Ogorki
27 Nov 2009
Ogorki
27 Nov 2009
UK, Ireland / Poles returning to the UK [33]
I'm a brit and all my brit friends love Kubus drinks, bigos, golabki etc. I'm sure we are not the only ones. God forbid if brits purchase polish groceries in pref. to brit groceries. Lets blame it on the so called returning poles.
eeer, no. They come here to work. Yes, some end up on benefits but they learn quickly by brit example.
eeeer, no. There would not - because Poland ha no jobs because it is very poor after being completely destroyed 70 years ago in WWII after being abandoned by the allies.
Brit men only go there for the women.
I'm a brit and all my brit friends love Kubus drinks, bigos, golabki etc. I'm sure we are not the only ones. God forbid if brits purchase polish groceries in pref. to brit groceries. Lets blame it on the so called returning poles.
Flitting between countries hardly shows clear career progression/direction. I know the type that does it too. Using England as a bailout option is not that nice.
eeer, no. They come here to work. Yes, some end up on benefits but they learn quickly by brit example.
There'd be a hissyfit in the Sejm were so many Brits to come across in a oner.
eeeer, no. There would not - because Poland ha no jobs because it is very poor after being completely destroyed 70 years ago in WWII after being abandoned by the allies.
Brit men only go there for the women.
Ogorki
27 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
You are the funny one. England did not go to war for Poland - it went to war becuase Poland was the last straw. England went to war becuase she knew Hitler had to be stopped. If she went to war for Poland then why didn't she fight the Germans on the western front? England and the allies should have gone to war over the Czech invasion. The Czechs hate the west the most. England had to fight. If she just sat back and waited for Hitler to take over all of Europe England would have eventually been absorbed by Hitler and you would now be a German ass *****. Poles and the brits should be greatful to the Yanks for saving Europe - for the second time. I won't even bother mentioning the French. SO DON'T BLAME THE POLES --- YOU ASS HOLE
Gee, thanks, now I feel much better that England gets some Poles graditude for the 1,000s of Brits that died in WWII...You are funny!
You are the funny one. England did not go to war for Poland - it went to war becuase Poland was the last straw. England went to war becuase she knew Hitler had to be stopped. If she went to war for Poland then why didn't she fight the Germans on the western front? England and the allies should have gone to war over the Czech invasion. The Czechs hate the west the most. England had to fight. If she just sat back and waited for Hitler to take over all of Europe England would have eventually been absorbed by Hitler and you would now be a German ass *****. Poles and the brits should be greatful to the Yanks for saving Europe - for the second time. I won't even bother mentioning the French. SO DON'T BLAME THE POLES --- YOU ASS HOLE
Ogorki
15 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
Heres a joke. I think if a German soldier is informed of the death of his family in a raid, it would be definitive and he'd know about it.
It's not second hand it's direct from witnesses.
It's no surprise that Hitler wanted all Poles dead.
You consistantly fail to answer my questions with evidence. On top of that you bring up completely irrelevant arguments which have nothing to do with this debate to confuse the issue and throw virbal abuse at me - because you can't debate in a reasonable manner.
Please answer:-
During the Massacre german generals ordered the frenzied killing to stop becuase
they were wasting bullets - but many continued
WOULD THESE GERMAN GENERALS DARE DISSOBEY AN ORDER FROM THE FUHRER???
Ye because the Poles really had the Germans over a barrel - and had so much to bargain with
Any murders were hidden/covered up to the best of the germans ability.
So the holocaust was printed on the cover of Time magazine do you think?
You have twisted what I said and turned it against me because you have no real answer. You should be a politician. The Germans justified their actions becuase their own women and children were being killed in Germany. Is that so difficult to grasp. (sorry forgot who I was talking to)
They had an army didn't they.
They were allied with France (largest land army in world)
They could have motivated the French and attacked the lightly defended western
german border and engage the enemy.
The Poles were. Why couldn't they?
If not, then don't suggest support and assistance. They should have told the Poles to ride it out and that they would be there as soon as possible. (i.e when the americans arrive)
Well - they dropped leaflets.
talking about 1944, not 1921.
Since you bring it up - Ukranine was under Russian control at this point. It was not free.
The Ukrainians hated the Russians and the Poles more so.
The Ukranian leader favoured the Poles and was at that time in exile in Poland. Had no choice.
Poland wanted back what she had in 1772. This was approx half of Ukraine. Poland got only a fraction of that, amounting to approx one tenth of Ukraine. Not half.
And remember it was Lithuania which conquered Ukraine in the past. Poland joined with Lithuania to make Kingdom of Poland after.
So we can either believe second-hand hearsay supposedly heard from a common soldier who may or may not have been given any information by his superiors or we can believe direct orders from Hitler.
Heres a joke. I think if a German soldier is informed of the death of his family in a raid, it would be definitive and he'd know about it.
It's not second hand it's direct from witnesses.
It's no surprise that Hitler wanted all Poles dead.
You consistantly fail to answer my questions with evidence. On top of that you bring up completely irrelevant arguments which have nothing to do with this debate to confuse the issue and throw virbal abuse at me - because you can't debate in a reasonable manner.
Please answer:-
During the Massacre german generals ordered the frenzied killing to stop becuase
they were wasting bullets - but many continued
WOULD THESE GERMAN GENERALS DARE DISSOBEY AN ORDER FROM THE FUHRER???
Could perhaps it be that the terms of the surrender stated that the civilian population would be evacuated and the insurgents sent to PoW camps. Oh yes, the terms of the surrender did state that.
Ye because the Poles really had the Germans over a barrel - and had so much to bargain with
Thanks for giving me the best laugh of the day! The Nazis were happy to kill six million people in the holocaust but they needed a smoke-screen behind which to kill 40,000 Poles. That is absolutely priceless!
Any murders were hidden/covered up to the best of the germans ability.
So the holocaust was printed on the cover of Time magazine do you think?
In your mind perhaps it does. In my mind nothing could ever justify the Wola massacre and I have pity for you that you think anything could ever justify the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
You have twisted what I said and turned it against me because you have no real answer. You should be a politician. The Germans justified their actions becuase their own women and children were being killed in Germany. Is that so difficult to grasp. (sorry forgot who I was talking to)
So perhaps you could be so kind as to state the ways in which Britain did not give all the support and assistance in its power? Of course you will not give any, Poles never do.
