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daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

Quoting: daffy
English, a West Germanic language

No, it isn't. Read the article

you refuse to read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

Peter, im not arguing with you, im showing you the proof to the statement about the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. The GENETICS of the British and IRISH is a different issue. and one article in the Herald does not change history of the English language

uoting: daffy
and you may have variant CJD

In which case I intend to go into politics forthwith

over qualified!
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

You guys are both right.

when talking about JUST the ENGLISH language, the ENGLISH language is a western Germanic language only

Gaelic (the IRish & scottish language, you are right, is different again)

but dealing ONLY with the ENglish language - i am not making facts up to suit myself.

i wouldn't :) im a lousy liar :)

a the pure source of knowledge is is evident fool.

its only the FIRST source - dont make me go librarian on your a$$!

and GENETICS HAS NOTHING to do with language!!!

well, with the ORIGINS of it

tak it has developmental basis in the HUMAN mind but that his NOT in the realm of HISTORY!

ebbs.english.vt.edu/hel/hel.html

just ANOTHER source of MANY stating ENGLISH as a germanic LANGUAGE (nOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS)
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

WRONG

Im not saying that AT all!

Im saying that the ENGLISH LANGUAGE arrived in the isles around the 5th C AD.
IT IS PROVEN BY MINDS GREATER THAN YOU OR I

THAT IT IS A WESTERN GERMANIC LANGUAGE

Origins of language are not confined to genetics. if that were so, why do i speak english when i come from Gallic family? SOCIO-POLTICIAL FACTORS

THE ANGLE-SAXONS BROUGHT it from SAXONY/JUTELAND (NOW GERMANY) and they RULED the isles and IMPOSED there language!

Thereby NOT rubbishing what ive said - in fact all ive done is point out sources!

Genetics is ONE factor - which I ALREADY AGREED WITH BUT langauge is a total OTHER point.
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

People born in Poland randomly start speaking English or Chinese?

if they were raised by chinese people - yes! your language is NOT genetic YOur are nOT born with English ore pOlish in your blood (why learn it in school if that is the case)
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

Similarly, until the industrial revolution people lived and died within a few miles of where they were born. Except in very define events such as invasions or migrations.

look at all the PAN european wars, the roman migrations, the Barbarian invasion, the black death!

Your comment doesnt hold weight with the facts of history

Your dead right Heugal!
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

ive read it Peter.

it deals with GENETICS which is DIFFERENT to language.

Language is imposed by the victor, the ruler. the language does not follow genetics.

otherwise i shouldnt be speaking english BUT the anglo saxons that came from modern day germany, who founded the english language as we know it, conquered us and there language was imposed.

Our genetic trial remains unchanged and intergrated with rulers (as one does over time)

and we now speak a western germanic language WHILE genetcally stays as the article says.
i never said genetically the article was wrong, i agreed with it and i dont like doing this but i DID higher level biology with genetics AS my core subject. and i DO know that language is NOT tied into genetics. AS you can take a polish baby and give him to english parents (living in POland lets say) and the child will learn english. He is still GENETICALLY polish. that doesnt change and i never said that does

But you have refused to acknowlegde HISTORIES influence on LANGUAGE (not Genetics)
THe ruler Dictates language (the Romans imposed Latin)
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

How on earth would a Chinese person get to Poland 1000 years ago? Get on a train?

im talking about today - your being flipant now.

And you needant go as far as china, look at switzerland (italian, German, French languages yet, similar genes - its all about socio-political forces is language)

How do you explain Christopher Columbus? The Native Americans? Cro-magnon originated in Africa and made his way to Europe, explain that one.

exactly, migration happened, that shows in our genes. BUT language is another kettle of fish and not tied into it. Genes don't determine this.

and the source of ENGLISH as a language is NOT determined by genetics but by HISTORY our genes did not make up the languages BUT human interaction between dominant and submissive. ANd the ANGLE-SAXONS come from where? and they speak what? could it be WESTERN GERMANIC - i think it is, there is back up a plenty. is it to do with genetics. no.

in fact, GREAT example, one girl was here the other day poland_2006 i believe, she Was born in poland and now lives in the USA. she speaks english because of here SOCIO-POLITICAL surroundings - being USA and that being an english speaking area

your defintion dictates she can only speak polish as a first language (as you dont rule out the obvious fact anyone can learn english) BUT she speaks English as a first language NOTHING to do with genetics.
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

Thats exactly where you are going wrong, this is a historical study, when people did not move from their birthplace. Thats why you can use genetics to trace a language.

tak, they dont move from there birthplace - the genetics wont vary HOWEVER invaders come and say! we now rule you! (not quite so simpley)

and they impose there laws, customs and....LANGUAGE

as the anglo saxons (who came from modern day WEST GERMAY) did to the british isles
daffy   
5 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

