the partition of Poland- its all stared there, so stop blaming versatilities because in the east you have got a good deal!
If you talk about fair - contribution which France paid to youz in 1871 - pretty fair ????whiner!!)0))000
Nathan
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