UK, Ireland / The Independent about Poles in the UK: "Poles are under attack." [83]


That's fair enough. The thing that upests me is that it is often the same people who criticize the Brits in Krakow that will defend the mass influx of Poles to England. You can't have your cake and eat it. Pure hypocracy.

Persoanlly, I don't care. I have visited Krakow and respected the city, others haven't. Likewise with the Polish in London.

Why continually stereotype?

UK, Ireland / The Independent about Poles in the UK: "Poles are under attack." [83]


Cultural differences my friend. Some would say that reserving sunbeds with towels is not good etiquette but i'm not about to view Germans in a bad light because of it.

If groups are Brits are breaking the law in Krakow then the police should by all means take action. If they are just being loud and having too much fun for your liking then get over yourself and deal with it.


How about Polish men groping girls in clubs in London??

You say only British groups behave like this? Could it be that it is mainly young Brits who visit Krakow for a party weekend? Trust me, there are plenty who go there and don't. For what it's worth, I got sh*t from Polish men in nearly every club I went in to when i talked to 'their' women! I'm not about to judge all Polish men based on my personal experience.


Maybe that was harsh but you seem particularly intolrant of the British in Krakow when their are Polish behaving just as badly in London albeit in a different manner. The way you made your initial point also suggested that certain behaviour was a British trait.

UK, Ireland / The Independent about Poles in the UK: "Poles are under attack." [83]


Very well put.

UK, Ireland / The Independent about Poles in the UK: "Poles are under attack." [83]


At least we'd have a competitive cricket team ;)

UK, Ireland / Are the Poles in England hated? [450]


He clearly does. He is just a fisherman on a wind-up. Responding to him merely gets him 'flicked up'. The more indignant replies he receives, the more he gets off on it.

A the master of one-handed typing if you will.

If this thought disgusts you, my advice is to swim past the bait to ensure that this fisherman goes home without a catch!

It's pretty simple.

UK, Ireland / Anti-Polish sentiment of England [253]



Puzzy, how stupid are you? You complain about anti-Polish attitudes then use the term 'negro'. Talk about undermining your argument. I'm guessing you're not the brightest.

Even the Daily Mail wouldn't use a term like that...

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]


Crnogorac = David Irving

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]

The holocaust is open to historical debate, it shouldn't be a dangerous area.

People who deny it ever occurred however, are either incredibly ignorant historians (who are laughed at by their contemporaries), or neo-Nazis with an agenda.

I wouldn't like to pass judgement on Crnogorac. He is either a complete idiot or a Nazi. I'm not sure what is worse!!

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]


Incorrect. It is illegal to deny it, not to debate it.


Suggests straight denial, therefore I stand by the following point:



I have a degree in history and have studied the work of David Irving. He is viewed as a joke by his contemporaries (most don't even recognise him as a historian). His work is completely disregarded. This is because it is utter bollocks. He is an anti-semite with an agenda as are most deniers.


I use the term Nazi quite liberally. Maybe I should use the term neo-Nazi (or simply someone who shares Adolf's hatred of the Jews).

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]


He's viewed as a joke by the vast majority of historians. My best friend's grandmother is a very famous holocaust survivor who gives talks in London. She was asked to enter in to a debate with him, she refused on the grounds that entering such a debate (whether the holocaust actually occurred or not) simply legitimizes it.

Irving is in prison because, as you alluded to, holocaust denial is illegal in certain countries. His work is debated then (correctly) dismissed in English universities. The reason for this is that it is historically inaccurate.

If I argued that Hitler never invaded Poland, should my historical work be given any credence? Would it be debated in universities? The answer is no because it is bollocks, as is the ramblings of holocaust deniers.

Any intelligent person who has studied history will tell you this!


spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,550430,00.html

'A judge called Horst Mahler "utterly incorrigible" after he denied the Holocaust, again, in open court.'

'Charges against Mahler include sedition, using gestures of an anti-constitutional organization and criminal insult. Holocaust denial in Germany falls under the crime of sedition, or Volksverhetzung, because it's regarded as an incitement against Jews as an ethnic group.'

As i said, holcaust denial is illegal in some countries, thus the prison sentence. This man is clearly a Nazi which I think enforces my argument about the non-historical anti-semitic agenda of deniers.

This is not historical debate, it is not a quest for knowledge. We shouldn't even consider talking about it.

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]


You are confusing historical analysis/debate of the Holocaust with outright denial. There is a clear difference. Deniers attempt to manifest their agenda through the false notion that they are historians debating/analysing a point.

They are not historians, they are simply anti-semites with an agenda. Please find me one denier who does not have known links with the far right! Does this not tell you something? Any such denier who labels himself a historian would not be taken seriously by any of his contemporaries. Does the fact that all credible historians maintain the holocaust happened not tell you something?