Ok forget it. The subject is obviously a bit beyond your comprehension.

you;ve sourced a newspaper article. your saying that language IS soley dependant on Genetics and IS nothing to do with SOCIO-POLITICAL influnce

It would seem that its beyond your comprehension

Quoting: peterweg
Thats exactly where you are going wrong, this is a historical study, when people did not move from their birthplace. Thats why you can use genetics to trace a language.

tak, they dont move from there birthplace - the genetics wont vary HOWEVER invaders come and say! we now rule you! (not quite so simpley)

and they impose there laws, customs and....LANGUAGE

as the anglo saxons (who came from modern day WEST GERMAY) did to the british isles

well that killed the topic :)
daffy   
6 Mar 2007
Life / CAN NON-POLISH UNDERSTAND POLAND? [17]

The media shows what they want, to grab the watchers eye, and then down play
it like it is nothing to be concerned about. least that is what I percieve , so I dont
believe everything. and what is said, I would question. are the full facts placed
out there? did you get the whole story, or half? look at the war for instance.

but thats apart of my point, that she gets the SAME news so i know no more OR less then she does (which is her arguement - that i cannot understand the corruption and scandel, as if Ireland had none :))

We will hug, we always do :)

yea grunn, i agree with you - but then, i think you knew i woudl :)
daffy   
6 Mar 2007
Work / Need help with teaching English in Poland [5]

i know that they prefere native english speakers in many places.
My girlfriend has little confidence in her english and she should! she is fluent!
she teaches grinds for polish and english in her home towm and yet she tells me that i would have an easier time getting work than her!

which i find hard to believe as i have bad polish :) Though, i wouldnt mind being the 'dummy' in the corner (co-teach :) ) But id rather become more fluent in Polish before i considered it a career.
daffy   
6 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

the new evidence is NOT in relation to language peter!@ have you read your article that YOU posted.

It refers to GENETIC similarity between the peoples of eng, ire etc NOT where the english CAME from.

which is west germanic, from the Angle-Saxons who came from West germany (as we'd call it today) and who migrated and conquered the british isles around the 5ad.

The genetics suggest they intergrated (as all conquering forces did in those times) into the native population. THIS adds to the theory in the article of GENETICS but no where does it say the LANGUAGE was NOT western germanic.

so stop throwing out 'you dont undertansd , you dont get it and actually debate your points!'
we've all been giving you the this. We AGREE with you about the genetic similarity, that was never in doubt to me - but YOUR claim, NOT the herald, that the english language is NOT a western Germanic language - is unfounded. As you have YET to engage the debate and stand to deliver where the ENGLISH language developed. as we have done
daffy   
6 Mar 2007
UK, Ireland / English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest [69]

partially

:)

Oppenheimer has relied on work by Peter Forster, a geneticist at Anglia Ruskin University, to argue that Celtic is a much more ancient language than supposed, and that Celtic speakers could have brought knowledge of agriculture to Ireland, where it first appeared. He also adopts Forster's argument, based on a statistical analysis of vocabulary, that English is an ancient, fourth branch of the Germanic language tree, and was spoken in England before the Roman invasion.

FROM the article and SAID by the VERY guy who is talking about the genetic similarity! even HE acknowledge's english language roots!

nglish, in his view, was already spoken there, probably introduced before the arrival of the Romans by tribes such as the Belgae, whom Caesar describes as being present on both sides of the Channel.

The Belgae perhaps introduced some socially transforming technique, such as iron-working, which led to their language's replacing that of the indigenous inhabitants, but Forster said he had not yet identified any specific innovation from the archaeological record.

Oppenheimer said genes "have no bearing on cultural history." There is no significant genetic difference between the people of Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400 years, he said.

which is waht we've all said .

Genetically the similarity, makes sense BUT you not factoring in socio-political factors. and im tired of this to the point i had to use YOUR only source of 'evidence'
daffy   
6 Mar 2007
Language / Translations of Gadu-Gadu [158]

any update on GG translations?

is there anything i can do to help?

grzegorz_ why you want me in that thread lol
daffy   
7 Mar 2007
Language / Translations of Gadu-Gadu [158]

firma@gadu-gadu.pl so i email this? ok can we get a forum support going? :)

Cheers Wuesde! cant wait to see the eng!!!
daffy   
7 Mar 2007
Language / Translations of Gadu-Gadu [158]

Tak :) i agree! COME ON THE FORUM!!! e-mail firma@gadu-gadu.pl

ask them if and when an english version of gadu gadu (for PC & Mac) is coming

That there is a demand by you and your friends

well, ive emailed them now too

come on the forum :)

we need you support!

Please email firma@gadu-gadu.pl