History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


It keeps us alive, BB, don't you understand?


Only if you insist. I think the armies are exhausted and a night horn's sound is like a soothing lulliby.
(#Nathan sees his enemy waving white flag and Sokrates is sent as a messenger to deliver the enemy's banner. Nathan calmly smiles at Sokrates and they together go for a nice round of beer. The defeat is accepted ;)

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]


They should go out and shoot each other for the benefit of nature and our society instead of murdering rare species of animals.

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


Yeh, you fought Turks ;) - you sucked their d*cks!!!



Your army was kicked ass big time in Cecora, but a year later at Khotyn:


This is called "auxilliary"? :) This is called Ukrainians were major military force at Khotyn, where casualties of Turks were huge compared to the allied army.


A minute ago you were claiming 2/3rds ;) What else will you suck up from the thumb?


What schools?

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


The raids that you were afraid of in the 1600s and tried to subdue Cossacks who were liberating their co-patriots from the enslavement and defending their lands by kicking Turkish asses in the Black sea?


Cheap sell-outs received what they wanted too. I don't see what schools you mean and what literacy. Maybe, in Warsaw or Krakiw.

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


Policy of religious, cultural and lingual destruction of another nation can be hardly called "civiliation and culture". Same thing the Spaniards said when they destroyed the culture of Maya and Aztec.


It couldn't be more eloquent ;) Greatly appreciated :)This response gave me more satisfaction than I would get from a page-long explanations :)

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


It wasn't as barbaric as Poland's disgraceful and heart-wrenching invasion of Ruthenian territories and burning my beloved city L'viv in 1340 and 1349. You may call Kazimierz lll a bandit as he definately was. But some still dare audaciously to call these territories "lost Polish" lands. RP became too fat in grabbing foreign lands such that a light unloading was essential for the country's well-being. Partitions should be called "Friendly Release" or "Assisted Relaxations" ;)

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


He had an intellectual ability since he had brain, this no one can doubt I hope, but what kind of vision (I don't think you mean he had eyes and could see trees around) worth to be called a "vision" Hitler had. He had an enormous charisma and fantastic public speaking skills, he was a great politician - absolutely. But I see no vision in full sane meaning of this word.

The plan was not found and we don't know what was in the plan. The plan had to be there, anyhow. I don't believe Nazi made all these moves and invasions without thinking where it will all end. If the Soviets had 5-year plans to be accomplished in 3 years ;), I am not gonna believe Germans (people who invented "Ordnung" :) didn't have one too.


You never know, because 1% of mortal men who are bastards are usually ahead of others in corruption and 99% will never be tested for integrity in politics. Politics doesn't cherish happy, honest bunnies who want the best for all. Such people don't survive for long.

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]

vetala
Looks like Polish as a nation was doomed for extermination. Unbelievable.

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]

That b*tch wasn't even able to speak without reading his retarded front news. scum didn't mention that there will be one rifle for 3 soldiers and that a year ago in 1940, Finland kicked Soviet's ass in 100 days. The bit*h didn't mention that he killed 30,000 high rank officers 3 years ago and deported millions of Poles, Tatars, Bielorusy, Moldovans, Germans and other people to Siberia, hungered to death 10 million Ukrainians and devastated everything that could have formed a front of resistance. That arrogant b*tch only watched and spoke derogatorily swaying as a w*ore.

Read about Winter War and its casualties and you might imagine what Soviet Army was like when Nazi attacked. And for some other scum that speech seems legendary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

So, as far as I see it, they see themselves foreign even when they were born in a country foreign to their parents. The same happened in France with those two guy who got burnt running from police and the riots which ensued. It is a very difficult issue. There is a huge psychological gap based on traditions, religion, culture, language etc. When I migrate to a foreign country, I feel obligated to respect and cherish that country since that country accepted me in. I am grateful and I won't do anything to hurt its citizens. But when I am born in that country - that's it - it is MY country forever. I think in-taking countries should make programs starting from the kindergarten where the immigrants' children are started to be integrated into the society, so that they feel from the very beginning that they are part of the process and essential part of the society. Parents at home won't be as powerful later to change that perception.