They had an army didn't they.
They were allied with France (largest land army in world)
They could have motivated the French and attacked the lightly defended western
german border and engage the enemy.
The Poles were. Why couldn't they?
If not, then don't suggest support and assistance. They should have told the Poles to ride it out and that they would be there as soon as possible. (i.e when the americans arrive)
Well - they dropped leaflets.
Poland stabbed her Ukrainian allies in the back with the 1921 Treaty of Riga, stole half the country
talking about 1944, not 1921.
Since you bring it up - Ukranine was under Russian control at this point. It was not free.
The Ukrainians hated the Russians and the Poles more so.
The Ukranian leader favoured the Poles and was at that time in exile in Poland. Had no choice.
Poland wanted back what she had in 1772. This was approx half of Ukraine. Poland got only a fraction of that, amounting to approx one tenth of Ukraine. Not half.
And remember it was Lithuania which conquered Ukraine in the past. Poland joined with Lithuania to make Kingdom of Poland after.
Ogorki
15 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
'There was no doubt about our fate. A woman asked where they were taking us. The answer was: "German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die". They regrouped us...'
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
Notice he says "owing to you" - "you" being the Poles. The Poles were allies with the British.The Poles agree that German cities shouild have been bombed. They do not blame the British. This was the Polish sacrifice for the allies doing the right thing. The Poles were being killed by frustrated Germans because of their continuing resistance - not only revenge for bombings. It was not only the Wola Massacre, Mokotow 8,000 people - every street corner in Warsaw 1,000 here, 800 there, 1,800 over there... the Wola Massacre was only part of the whole picture.
Again this was a response to
Noone actually said "they did nothing".
So when the uprising ended days later, why did Hitler order for the population to be evacuated and for the remains of the city to be destroyed?
During the Massacre german generals ordered the frenzied killing to stop becuase
they were wasting bullets - but many continued
WOULD THESE GERMAN GENERALS DARE DISSOBEY AN ORDER FROM THE FUHRER???
They only really stopped when they realised to possibilty of impending War Crimes.
Harry - my friend (it's a figure of speech)
the fact that you have avoided the most important part - the eye witness statements from the actual event - shows that you have no answer. NO ANSWER.
so how did you "FIND OUT" ?
What you find out is based on witnesses and people who were actually there. If they were not there they have to rely on notes written by people who were there. After that you have to base your own conclusion based on the evidence - or guess.
You have provided no evidence - only your own bias opinions.
I have not brought my family into this. If I was to tell you what my grandfather told me - you would never stop throwing up. However that is private. You will never know. How lucky you are.
If you wish to dismiss eye witness statements then you are not worth talking to.
Throught mankind - crimes and cases have been resloved through eye witness statements.
You have to take these into account otherwise - what else do you have?
Germany was being bombed by allies right up until Dresden in early 1945. The fact that German cities were being bombed before Wola massacre is enough to justify revenge.
The warsaw uprising was a fine smoke screen to hide the massacre. War crimes looming remember
The American soldiers fighting through France and Germany talked about fanatic German troops who faught to the end becuase they had lost family in allied bombing during battle of bulge etc and had nothing to live for.
But that's what you "FOUND OUT" and thought isn't it?
ARTICLE I.
Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.
Can you define "at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power"
So how did they fulfill this agreement?
A typical legal document which can be interpreted any which way.
What do you have on the French agreement - who had the largest land army on the planet?
What country is this? I'd like to wipe the floor with you again.
If I listened to what I was told, I'd believe that the 1944 Wola massacre was caused by British bombing of Germany in July 1943.
'There was no doubt about our fate. A woman asked where they were taking us. The answer was: "German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die". They regrouped us...'
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
"German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die".
warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
Notice he says "owing to you" - "you" being the Poles. The Poles were allies with the British.The Poles agree that German cities shouild have been bombed. They do not blame the British. This was the Polish sacrifice for the allies doing the right thing. The Poles were being killed by frustrated Germans because of their continuing resistance - not only revenge for bombings. It was not only the Wola Massacre, Mokotow 8,000 people - every street corner in Warsaw 1,000 here, 800 there, 1,800 over there... the Wola Massacre was only part of the whole picture.
Again this was a response to
ShelleyS:
So we can have some ignorant turd say, we owe them nothing, they did nothing...
So we can have some ignorant turd say, we owe them nothing, they did nothing...
Noone actually said "they did nothing".
Because they were following to the letter Hitler's directive, which was passed on by Himmler, to liquidate the population of Warsaw without regard to gender or age.
So when the uprising ended days later, why did Hitler order for the population to be evacuated and for the remains of the city to be destroyed?
During the Massacre german generals ordered the frenzied killing to stop becuase
they were wasting bullets - but many continued
WOULD THESE GERMAN GENERALS DARE DISSOBEY AN ORDER FROM THE FUHRER???
They only really stopped when they realised to possibilty of impending War Crimes.
Harry - my friend (it's a figure of speech)
the fact that you have avoided the most important part - the eye witness statements from the actual event - shows that you have no answer. NO ANSWER.
My knowledge of history is based on what I have found out. If I listened to what I was told,
so how did you "FIND OUT" ?
What you find out is based on witnesses and people who were actually there. If they were not there they have to rely on notes written by people who were there. After that you have to base your own conclusion based on the evidence - or guess.
You have provided no evidence - only your own bias opinions.
I have not brought my family into this. If I was to tell you what my grandfather told me - you would never stop throwing up. However that is private. You will never know. How lucky you are.
If you wish to dismiss eye witness statements then you are not worth talking to.
Throught mankind - crimes and cases have been resloved through eye witness statements.
You have to take these into account otherwise - what else do you have?
Here's the problem with your idiotic lie Ogorki: Operation Gomorrah finished on 3 August 1943 (as can be seen by clicking on the link you so helpfully provided). The Wola massacre took place on 5 to 8 August 1944. Why did the Germans wait more than a year before they took revenge for the British bombing? They could have done it anytime from July 1943.
Germany was being bombed by allies right up until Dresden in early 1945. The fact that German cities were being bombed before Wola massacre is enough to justify revenge.
They could have done it anytime from July 1943.