Whether denial should be a criminal offence is a point of debate. For what it's worth, I don't believe it should. In England we allow deniers to express their views then use the evidence on hand to destroy the credibility of their theories. It's in my opinion, the best way to maintain freedom of speech but also nip in the bud any anti-semite agendas dressed as 'historical debate'. The situation is slightly different in Austria/Germany for reasons which have been alluded to already.

You suggest that no 'history' should be off topic. I'm not suggesting it should be off topic, merely that it is not given the time of day (i.e. taught in schools etc). If I came up with a historical theory which maintained that Hitler never invaded Poland, should this be taught as an alternative history? No. Why? Because it's made-up bollocks, just like Holocaust denial. The difference, is I made my theory up to illustrate a point, deniers made up their theory because they hate Jews.

UK, Ireland / Boris Johnson has been declared the Mayor of London [25]

Great result. I'd love to have seen the moment when Ken realised the people of London prefer a demented sheepdog to him.

I would have voted but I was playing football.

priorities.

UK, Ireland / Boris Johnson has been declared the Mayor of London [25]


No, I had to wake up and attend my place of employment. Didn't have time to do it in the morning and played football straight after work.

Was considering voting Boris for the already stated reason. Alternatively, the next four years could be such a joke that the postion of The Mayor London is abolished completely. It's win/win.

I'm just relieved that the irritating nasal I know best Ken has been removed

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]

I'm not sure if you understood my statement!


I understand your point but I draw the line at people like Irving. FWIW I don't think he should be locked up, just not taken seriously.

I think the following accurately demonstrates the different ways that denial can be defined.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

History / An Example of Falsifying Historical Facts and Degrading Poland [46]


Interesting - yes, but given legitimacy as a genuine historic argument - no. The only problem with Irving's work is that there are idiots who are actually believe it. On my university course, his work was used as an example of how 'evidence' can be distorted to form an innacurate revised version of events. In his case to satisfy a a rampant anti-semitic agenda.


I can't disagree with you there.

UK, Ireland / WHY DO POLISH PEOPLE THAT COME TO ENGLAND CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH? [118]


Proffesional footballer's in England earn well over 10 times what they do in Poland.

Hope that helps.

Love / BLACK GUYS POLISH WOMEN [809]


You will generally find this is more of a problem in Eastern Europe than in America and the UK. I have a good friend who doesn't travel there with his partner for that very reason.

You can't blame them though, this kind of bigotry was common in the UK not so long ago.

UK, Ireland / Are the Poles in England hated? [450]


Tell that to Gordon Brown ;)

UK, Ireland / Are the Poles in England hated? [450]


Or the West Lothian question?

UK, Ireland / Are the Poles in England hated? [450]


Bring it on. The less of Britain that London has to subsidze the better :)

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]



They are two different nations...


Every nation has it's sick f*cks whether they be murderers or rapists. Having said that, the Fritzl case surpasses any of the examples you have given for sheer depravity. I mean to imprison and rape your daughter, father a child (well seven) with her, and then rape and imprison the resultant child (who is also your grandchild)...

The mind boggles.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


It could happen anywhere, I wouldn't suggest for one minute that this behaviour is peculiar to Austrians! Although they do seem to like their secret sex dungeons ;)

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


dictionary.com

nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.

So do Germany and Austria share a government or are you talking rubbish?


Once again, utter rubbish... but by all means continue.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


The dictionary suggests otherwise my friend. Your definition would suggest that Americans are the same nationality as the English?


Is Cyprus governed by Greece? If so, they are part of the Greek nation. A nation state is defined by governments and borders not shared culture.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]

You are confused. This has nothing to do with nationality.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


*bangs head against brick wall*

Russia and Estonia are seperate nation states. The Russian nation is different from the Estonian nation, despite the fact that the people used to belong to the same nation.

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A NATION IS DEFINED BY BORDERS AND GOVERNANCE.

I really hope that helps.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


Keep digging. Or alternatively you could admit you are wrong.

I'll help you out once more... you are confusing nationality with the concept of the nation.

A nation is defined by borders and governance. No matter how much you argue, you are overlooking this argument defining fact!

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


dictionary.com

Er... I'll go with the dictionary. Seriously now, you are making yourself look really really, stupid.

Polonia / German nation - degradation or just deviation? Your opinions? [66]


Note the title of the thread, namely the term nation. Nationality is different, you can have dual nationality but the two nations in question are seperate.

Hope that helps.

Love / Don't Polish men fall for British women? [57]



I'm confused!! Are you asking whether Polish men fall for British women or whether (British) women fall for Polish men?

Either way, I'm sure the answer is yes.