Because you were born in Poland, right? You learnt English as a second language, correct? I just make assumptions here (hope they are correct). But this is what English is for me. To learn a language is a challange; to be able to catch and reproduce that language's nuances is still more challenging. Don't say that you cannot make a distiction between American and British accent - it is too obvious. Aussis also have an easily recogniable way of speaking, not to be mixed with others. Once I watched a movie with a couple of young people and she said:"Oh, that guy is, probably, Welsh, the way he speaks". For me he sounded as American as it is possible. And this is because we were never exposed to these different cultures before. Btw, I had a bit difficulty (very minor) at the beginning to switch from British English (taught in schools in Ukraine) to American English, which is used in the US. I think with time and as you hear them more, you will be able to distinguish these accents.


Yes, language is a huge power, which keeps people and their culture together.

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

It is different for Europe. I wouldn't immediatey put "=" sign, but it is a driving force that keeps nations alive in rough times. The countries you mentioned had majority of English immigrant settlers to start with and were for awhile Britain's colonies. Nevertheless, even now you will hear: "Oh, she is Aussi" just from the way a person speaks. So language no matter where may play a pretty sound role in defining one's nationality. I'll mention my country as an example since I know a bit more about Ukrainian than other languages. On many occasions it was forbidden to print, or import Ukrainian books, even text to musical notes (songs or theatrical stages):


(Quite an opinion!!! ;)


(sick f*ck was bathing in a German resort thinking of destroying a culture)
It is just a single example. Why do you think the language was attacked? Because it unites people into a nation. It has far greater effects than any other factor.

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]

Stalin was the worst, stinking, scared rat who lost his speech for 3 weeks after Nazi invasion. He didn't say a thing, because he was a low scum, sucking on his tail. B*tch

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

It is, I agree. I am surprised you would love country you were born in less than country of your parents. But is it true to all or you just generalize?

Sorry about the language. I thought you were Polish and mentioned it as your native. Anyway, majority of people doesn't speak properly their mother's tongue.

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

Why do you have to degrade another country? Do you think that your country is less creepier than others'? And do you yourself speak Polish well or love your nation to die for not on the words, but in real life?

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]

No system is perfect ;) or maybe, this is just a time issue :)



Well, sometimes being nuts may look like having nuts :) and may not mean both.
But I have to agree that he had nuts everywhere :)

History / What if scenario´s for WW2 and Poland [112]


Had or was, Sokrates?;)
You just can't have everything :) I think humanity is choosing the right direction by eliminating nuts gene.

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]


Yes, Torq, I am joining Pawian here as well. Thanks for clearing the issue.
I don't doubt Polish ability to prosper alone in the world market and your GDP is just huge, but if you take into consideration the laws and trade facilitations, Poland enjoys in the EU so much greater consumer base, which gives a great boost to your exports and investments. Subsidies of 3.1 billion euro shouldn't be taken as easily and for granted.

Have a great Christmas :)

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

Well, what is GDP?


From this formula it looks like you have consumed some part of 570 billion euro, spent some chunk of it for supporting your government and whatever was left you put to the future good of your country as well (not counting exports, of which EU is, probably, the main consumer). EU has never seen and would never see majority of these products of yours. You devoured them yourselves. So no point of counting them as a Christmas present for EU from Poland.

Also when you make per capita calculations, I think it is unfair to put children, retired and ill people into the equation. They don't produce anything for EU, so why do you count them in 25 cents calculations? I know they want to eat too, but so Portuguese, Greeks and Danish. You have to take into consideration 2 more factors: unemployment and labor force. For Poland as of 2007 they were 10.5% and 16.86 million respectively. The calculation than gives you 66.6 cents (just putting my 5 cents into conversation :)

But the whole thing to make some per capita calculations is pointless, because the money invested in multitude of projects will give future jobs for so many people, who will be able to work and bring bread home.



According to my knowledge of math, you have got 3.1 billion euro!!! for Christmas present.
And you are not satisfied? What else do you want? Per capita spoon-feeding?