The warsaw uprising was a fine smoke screen to hide the massacre. War crimes looming remember
The American soldiers fighting through France and Germany talked about fanatic German troops who faught to the end becuase they had lost family in allied bombing during battle of bulge etc and had nothing to live for.
And no we were not told at school that Poles attacked tanks on horseback.
But that's what you "FOUND OUT" and thought isn't it?
Here's the point: the British did go to war and they precisely fulfilled their obligations under the Agreement of Mutual Assistance between the United Kingdom and Poland signed in London on 25 August 1939. Try to find any part of the treaty which the British did not observe to the letter
ARTICLE I.
Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.
Can you define "at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power"
So how did they fulfill this agreement?
A typical legal document which can be interpreted any which way.
What do you have on the French agreement - who had the largest land army on the planet?
Honour? You mean stabbing one's allies in the back, stealing half their country and then locking them up in internment and concentration camps? That is what Poland did. Honour as in twice within the last 71 years invading a neighbour which as too weak to defend itself? That is what Poland did. Honour as in operating concentration camps until 1956? That is what Poland did. Do tell me about this 'honour' you speak of.
What country is this? I'd like to wipe the floor with you again.
Ogorki
14 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
I was responding to what Shelley said. I'm not blaming the Brits for the Polish deaths! The bombing had to happen.
No - you didn't know about it because you are ignorant.
Sorry - it was actully 40,000 Poles killed - maybe more.
It's called the Massacre at Wola (1944) - a district in Warsaw.
Also In 1944 Bomber Harris was doing Hamburg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II
' streets burst into flame, and most of the casualties (40,000) caused by Operation Gomorrah happened on this night (many killed were in shelters)'.
Ooooh - theres that 40,000 number again
At the same time Warsaw was uprising. The Germans were fighting the uprising Poles and amongst the chaos - were killing women and children - why? Here it is from the people that were there...
warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
(How Wola Civilians Were Murdered) section
'There was no doubt about our fate. A woman asked where they were taking us. The answer was: "German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die". They regrouped us, separating a group of 70 people, who were sent over the bridge towards a hill.'
And where were German women and children dying at this time?
GIVE YOU ONE FREEKING GUESS!
Harry my friend. We were not there. History is f**ked up. What you know is what you have been told. In school they told you Poles attcked tanks on horseback.
So what do you expect. Take it from the people that were there.
I don't have access to top secret military documents:) Neither do you because they probably were not released. It is common knowledge that Britain and France agreed to go to war if Poland was invaded. The exact details are not known for the reason I mentioned.
All we can do is put together the evidence and cross ref:
A quote: greathistory.com/deadly-eagles-the-polish-air-force-in-1939.htm /comment-page-1
"Certainly the Poles lost the war, and there really was never any doubt, given that their high command based their defensive positions with two incorrect assumptions - the invasion of Germany in the west by France, and the non-intervention of Russia from the east.
The Poles deployed most of their army in positions unsuitable (or at least, less suitable) for a defense of their own country, but close to jump off positions to support the French."
Maybe the whole Polish nation was dellusional?! They JUST made up this idea that France (and therefore UK) would invade from west. LOL!
Yes to support the French. Quotes like this crop up all over the place. France is implicated and Britain was to act with France. They were bound together to go to war.
THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NOT READY OR DIDN'T WANT TO IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
The above quote also support what I said in my last post. Happy reading.
Ye - but obviously Churchill thought otherwise. LOL
"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many long months of toil and struggle"
"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their Finest Hour.'"
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."
(or...are you implying that Churchill knew that Hitler had no intention of Invading?)
WTF! So you think that Mein Kampf reflects history? History is what happened. Mein Kampf is the dream of a fruitcake.
Because they obviously know, have experienced and contributed to History - with honour. Remember that word. Honour? Sorry I've probably lost you there.
You misunderstand. I'm saying that Poles were asked to do the job because they
can do a GOOD job. Read again carefully.
Well! This is Polish Forums? Isnt it?
You are completely right: I did not know that. And why did I not know it? Because it never f*cking happened. You are very simply lying when you claim that it did. I would be very surprised if you could even supply the date of the first British raid on a German city.
I was responding to what Shelley said. I'm not blaming the Brits for the Polish deaths! The bombing had to happen.
No - you didn't know about it because you are ignorant.
Sorry - it was actully 40,000 Poles killed - maybe more.
It's called the Massacre at Wola (1944) - a district in Warsaw.
Also In 1944 Bomber Harris was doing Hamburg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II
' streets burst into flame, and most of the casualties (40,000) caused by Operation Gomorrah happened on this night (many killed were in shelters)'.
Ooooh - theres that 40,000 number again
At the same time Warsaw was uprising. The Germans were fighting the uprising Poles and amongst the chaos - were killing women and children - why? Here it is from the people that were there...
warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
(How Wola Civilians Were Murdered) section
'There was no doubt about our fate. A woman asked where they were taking us. The answer was: "German women and children are dying owing to you, so you must also die". They regrouped us, separating a group of 70 people, who were sent over the bridge towards a hill.'
And where were German women and children dying at this time?
GIVE YOU ONE FREEKING GUESS!
Harry my friend. We were not there. History is f**ked up. What you know is what you have been told. In school they told you Poles attcked tanks on horseback.
So what do you expect. Take it from the people that were there.
Please quote the part of the relevent treaty which the British did not keep to. I've asked countless Poles to do this and not even a single one ever has, but I thought I'd ask you anyway.
I don't have access to top secret military documents:) Neither do you because they probably were not released. It is common knowledge that Britain and France agreed to go to war if Poland was invaded. The exact details are not known for the reason I mentioned.
All we can do is put together the evidence and cross ref:
A quote: greathistory.com/deadly-eagles-the-polish-air-force-in-1939.htm /comment-page-1
"Certainly the Poles lost the war, and there really was never any doubt, given that their high command based their defensive positions with two incorrect assumptions - the invasion of Germany in the west by France, and the non-intervention of Russia from the east.
The Poles deployed most of their army in positions unsuitable (or at least, less suitable) for a defense of their own country, but close to jump off positions to support the French."
Maybe the whole Polish nation was dellusional?! They JUST made up this idea that France (and therefore UK) would invade from west. LOL!
