History / The movie Defiance is a big lie (heroes that saved Poland suppored communism) [102]


Yes you did. But you think it's a war crime if we defend ourselves.


It pisses them off that we exist. It makes no difference what we do.

History / The movie Defiance is a big lie (heroes that saved Poland suppored communism) [102]


Listen, you "dumb gentile", the german jews more than any other jewish community in the world assimilated into the host culture. Since the 18th century there were prominent german jewish writers, composers, industrialists, and professionals whose culture was totally german and they were very patriotic about being germans. Jews were big proponents of the unification of germany in the 19th century. They were so "german" in their eyes that they would have changed their DNA if they could have. A lot of good it did them! Germany proved that assimilation is impossible for Jews. That's why the only future for Jews is in our own independent country, Israel. And that's why we will do whatever we have to to protect that country even if the clowns on this forum don't like it.

History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]


You make a ridiculous statement and then you ask me why we do it. We don't. That's my answer.

And you, Celinski,
You always bellyache about how Polish suffering doesn't get enough mention. Instead of complaining, why don't you set up a website yourself and focus on Polish suffering? No one's stopping you. Why do you think Jews have to do the work for you? Isn't it enough that we run the banks, do we also have to run the internet?

History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]


I've never heard that terminology (Judaists vs zionists). So get this straight: The vast majority of religious jews and rabbis are both committed to the jewish faith and also zionists since they see the return of Jews to their homeland as a fulfillment of the faith. (There are of course many non-religious jews who are zionists for more historic and cultural reasons). There are also some ultra-orthodox jews who are against zionism. They share the ultimate goal of returning to the homeland. They just believe that we should wait for the messiah before doing that. They also resent the secular nature of much of the zionist movement. But today, most ultra orthodox jews have accepted jewish statehood as a good thing, while keeping their distance ideologically. Their stance is no less political than the stance of religious zionists. Each has their ideology. Each has their interpretation of judaism. The zionist approach is by far more widespread.

History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

I'm jewish. But I don't have much to say about this discussion. Puzzler is in the way.

By the way, Seanus, you mentioned a conflict between the "judaists and the zionists". I've been a jew for a pretty long time and I haven't heard of that. Care to give some detail?

History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

As a Jew who has been exposed to every kind of story, book, movie, TV show, conversation and first hand accounts about the holocaust since I was a child, I can tell you that I never heard any Jew use the phrase "Polish concentration camp". Everyone knows it was the germans who built the camps in Poland. That issue is a waste of words. There's plenty for Jews and Poles to argue about, but not that.

History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

I agree. The Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainian and Rumanians were much worse than the Poles. The Dutch weren't as good as most people think either. And my great uncles were arrested by French police in Paris (not germans) and sent to Auschwitz.

History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

I'm a jew. I'm not rich. I've got no head for business either. Maybe you're right and I'm just a Khazar after all.

History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]


What the germans did to Poles, Roma and others was a horrible crime for which they should pay. None of that should be swept under the rug. The term "holocaust", however refers specifically to what they did to the jews, starting 1933. Its use is not meant to say that Jews were the only ones who suffered at the hands of the nazis. I think the reason the non jewish victims of the nazis were not as well known is because the communists turned the history of this era into "the struggle against fascism". This blurred the identity of the victims. They tried to erase the jewish identity of victims too. In Babi Yar the monuments referred to victims of Hitlerism and fascism and you wouldn't even know that they were Jews. But the communists didn't succeed in hiding the jewish identity of the victims because most Jews were outside the communist world and were able to publish books, articles and movies telling their story. The non-jewish victims for the most part were under the communist boot and were never given the chance to tell their story. The answer is to tell the story now, not to blame jews for getting too much publicity.