From your skills in basic calculations you better start thinking :) about changing your job to a more flexible one :)

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

Why then do you bend over to pick a 5 cent coin on your way to a grocery shop? Of course, you wouldn't die or be hungry, but nevertheless, you do it. It gives you more than you currently earn at your job: Let's say you pick 5 cents in 3 sec. That will give you $1 in a minute and $60/hour, which leads to $480/day and around $10,000 a month! So don't be too arrogant, Torq, you earn by bending over much more than by thinking :)


Thank you ;)

Love / ARE POLES ROMANTICS?? [36]


Yes, but where can he get a manual? ;) Could you at least leave love without buttons? ;)

Love / ARE POLES ROMANTICS?? [36]

I think that Swedes and Germans took it a step further. They realize immediately what is following our romanticism - brutal reality. So why waste time on ceremonies and eyelashes, when they can start with the business. Our mentality - Eastern European - is such that we take our time, pace things slowly, invest heavily in abstract ideas. The other cultures, in my opinion, are more practical. You don't have so much broken hearts drowned in a bottle like our countries do. Which way is better? It depends on your personality. Personally, I prefer romanticism in your sense of the word. But it seems like younger generations choose more "progressive" approach.

Polonia / Any thoughts on religion in Russia from Poland? [9]


Russian Orthodox Church was always a puppet and a tool in Russia. Its decisions and moves were controlled by tsars starting from the XIV century onward. It helped it a lot to become so influential. In the Soviet Union era despite the persecution the only church to be opened for the believers was Russian Orthodox Church. (I was baptized illegally!!! at my parents' home by a priest of Ukrainian Catholic church, which was forbidden and priests either sent to Siberia or regular prisons). Priests who could be broken or even replaced by KGB agents were serving there. You know what confessions usually led to if they had to do anything with a wrong word against the state. Funny enough in 1943 Stalin himself brought back Russian Orthodox Church to use it as a moral support of the people, which atheism obviously couldn't do. This is why now everyone in Russian government are so pious and church-supporting.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Under_Communist_rule

This is a powerful tool to use inside and outside the country. Recently Ukraine saw a visit of Russian Orthodox patriarch Kyril, who came to "bring back to senses a led-astray herd of Ukrainian Orthodox believers".


zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/07/27/190131

So no surprises and awe when Putin licks an icon and crosses himself - it is just a job ;)

History / 64th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising [71]

Something I re-post again for you, Porzeczka, if you missed it.


Following your source, I found out that this statement was taken from the INTERROGATION of Vladimir Solov'ev. Why and by whom this man was interrogated, who is he I couldn't find anywhere. The only thing I can add is the fact that in the Soviet Union there were many "interrogations" like that and people signed whatever broken ribs and beaten-off kidneys could have made you to sign. Was he a historian? Where and by whom was conducted this interrogation? Where I can read more about the life of this man, Porzeczka?

How did it happen that some Jewish people who fought for Ukrainian independance (of course, they were born in Ukraine and were Ukrainians) got ones of the heighest medals of UPA, like Dr. Abraham Kum - Golden Cross of Merit (most of ethnic Ukrainians got a medal only post-humously)? Why has OUN forged passports for Jewish? Why they saved their fighter Stella Krenzbach from torture and death in the Soviet prison? I tell you why. Because UPA had nothing to do with so-called round-ups and hunting for Jews (do you really believe that UPA had nothing better to do, fighting Nazi Germans, Russian NKVD far superior in numbers and attacked instead doctors and innocent kids, old grandpas and pregnant women like some like to put it?). I wouldn't deny killings of collaborators among which were Jews, Ukrainians, Polish and so on. You work with the enemy - you are an enemy. Do you disagree?


Payments and responsibility goes for you just to shut you up, because you always feel innocent like a virgin lily in a swamp. I just show you that you are as dirty as everybody else, take you down from the fluffy clouds and put with the face where we all belong :)

And never in my life I said that my nation is superior to any other nation, moreover in morality. If you say that, please, quote me - I am eager to see that.

Regarding psychopathy - does it matter whether you are genetically psycopathic (if gene of psychopathy happens to exist) or you are a psychopath due to the environmental factors? Killing a human being on a regular basis causes psychopathic damage to your conscienceness even if it wasn't there before.