Yes to support the French. Quotes like this crop up all over the place. France is implicated and Britain was to act with France. They were bound together to go to war.
THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NOT READY OR DIDN'T WANT TO IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
The above quote also support what I said in my last post. Happy reading.
Hitler was not "a comin". Read Mein Kampf, pay attention to the stage-by-stage plan it contains:
Ye - but obviously Churchill thought otherwise. LOL
"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many long months of toil and struggle"
"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their Finest Hour.'"
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."
(or...are you implying that Churchill knew that Hitler had no intention of Invading?)
WTF! So you think that Mein Kampf reflects history? History is what happened. Mein Kampf is the dream of a fruitcake.
But why should we expect a Pole to talk about what actually happened in history?
Because they obviously know, have experienced and contributed to History - with honour. Remember that word. Honour? Sorry I've probably lost you there.
Ogorki:
Just one example - Poles have been asked specifically to do a renovation job here where I work because it has been done twice before by (whoever) and f**ked up. Why - because they get the job done.
Poles fcuking up jobs, ha. Thats the story of my life.
They cant even write on a packaged product without fcuking it up.
Just one example - Poles have been asked specifically to do a renovation job here where I work because it has been done twice before by (whoever) and f**ked up. Why - because they get the job done.
Poles fcuking up jobs, ha. Thats the story of my life.
They cant even write on a packaged product without fcuking it up.
You misunderstand. I'm saying that Poles were asked to do the job because they
can do a GOOD job. Read again carefully.
Well! This is Polish Forums? Isnt it?
Ogorki
7 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
You know shite!
Ok lets go throught this again. In 1939 Hitlers army was only a shadow of what it was before the French invasion. A large part of the German forces relied on horses. Hitler was not 100% sure of his capabilities in full combat - how could he be? no one had taken him on before? Right? He didn't have the tiger/panzer tanks that early! Hitler was shitting himself. The Polish cavalry (the best in the world at this time) was causing havoc amongst the German forces. The last cavalry battle took place at this early stage with the Germans! The Poles were kicking the Germans ass! To the North of Warsaw the Polish army routed the Germans and forced them back into East Prussia. German prisoners were being taken left right and centre.
They did what they said they would do!
A deal was made with the allies. The Poles would hold off the Germans for 2 weeks until the Brits and French invaded in the West! Not invade right up to Poland you prick!
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS INVADE GERMANY FROM THE WEST - ON FRANCES DOORSTEP! That would have distracted Hitler - he would have lost his nerve and the outcome may have been a lot different. But the allies didn't go. No honour. I'm alright Jack. It's as simple as that. But Poland carried on!
THE POLISH ARMY ONLY GAVE UP BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF FOOD AND AMMUNITION AFTER THREE WEEKS.
THEY HAD NO SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!
Hitler defeated Poland. Became cockey. Built his army even stronger.
Even when the Russian retards invaded from the East (duhhhh we have a deal with Hitler - and we beleive him - duhhhhh LLOOOLLLLL!!!!) the Polish army STILL kicked ass. They killed 999 russian soldiers in about 2 days whilst holding off the Germans from the West. The Poles shot down 600 german planes, 400 german tanks, inflicted 50,000 german casualties. LOOK IT UP! IT'S ALL THERE - IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO SEEK THE TRUTH. I'm sure you would rather refer to what is more comfortable for you. Look up the word 'Honour'. It's a good thing.
SO HERE IT IS AGAIN.
IF THE BRITS AND FRANCE INVADED FROM THE WEST AND RUSSIA SUPPORTED FROM THE EAST - HITLER WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUSHED.
NO WAR.
50,000,000 LIVES SAVED.
The allies fell back into self interest.
IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT?
Just one example - Poles have been asked specifically to do a renovation job here where I work because it has been done twice before by (whoever) and f**ked up. Why - because they get the job done. They pay their taxes and will be paying your pension.
400,000 actually (still a lot) Remember, britain went to war because the invasion of Poland was the final straw! Obviously not to protect Poland (because they didn't) but to start to put a stop to Hitler because eventually he would reach the Channel.
40,000 dead from Bombing. You almost sound like the Germans - being at war and not expecting to be bombed yourself? How dare they! Remember, Britain was at war becuase they had no choice. Hitler was a comin. (Not to protect Poland) By the way, because Britain bombed German cities, 35,000 Polish men women and children were dragged out of their house in Warsaw and shot in the streets in a few days by the Germans as revenge. Didn't know that did you.
You are a disgrace.
You don't even know you're born.
please don't insult me by telling me i don't know a thing about WWII or what roll Poland or any other nation played in it
You know shite!
Ok lets go throught this again. In 1939 Hitlers army was only a shadow of what it was before the French invasion. A large part of the German forces relied on horses. Hitler was not 100% sure of his capabilities in full combat - how could he be? no one had taken him on before? Right? He didn't have the tiger/panzer tanks that early! Hitler was shitting himself. The Polish cavalry (the best in the world at this time) was causing havoc amongst the German forces. The last cavalry battle took place at this early stage with the Germans! The Poles were kicking the Germans ass! To the North of Warsaw the Polish army routed the Germans and forced them back into East Prussia. German prisoners were being taken left right and centre.
They did what they said they would do!
A deal was made with the allies. The Poles would hold off the Germans for 2 weeks until the Brits and French invaded in the West! Not invade right up to Poland you prick!
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS INVADE GERMANY FROM THE WEST - ON FRANCES DOORSTEP! That would have distracted Hitler - he would have lost his nerve and the outcome may have been a lot different. But the allies didn't go. No honour. I'm alright Jack. It's as simple as that. But Poland carried on!
THE POLISH ARMY ONLY GAVE UP BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF FOOD AND AMMUNITION AFTER THREE WEEKS.
THEY HAD NO SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!
Hitler defeated Poland. Became cockey. Built his army even stronger.
Even when the Russian retards invaded from the East (duhhhh we have a deal with Hitler - and we beleive him - duhhhhh LLOOOLLLLL!!!!) the Polish army STILL kicked ass. They killed 999 russian soldiers in about 2 days whilst holding off the Germans from the West. The Poles shot down 600 german planes, 400 german tanks, inflicted 50,000 german casualties. LOOK IT UP! IT'S ALL THERE - IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO SEEK THE TRUTH. I'm sure you would rather refer to what is more comfortable for you. Look up the word 'Honour'. It's a good thing.