History / Question about Post WW2 Polish Jews etc [42]

Funny how nobody challenged the assumption that holocaust survivors are wealthy. You just can't get rid of the stereotype of money-grubbing jews, can you? I know plenty of holocaust survivors, I grew up with them, and I can tell you that most are not wealthy. Some are dirt poor, some are middle class and a few are very wealthy. If you honestly want to know how they became wealthy I would say that there was some "natural selection". In other words, a survivor was more likely to be resourceful. Another reason is that survivors had nothing to lose. You come out of Auschwitz with nothing, never having expected to live, so you're not afraid to take big risks. Some of the risks worked and most probably didn't. You only hear about the successes.

News / Interview by Krzystof Darewicz of Rzeczpiospolita (Polish Newspaper) [22]

I looked at that film 5 times and can't make out what he's saying in Hebrew because the english covers it up. But the one with the dark hair clearly says in Hebrew that they questioned him about "allegedly" being in the mossad. In other words the police suspected them and questioned them. Had they actually been Mossad agents it's inconceivable that they would appear on a popular talk show to chat about their experience. Real mossad agents aren't shown on Israeli TV without their faces pixeled out.

About the statement about "documenting" the event, I can't hear the Hebrew at all, just the word "event". I still don't buy it. You're saying that they told a Israeli TV talk show that they went in advance to document the event. That would be so incriminating that it would be public knowledge to the whole world by now. There's no way that they said that.

News / Interview by Krzystof Darewicz of Rzeczpiospolita (Polish Newspaper) [22]


Please state your source. I find it very doubtful that a real Mossad agent would speak publicly about anything. And they usually don't identify themselves as mossad agents.

Life / Lebanese willing to Move to Poland. [18]


What land back? The point is that we have no land dispute with Lebanon and we aren't occupying it. We withdrew our army from lebanon in 2000 and this was confirmed by the UN. So tell me again why they fired rockets into israel in 2006 and kidnapped and murdered three of our soldiers who were on the Israeli side of the border.

Well, this isn't the topic of the thread. So I'll reserve my opinion for other threads. I just didn't want to leave your comment unchallenged.

Genealogy / My grandpa was from Poland - Gresom Jopfa [44]


I agree that there's nothing wrong with having a big nose, so there's nothing wrong with saying Jews have them. But looking around at my friends and neighbors I must say that I don't see many with big noses. But they are shaped a bit differently than the noses I saw in Poland. Poles seemed to have pointy noses going a bit upward. Ours are either straight or curved downward. The main difference between the visual appearance of Poles and Jews is coloring - hair color, skin color and eyes. These of course are generalizations and the main thing is not to take it too seriously. (Unfortunately, there were periods of recent history when the shape of a nose or the color of ones eyes were the difference between life and death).

Life / Lebanese willing to Move to Poland. [18]


Hi. I'm israeli. I don't expect you to be pro-Israeli, but at least agree that if not for Hizbollah's attacks on Israel there would have been no war in 2006. I still can't figure out what gripe Hizbollah (now in the lebanese government) has against Israel. There's no border dispute, there's no occupation. What is their problem?

Genealogy / My grandpa was from Poland - Gresom Jopfa [44]


Well, I'm glad you found your roots, but it beats me why you get so hot under the collar about Jews being an ethnic group. Of course we have a few branches and there are cosmetic differences between Jews from india, for example, and Jews from Poland, but that's because of some intermarriage shaking up the gene pool. It's nothing to do with prejudice or holocausts. It's no insult to be a Jew. I've been one for years.

Genealogy / My grandpa was from Poland - Gresom Jopfa [44]

Gershom is a Jewish name. Juva could be a distorted spelling of Joffe which is a common Jewish name. You seem confused by the idea that a person can be a Jew and yet be Polish and not religious. You have a lot to learn. Jews are an ethnic group with its own religion, that is scattered in every continent. We don't all live in Israel, although it's slowly moving in that direction. Not every member of the tribe believes in the religion, but ethnically they are still Jews. Poland was about 10% Jewish before WWII.

Since we're talking about your father's father, even if he was a Jew, it doesn't make you a Jew, since Jewishness goes through the mothers.

News / POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN TROUBLE OVER JOKE? [29]


No. All the conspiracy strategies are in place. But I should probably get started on poisoning some wells. Ahh, a Jew's work is never done.

News / POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN TROUBLE OVER JOKE? [29]

I got nothing worse bothering me right now. That's why I'm hanging around here in PFland.

News / POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN TROUBLE OVER JOKE? [29]

What if it were told about a Polish-American president-elect? It wouldn't make sense, because Poles aren't cannibals, right? Well Africans, with all their faults, are also not cannibals. (I think it's more of an issue in some remote parts of new Guinea) So telling a joke like that is embarassing for the one who tells it becuase it shows his ignorance.

If I told a "Polish Joke" in a Polish university I would look like an idiot because it would look as if I believed the premise, that Poles are stupid.

Every group though, has to tell jokes about fools, so they pick a group at random. Americans pick Poles, British joke about the Irish. Polish Jews told jokes about jews from Chelm. Are people in Chelm known to be dumb?

News / POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN TROUBLE OVER JOKE? [29]

Whether the joke is funny or not is not the point. A politicial who makes a joke like that where peoiple can hear him is an idiot. If we (Israel) had a politicial doing that, I'd be real embarassed.

Life / muslim community in poland [430]

On paper the Muslim religion looks reasonable: One God, no idols, submitting to God's will - that all makes sense. But in practice, Islam is being taken over by insane evil people who excuse the most barbaric practices in the name of this religion. It's not individuals who do this but religious leaders and Muslim governments. The Palestinian movement also allowed itself to be taken over by Hamas, which is a "religious" terror group. Until mainstream Muslims oppose these thugs, I have to assume they are in agreement with them.

Food / Polish National Dish [54]

I have a bad sore throat now. Give a recipe for kogel mogel, please!

Food / Polish National Dish [54]

Well, now I know it's kogel mogel and not gogel mogel. My grandfather used to recommend that for a sore throat. I always thought it was a Jewish thing. Is that a regular Polish food?

Food / Polish National Dish [54]


There's a thing called "gogel mogel" made from eggs that's supposed to be good for a sore throat. Is that what you mean? Or is that a kind of Kugel (noodle or potato pudding)?

Food / Polish National Dish [54]

JUst for the knowledge: The main Polish Jewish foods are:
Cholent (beans, potatos, barley and meat cooked before sabbath and then left to stew slowly on a fire over night and eaten the next day.)

Holopches (stuffed cabbage)
Gefilte Fish (originally carp stuffed with chopped fish, but now ususally just the stuffing)
Chrain (ground horseradish, usually mixed with red beets) used as a sauce for the gefilte fish
Kishke (stuffed intestine)
P'tchah (jelled calves hooves with pepper and eggs - looks ugly but tastes good)
Tzimmes (sweet carrot pudding)
Compot (fruit soup - served cold)

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


It was not a majority in 1933 - he was appointed chancellor because of the complicated coalition politics of germany at that time. But the vote isn't the only thing that indicates support. After Hitler was in power, his popularity and the support for his insane program grew till it became almost universal in germany. And then Austria enthusiastically unifed with germany. By then the whole "Volk" was on the bandwagon. Funny how they went on and on about the "Volk", and then when the war was lost it became just a few individuals who did the nasty stuff and the "Volk" suddenly disappeared.


True. But that point shouldn't divert the attention from the actual perpetrators. If everyone is guilty then no one is guilty.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

The tendency to focus blame on Hitler and Nazism is obviously to allow other germans to claim innocence. But there is another strange phenomenom that works the other way: On a visit at the Auschwitz museum I heard an American lady say "We're all guilty for Auschwitz. All of mankind." She thought she was being very philosophical and compassionate. But by diluting the guilt to something vague she was absolving the people who did it. The Germans. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people, soldiers, police, judges and industrialists were willing participants in the holocaust. The german nazi program had enthusiastic supporters and helpers among peoples all over europe, but it was Germany as a nation that initiated, supported and executed the "final solution" and the conquering of most of europe. No german alive then can look in the mirror and deny this.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

The perfidious part is that leftists imply that naziism is the opposite of socialism. And then they use that to taint any iodeology that isn't socialist.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

For what?