History / 64th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising [71]

Borrka, I have never heard of this guy before, but I am glad 1jola mentioned him. From Wikipedia and your post "Bronislaw Kaminski" I read the following:


It is a bit like the infamous Copernicus case ;) Father links him to Poland, mother - to Germany, place of birth - to Bielarus', education - to Russia.

I don't really care whether he was of Polish nationality or not. He was a low-level scum. Mentioning him, I didn't say that the Poles are murderers, like some "historians" here try to generalize things. At any time in any nation or state you will find at least 1% deviants, inhumane creatures, sociopaths, psycopaths who will torture, rape and murder anyone or anything just for the heck of it.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Psychopathy_vs._sociopathy

If we take an average city of around 800,000 inhabitants, e.g. Gdansk (Trójmiasto) in Poland or L'viv in Ukraine, we might be shocked to realize that 1% is 8,000 people, who are psychopaths! Maybe, it sounds off the topic, but it is of great value to know and understand.

The problem is when people try to pick these outcasts and describe the whole nation - that's what is troublesome.
I really appreciate you being objective and supporting your words with facts, which 1jola seems no intention to do.

History / 64th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising [71]


This is what you said. The source that you gave mentions the following:


Would you present any source that will support your words? If not, I demand apology.
"There were plenty Ukies..." - show it! I don't see the numbers?!
Regarding the photo. Ukrainian Cossacks didn't form any military formations in WWll. There were Donski Cossacks, as your source mentions, but never is stated that Ukrainian Cossacks took part in any of the suppressions.

Again you mentioned:
Bronislav (also spelled "Bronislaw") Kaminski was born in Vitebsk, Russian Empire, to a Polish father and German mother.
This formation soon grew to 10,000 men and was called by them the Russian National Liberation Army (abbreviated in Russian as "RONA").
Sounds like your guy opperating Russian army in 1944.

History / 64th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising [71]



Listen, if you are proud of Warsaw uprising - be and I am happy for you. But don't be a low-level catpiss, please. Lame stats? Ukies were no friends of Jews? Plenty? Will you name a number of Ukrainians in SS, which, by the way, were ingaged predominately in fights with Soviets and compare to your Jew-loving nation? There were Jews in Ukrainian Insurgent Army, who fought together for the independance both from Soviets and Germans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Jewish_relations

Please, learn to defend yourself without using low-level disgracious tactics.

History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]


From post #94 (this thread)


From post #23 (in "Poland is the most friendly neighbor of Ukraine and Russia - Ukrainian poll by Borrka)

I usually don't reply to the scum and I am not going to do it now, but for the rest of PF members who hadn't still realized what southern is - a simple example of lying piece of sh*t.

The most interesting part is that 2 posts were written 45 days!!! apart and they sound as a memorized phrase from the first to the last word, except for the cities ;)

History / Russians are Ugro-finnized Poles - no way around it ! [44]

Makes sense.

Life / Why are Polish people so ruthless? [87]


Here is your answer, AnglikMan.

History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]



As you can imagine why such precious for Russians document didn't survive. Simple explanation: Pereyaslav treaty was nothing else but a pact about cooperation between Cossacks and Moskovy. They obviously needed to make an elephant out of nothing to later make retarded demands. Just for a simple example Swedish army managed to get Chmelnickyj banner while their stay in Warsaw (taken from Berestechko battlefield) and it is now in Stockholm Armemuseum. The same pertains to bulava (maze of power in Cossacks). So some remote army was interested in taking an almost completely burnt banner from a battlefield and save it till now! while Russians didn't save a copy of this so important treaty?! Strange, isn't it?

Hey, I don't defend Chmelnickyj. He made many mistakes. One of them is staying at Zamosc pointlessly, instead of crushing Poland completely. Poland lay naked in front of him. Well, he thought that Polish king won't interfere with him as a hetman of Ukraine. Why? It would have released some tension among our nations into the future generations :)


Nonetheless, he is regarded as a Ukrainian hero and a great army commander who brought many military victories and in his name there is (if I am not mistaken) the highest military order of Ukraine.

Cheers.