SO HERE IT IS AGAIN.
IF THE BRITS AND FRANCE INVADED FROM THE WEST AND RUSSIA SUPPORTED FROM THE EAST - HITLER WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUSHED.
NO WAR.
50,000,000 LIVES SAVED.
The allies fell back into self interest.
IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT?
Yeah, that's why there are 100's of 1,000s not depending on the job market in Britain on on benefits
Just one example - Poles have been asked specifically to do a renovation job here where I work because it has been done twice before by (whoever) and f**ked up. Why - because they get the job done. They pay their taxes and will be paying your pension.
5 million British men gave their lives plus
400,000 actually (still a lot) Remember, britain went to war because the invasion of Poland was the final straw! Obviously not to protect Poland (because they didn't) but to start to put a stop to Hitler because eventually he would reach the Channel.
plus Im not sure how many women and children were burried alive under the rubble of the houses that were bombed
40,000 dead from Bombing. You almost sound like the Germans - being at war and not expecting to be bombed yourself? How dare they! Remember, Britain was at war becuase they had no choice. Hitler was a comin. (Not to protect Poland) By the way, because Britain bombed German cities, 35,000 Polish men women and children were dragged out of their house in Warsaw and shot in the streets in a few days by the Germans as revenge. Didn't know that did you.
So we can have some ignorant turd say, we owe them nothing, they did nothing...
You are a disgrace.
You don't even know you're born.
Ogorki
20 Jun 2009
News / Poland and Germany - Germany unhappy with the present border with Poland? [88]
I would much rather trade Wroclaw with Lwow and Szczecin with Wilno.
Wilno and Lwow are much nicer. Lwow is bigger than Krakow.
I would much rather trade Wroclaw with Lwow and Szczecin with Wilno.
Wilno and Lwow are much nicer. Lwow is bigger than Krakow.
Ogorki
20 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Noone is 100% anything. No not 100% - but majority:)
Where can you find Copernicus statues?
Poles were not invited to the London victory parade of 1945
Poles and Ukranians have been stabbing eachother for years. GROW UP!!
3 times in fact. Poland provided a convenient buffer to Europe against the Mongolians. Ghengis Khan himself said of Polish soldiers - You can cut down the grass in the fields, but turn your back for too long and the grass will grow around your feet and eventually strangle you. (or something like that)
The Turks of course and
The Russians in 1920. Remember England, France and Germany were spent after 5 years of war. Russia would have swept accross Europe had Poland not stopped her :)
And never forget that Poland was happily reading Enigma codes in Germany from the early 30's until she passed on the cracking codes to England just before the war :)
There are certain lies which Poles tell and will always tell. Examples include Copernicus was 100% Polish, Poles were not invited to the London victory parade of 1945, Poland didn't stab her Ukrainian allies in the back and Poles saved Europe.
The sad thing is that they genuinely believe their lies are actually the truth.
The sad thing is that they genuinely believe their lies are actually the truth.
Noone is 100% anything. No not 100% - but majority:)
Where can you find Copernicus statues?
Poles were not invited to the London victory parade of 1945
Poles and Ukranians have been stabbing eachother for years. GROW UP!!
3 times in fact. Poland provided a convenient buffer to Europe against the Mongolians. Ghengis Khan himself said of Polish soldiers - You can cut down the grass in the fields, but turn your back for too long and the grass will grow around your feet and eventually strangle you. (or something like that)
The Turks of course and
The Russians in 1920. Remember England, France and Germany were spent after 5 years of war. Russia would have swept accross Europe had Poland not stopped her :)
And never forget that Poland was happily reading Enigma codes in Germany from the early 30's until she passed on the cracking codes to England just before the war :)
Ogorki
18 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
No I got this point very well but a country has a RIGHT to suffer inner termoil - make mistakes - and be inward lookeing etc in safety and it's neighbours can offer help or just mind their own business. Unless of course this country is causing direct problems to neighbours which in this case I don't think so.
If you were walking in streets and found a drunk man sitting on steps - would you take advantage and steal his wallet?
No.
If you did - then you would be a C*nt.
Same example. It will never become more complicated than that.
All you have to do is read the history books, they all say the same thing.
Of course cossacks bravely faught the Turks but these were none decisive battles. They did not stop the Turks taking Europe and certainly did not save Poland from the Turks.
Before all this Poland was friendly with the Turks. They liked each other. The Polish nobility carried Turkish clothes. The cowboy boot originates from the Turkish boot. Kosciusko had Turkish boots when fighting in America and they caught on there:)
Poland did not want to attack Turks but had no choice.
If you want to deny history that is your problem. This forum does not want to know.
The victory of Vienna, which historians regard as one of the most decisive battles in the history of the world, saved Christian Europe from the Turkish domination that had lasted for many years.
Almost all European monarchs sent congratulations to King John. The Polish king and the army of the Commonwealth were seen as winners who confirmed Poland’s role as the bulwark of Christianity. To commemorate Sobieski’s victory Pope Innocent XI announced 12 September the day of glory of the Holy Name of Mary and to show his admiration for the Poles and their king the Pope accepted the sign of the Crowned Eagle into his papal coat of arms.
I have no problem with free speech - just don't undermine the honour and the integrity of fact.
You seem to be very patriotic, but you completely missed the point of my post.
It was about looking for the fault in ourselves not in others and about trying to
make Poland a better and stronger country in the future.
It was about looking for the fault in ourselves not in others and about trying to
make Poland a better and stronger country in the future.
No I got this point very well but a country has a RIGHT to suffer inner termoil - make mistakes - and be inward lookeing etc in safety and it's neighbours can offer help or just mind their own business. Unless of course this country is causing direct problems to neighbours which in this case I don't think so.
If you were walking in streets and found a drunk man sitting on steps - would you take advantage and steal his wallet?
No.
If you did - then you would be a C*nt.
Same example. It will never become more complicated than that.
Please, save not only me, but others from laughter, "saviours".
All you have to do is read the history books, they all say the same thing.
Of course cossacks bravely faught the Turks but these were none decisive battles. They did not stop the Turks taking Europe and certainly did not save Poland from the Turks.
Before all this Poland was friendly with the Turks. They liked each other. The Polish nobility carried Turkish clothes. The cowboy boot originates from the Turkish boot. Kosciusko had Turkish boots when fighting in America and they caught on there:)
Poland did not want to attack Turks but had no choice.
If you want to deny history that is your problem. This forum does not want to know.
The victory of Vienna, which historians regard as one of the most decisive battles in the history of the world, saved Christian Europe from the Turkish domination that had lasted for many years.
Almost all European monarchs sent congratulations to King John. The Polish king and the army of the Commonwealth were seen as winners who confirmed Poland’s role as the bulwark of Christianity. To commemorate Sobieski’s victory Pope Innocent XI announced 12 September the day of glory of the Holy Name of Mary and to show his admiration for the Poles and their king the Pope accepted the sign of the Crowned Eagle into his papal coat of arms.
I have no problem with free speech - just don't undermine the honour and the integrity of fact.
Ogorki
18 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Czechoslovak_border_conflicts
Read the text. 1919 Czechoslovakia and Poland already fighting. They agree to an interim border. 1919 Poland is fighting with Ukraine regarding eastern Galacia and Czechoslovakia take advantage of weaker Polish troops and enter interim Polish territory. The allies have to intervene and stop Czech advance.
Sound familiar?
1939 Poland returns the favour to Czechoslovakia
Yes Poland may have sided with Hitler in 1938 to get parts of Czechoslovakia but Slovakia sided with Hitler in 1939 to retrieve territory from Poland :)
This re-annexation happened in October 1939 (officially confirmed on 24 November 1939) when Slovakia supported Nazi Germany's attack on Poland in September 1939
however -...
The Czechoslovak President Beneš, decided to give the territories regained during WWII (i. e. northern Spiš and northern Orava) to Poland again
What in the holy fcuk are you talking about? Move 20 years later:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Czechoslovak_border_conflicts
Read the text. 1919 Czechoslovakia and Poland already fighting. They agree to an interim border. 1919 Poland is fighting with Ukraine regarding eastern Galacia and Czechoslovakia take advantage of weaker Polish troops and enter interim Polish territory. The allies have to intervene and stop Czech advance.
Sound familiar?
1939 Poland returns the favour to Czechoslovakia
Yes Poland may have sided with Hitler in 1938 to get parts of Czechoslovakia but Slovakia sided with Hitler in 1939 to retrieve territory from Poland :)
This re-annexation happened in October 1939 (officially confirmed on 24 November 1939) when Slovakia supported Nazi Germany's attack on Poland in September 1939
however -...
The Czechoslovak President Beneš, decided to give the territories regained during WWII (i. e. northern Spiš and northern Orava) to Poland again
Ogorki
18 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Ok one by one. Poland started out with similar borders to what it has now. Prussia started in north east part close to where Russian enclave kaliningrad is now. Prussia expanded into pomerania and silesia and eastern Germany but was destroyed by napoleaon - which in turn freed up Poland from the partition. Lithuania took over Bielorus and western ukraine to become Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Poland combined with Lithuania peacfully through marriage of Lithuanian Queen and Polish King.
Where did Poland take any of your listed countries by force?
The partitions were not a mercy mission to restore lost territories from Duchy of Lithuania -they were to defend against an ever stronger Kingdom of Poland.
During the seige of Vienna - the Turks were outside viennea and threatened to take all of Europe. Germany, Prussia, France etc begged Poland to attack the Turks because Poland was the best power in Europe. Poland defeated the Turks, saved Europe and how did Europe thank Poland - approx 70 years later - dismantle the country.
Thank you very much you back stabbing mother fackers :)
Why don't we partition USA and give land back to Indians or Spanish?
Ok one by one. Poland started out with similar borders to what it has now. Prussia started in north east part close to where Russian enclave kaliningrad is now. Prussia expanded into pomerania and silesia and eastern Germany but was destroyed by napoleaon - which in turn freed up Poland from the partition. Lithuania took over Bielorus and western ukraine to become Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Poland combined with Lithuania peacfully through marriage of Lithuanian Queen and Polish King.
Where did Poland take any of your listed countries by force?
The partitions were not a mercy mission to restore lost territories from Duchy of Lithuania -they were to defend against an ever stronger Kingdom of Poland.
During the seige of Vienna - the Turks were outside viennea and threatened to take all of Europe. Germany, Prussia, France etc begged Poland to attack the Turks because Poland was the best power in Europe. Poland defeated the Turks, saved Europe and how did Europe thank Poland - approx 70 years later - dismantle the country.
Thank you very much you back stabbing mother fackers :)
Why don't we partition USA and give land back to Indians or Spanish?
Ogorki
18 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Czech troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czech troops gained the upper hand over the weaker Polish units. The majority of Polish forces were engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia at that time. Czechoslovakia was forced to stop the advance by the Allies, and Czechoslovakia and Poland were compelled to sign a new demarcation line on February 3, 1919 in Paris. A final line was set up at the Spa Conference in Belgium. On July 28, 1920, the western part of the disputed territory was given to Czechoslovakia while Poland received the eastern part, thus creating a Zaolzie with a substantial Polish minority
Sounds like an even squabble which was settled reasonable.
You see even brothers fight sometimes :)
The Ukrainians invaded Poland with the Russians with the aim of destroying her. The Poles defended and beat the attacks of the Ukrainians and the Russians who invaded her sovereign soil. Ukraine PAID THE PRICE - LIKE GERMANY DID AFTER WWII :)
If Ukraine did not attack Poland she would not have lost her territory.
It will never become more complicated than that.
God - honour and counrty - always :)
Well....remember Poland taking a bite out of helpless Czechoslovakia?
Czech troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czech troops gained the upper hand over the weaker Polish units. The majority of Polish forces were engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia at that time. Czechoslovakia was forced to stop the advance by the Allies, and Czechoslovakia and Poland were compelled to sign a new demarcation line on February 3, 1919 in Paris. A final line was set up at the Spa Conference in Belgium. On July 28, 1920, the western part of the disputed territory was given to Czechoslovakia while Poland received the eastern part, thus creating a Zaolzie with a substantial Polish minority
Sounds like an even squabble which was settled reasonable.
You see even brothers fight sometimes :)
Or the carving up of the Ukraine after 1921?
The Ukrainians invaded Poland with the Russians with the aim of destroying her. The Poles defended and beat the attacks of the Ukrainians and the Russians who invaded her sovereign soil. Ukraine PAID THE PRICE - LIKE GERMANY DID AFTER WWII :)
If Ukraine did not attack Poland she would not have lost her territory.
It will never become more complicated than that.
But the "vultures" are always the others...right?
Poles are of course always right!
Poles are of course always right!
God - honour and counrty - always :)
Ogorki
17 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
You pot smoking hippy!!! SNAP OUT OF IT!
Yes Poland had inner termoil - just like any other country but that was no business to her neighbours who took advantage of that termoil and systematically partitioned the country. Poland did not partition herself! It took three jealous, intimidated and ignorant neighbours who in a cowardly fassion ganged up on Poland to resecure their own place in Europe.
Just because a country becomes volnerable through selfishness - or whatever, it does not give the right for neighbours to behave like vultures.
You pot smoking hippy!!! SNAP OUT OF IT!
Yes Poland had inner termoil - just like any other country but that was no business to her neighbours who took advantage of that termoil and systematically partitioned the country. Poland did not partition herself! It took three jealous, intimidated and ignorant neighbours who in a cowardly fassion ganged up on Poland to resecure their own place in Europe.
Just because a country becomes volnerable through selfishness - or whatever, it does not give the right for neighbours to behave like vultures.
Ogorki
17 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Bratwurst - can you explain why your standard of english keeps changing? Some threads your english is very good. Some it sounds a little broken.
I think there are more than one people using your name to post on this forum :)
Am I right...?
Well...at least I don't patronize the Poles when they answer in kind as you did with poor Sasha!
Bratwurst - can you explain why your standard of english keeps changing? Some threads your english is very good. Some it sounds a little broken.
I think there are more than one people using your name to post on this forum :)
Am I right...?
Ogorki
17 Jun 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Well have you?
Ironside:
Nothing to be proud of unfortunately
Well...says a Pole! :)
Nothing to be proud of unfortunately
Well...says a Pole! :)
Well have you?
Ogorki
17 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Lviv and Przemysl belonged to Lithuania from 1200. Lithuania and Poland united through marriage peacfully so Poland gained Lwow and Przemysl peacfully - and not by force.
Have you finished renovating Lviv yet?!! I want to visit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_of_Lithuania
I think Ironside and Sokrates should look at Przemysl on your map.
Lviv and Przemysl belonged to Lithuania from 1200. Lithuania and Poland united through marriage peacfully so Poland gained Lwow and Przemysl peacfully - and not by force.
Have you finished renovating Lviv yet?!! I want to visit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_of_Lithuania
Ogorki
14 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
If germany did not exist (or was not such an ass) Poland would today be the most powerful - most influential - and possibly richest coutry in Europe. After 1500AD her neighbours felt intimidated vulnerable and most of all jealous of Polands military - social - scientific and economic achievements.
I can see why Germany (the child that it is) did not want Poland to exist :)
It will never become more complicated than that.
That Europe would had been better off in the end without a Poland?
If germany did not exist (or was not such an ass) Poland would today be the most powerful - most influential - and possibly richest coutry in Europe. After 1500AD her neighbours felt intimidated vulnerable and most of all jealous of Polands military - social - scientific and economic achievements.
I can see why Germany (the child that it is) did not want Poland to exist :)
It will never become more complicated than that.
Ogorki
14 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
The Polish problem is that Germany and Russia want it :)
It will never become more compilcated than that.
Germany surely didn't create the polish problem (we tried to solve it later though).
The Polish problem is that Germany and Russia want it :)
It will never become more compilcated than that.
Ogorki
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Thats not constructive.
One day I'd like to visit Lviv/Lwow and buy a burger with a Ukranian friend and then maybe start renovating those bloody buildings before they fall down
Oh come on Nathan, its proven scientifically that Ukrainian people aint human and have no souls
Thats not constructive.
One day I'd like to visit Lviv/Lwow and buy a burger with a Ukranian friend and then maybe start renovating those bloody buildings before they fall down
Ogorki
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Przemysl was first invaded by the Hungarians. How it ended up Polish is unclear. How do you know it was by force? Like I said earlier - Wilnius became Polish through friendly marriage between King and Queen. It was mutual. Countries can gain land peacefully also. Can you confirm history of Przemysl and how it became Polish?
Can you confirm how Lviv became Polish? Maybe they lost it in a bet? Sold it? Who knows?
I think Ironside and Sokrates should look at Przemysl on your map.
Przemysl was first invaded by the Hungarians. How it ended up Polish is unclear. How do you know it was by force? Like I said earlier - Wilnius became Polish through friendly marriage between King and Queen. It was mutual. Countries can gain land peacefully also. Can you confirm history of Przemysl and how it became Polish?
Can you confirm how Lviv became Polish? Maybe they lost it in a bet? Sold it? Who knows?
Ogorki
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Gdansk - yet the first time we hear of it is 997 Then a bishop voyaging in the train of Prince Boleslaw the Brave conducted a mass baptism in the port town, or urbs, without realising he was marking an official birth too. The date appears in the writings of the scribe Johannis Cannaparius, a Benedicte monk, who dutifully recorded Gdansk as having been visited by Bishop Adalbert.
Yes Germans lived there. It's not our fault they are a pushy outspoken bunch and get their names recorded as living there.
historytoday.com/MainArticle.aspx?m=13497&amid=13497
Gdansk - yet the first time we hear of it is 997 Then a bishop voyaging in the train of Prince Boleslaw the Brave conducted a mass baptism in the port town, or urbs, without realising he was marking an official birth too. The date appears in the writings of the scribe Johannis Cannaparius, a Benedicte monk, who dutifully recorded Gdansk as having been visited by Bishop Adalbert.
Yes Germans lived there. It's not our fault they are a pushy outspoken bunch and get their names recorded as living there.
historytoday.com/MainArticle.aspx?m=13497&amid=13497
Ogorki
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
This German map shows how Poland looked at the beginning. Thanks Germans. Pomerania was slavic groups including Kaszubian. Prussia was slavic group that worshiped the snake.
Slavic groups inhabited parts of what is now northern Germany including Rostock and Lubeck until they were kicked out by westward Germans.
Gdansk was established by a Slavic monk. Mieszko simply took it over. Mieszko did not one day say here will be a sea town. The monk did that. Nothing to do with Germany.
Slavs occupied northern Europe first. The Germans came down from Scandinavia afterwards and took over . Remember Poland is over 1000 years old. Germany is couple hundred years old.
This map shows Lviv as in Ukraine. Poland took over Lviv to develop Lwow. Lwow is pretty much a Polish town in the Ukrane. Like having an adopted child. Try taking a child away from parents that adopt it. Lwow should be Ukranian but open for all to develop - like all cities should be.
Wilno became Polish through friendly marriage of King and Queen. Why we fighting over Wilno?
Finally - I am convinced that Bratworst is a Fictionary character made up by the Polish Forums to inspire/provoke debate and cause Poles to defend their country and history because I can't beleive one person could consistantly come onto this forum and be so wrong each time. You lose your arguments and just say, " just get over it/move on/blah blah...)
This German map shows how Poland looked at the beginning. Thanks Germans. Pomerania was slavic groups including Kaszubian. Prussia was slavic group that worshiped the snake.
Slavic groups inhabited parts of what is now northern Germany including Rostock and Lubeck until they were kicked out by westward Germans.
Gdansk was established by a Slavic monk. Mieszko simply took it over. Mieszko did not one day say here will be a sea town. The monk did that. Nothing to do with Germany.
Slavs occupied northern Europe first. The Germans came down from Scandinavia afterwards and took over . Remember Poland is over 1000 years old. Germany is couple hundred years old.
This map shows Lviv as in Ukraine. Poland took over Lviv to develop Lwow. Lwow is pretty much a Polish town in the Ukrane. Like having an adopted child. Try taking a child away from parents that adopt it. Lwow should be Ukranian but open for all to develop - like all cities should be.
Wilno became Polish through friendly marriage of King and Queen. Why we fighting over Wilno?
Finally - I am convinced that Bratworst is a Fictionary character made up by the Polish Forums to inspire/provoke debate and cause Poles to defend their country and history because I can't beleive one person could consistantly come onto this forum and be so wrong each time. You lose your arguments and just say, " just get over it/move on/blah blah...)
Ogorki
10 Mar 2009
Work / US girl wondering if I can relocate to Poland without help of an employer [22]
Just out of interest what is it that attracts you to Poland this way?
Just out of interest what is it that attracts you to Poland this way?
Ogorki
5 Mar 2009
Travel / An experience on the train in Warsaw [30]
ooh dear - ere we go :-
once upon a time there was a bad person (a mugger) who got a job on a train :) he was not happy with his crap rail pay so he decided to extort money from unasuming customers. People think they are safe - an official train guard - he must be a nice man - surely! A stranger - but nice. The (mugger) manages to get money from weak travellers who are intimidated and supplements his weekly take home. Clever mugger - he doesnt need to kick the shit out of people because he has a brain. Hence the key word I used "creative".
Poles do not asault people to get money. They use their head. Poles asualt people when they get pissed off or offended. They still have that honour thing. Remember honour? Any clearer?
ooh dear - ere we go :-
once upon a time there was a bad person (a mugger) who got a job on a train :) he was not happy with his crap rail pay so he decided to extort money from unasuming customers. People think they are safe - an official train guard - he must be a nice man - surely! A stranger - but nice. The (mugger) manages to get money from weak travellers who are intimidated and supplements his weekly take home. Clever mugger - he doesnt need to kick the shit out of people because he has a brain. Hence the key word I used "creative".
Poles do not asault people to get money. They use their head. Poles asualt people when they get pissed off or offended. They still have that honour thing. Remember honour? Any clearer?
Ogorki
5 Mar 2009
Travel / An experience on the train in Warsaw [30]
..and I'm sure Poles suspect you for the superiority complex that you have - it's probably better that way.
GoDfaTheR420
Here in the UK they would have kicked the crap out of you and just taken the money. (it's called mugging) They are a lot more creative in Poland - they make an effort to extract peoples money instead of just taking you down an alley. Consider yourself lucky you were in Poland.
I've been mugged 3 times in the UK. In Poland I only get inspired.
I am not amazed at the lengths Poles go through to cheat there way to money any more. I just suspect it, its better that way.
..and I'm sure Poles suspect you for the superiority complex that you have - it's probably better that way.
GoDfaTheR420
Here in the UK they would have kicked the crap out of you and just taken the money. (it's called mugging) They are a lot more creative in Poland - they make an effort to extract peoples money instead of just taking you down an alley. Consider yourself lucky you were in Poland.
I've been mugged 3 times in the UK. In Poland I only get inspired.
Ogorki
27 Feb 2009
Travel / Anyone been to Zakopane? [36]
youtube.com/watch?v=v0NseLu4IyE&NR=1
skiing in Zakopane :):):):):)
youtube.com/watch?v=v0NseLu4IyE&NR=1
skiing in Zakopane :):):):):)
Ogorki
21 Feb 2009
UK, Ireland / Supermarkets in Poland: differences and similarities to the UK. [62]
IT'S ALL LIES I TELL YOU!!!
IT'S ALL LIES I TELL YOU!!!
Ogorki
21 Feb 2009
UK, Ireland / Supermarkets in Poland: differences and similarities to the UK. [62]
here at home I go to sainsbury's and walk left to get to the sausages, but in Asda I can walk straight up to the sausages. but then in sainsbury's they keep changing the bloody layout so just when you get used to where everything is - you have to learn it all again. there you go.
here at home I go to sainsbury's and walk left to get to the sausages, but in Asda I can walk straight up to the sausages. but then in sainsbury's they keep changing the bloody layout so just when you get used to where everything is - you have to learn it all again. there you go.
Ogorki
21 Feb 2009
UK, Ireland / Supermarkets in Poland: differences and similarities to the UK. [62]
WHAT??!!! THEY SWIPE AN ITEM AND IT BLEEPS!! THAT'S IT!
In general:
Service is much better in the UK.
Staff have a better work ethic in the UK.
Service is much better in the UK.
Staff have a better work ethic in the UK.
WHAT??!!! THEY SWIPE AN ITEM AND IT BLEEPS!! THAT'S IT!