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Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
News / SHOULD POLAND/EUROPE BE WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIA?? [90]

The primary mistake of Western Europe is that Russia follows some sort of economical or political logic.

Of course Russia doesnt want war whether cold or hot one but russian diplomacy and political groups are not civilized, you have to realise that untill now Russia solvied its problems by brutal violence, blackmail and murder rather than political dialogue.

In other words the new Russia is unused to a civilized dialogue and its diplomacy remains a clumsy and brutal affair, the greatest danger here is that Russia through this crude and emotional diplomacy will start a crisis because its western neighbours will at some point refuse to conceede to unreasonable demands and Russia given its simplistic brutal approach will not be able to back down.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Maluch anti-semitism naturally exists in Poland but its within the general international norm, the book you quote i'd regard as simply biased against Poland and thus forwarding false claims.

There was a massive effort to save Jews in Poland, of course relative to the amount of Jews killed it was not enough but given the conditions of the occupied country we did everything thats in our power and much much more.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Regarding the "Pianist" Szpilman himself admitted that parts of it were an "artistic interpretation" and given that Szpilman in reality survived only because of a polish family that hosted him ( which he did not mention in his memoirs but did admit in repeatedly both before cameras and in the press most notably NY Times ) his book is not a good account since its rather biased.

Mark you Szpilman was not anti-polish he simply went overboard with the jewish victimization and made everything and everyone else black which given the history of polish support is ungrateful and ungracefull from someone who was saved by Poles himself.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Escape from Sobibor by Rashke is a starkly anti-polish and slanderous book, some of the people he intervied were active communists who escaped from Poland while being pursued for crimes against humanity while others were proven to be the authors own invention, the book also contains severe inconsistencies as to how the camp operated or even about the daily schedule so its fairly clear he has taken some "liberties" with the book.

The thing amounts to a largely anti-polish pamphlet rather than a serious account, i would recommend "Under the whip of Swastika" written by a Rabbi survivor, you'll find both saviors and scum described there but ultimately its accurate rather than shit paper you forwarded.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

I thought Szpilman's account was fairly balanced. He didn't have axes to grind from what I could tell.

The point of it is that he felt so deeply victimized he following his claims "blotted out" various details, in fact i believe him completely, Szpilman wanted to show the evil that was done so much that he completely forgot the good, the fact that he was saved by Poles among it.

I have no beef with the fellow he dealt with the thing as he could, we got kicked in the nuts for that but turd happens.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

I note that you have nothing to say about the facts I posted: i.e. that nearly as many escapees killed by Polish civilians as by Germans and that Leon Feldhendler, one of the two leaders of the escape, was murdered by anti-semitic Poles in 1945.

I'm sorry i assumed this was an opinion based on Rashke rather than an actual thesis so no not nearly as many escapees were killed by Poles, in fact the accounts of even turning in the escaped Jews are extremely rare.

Most escaped Jews escaped with the help of polish organized and led escape nets and most Jews who escaped on their own were captured within half an hour to 24 hours so they didnt even make it to open areas.

The direct answer is, most Jews escaped due to polish aid and support, while on the whole there have been cases of Jews turned in or murdered they were extremely rare when compared to thousands saved.

It is estimated that one milion Poles took direct or indirect part in support and sheltering of the Jews, compare that with the few hundred accounts of anti-semitic crimes and you have your answer.
Sokrates   
19 Jan 2009
Love / Help! I just don't understand him.. [36]

Oh well, I'll just let nature take it's course :)

Pardon my french but that means he'll fuck you, live in fear of pregnancy and when you turn out not about to multiply he's gonna forget you ever existed.

Ps. yes we polish people are all bastards with 5 wives and 20 girlfriends, i lost count of how many kids i have though.
Sokrates   
20 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

The universe revolves around Poland you know.

Actually i find Jews were much worse than anyone of the people you mentioned, some of the worst NKVD and post war KGB were Jews, hell you harbor them in Israel to this day claiming what they did were not crimes against humanity ( goys are not human ?).

This discussion should be concerned more with jewish-communist crimes than alleged crimes towards Jews by people who went out of their way to save them only to be bathed in shit afterwards.
Sokrates   
20 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

But this is a thread about Polish Anti-semitism...

No this is a thread made by one of many twats who try to make a country which sacrificed so much to save Jews antisemitic.

Anti-semitism in Poland was rare, Jews should come to us on their fucking knees wearing sings "i'm an ungrateful dipshit who spits on my saviors" and beg us for forgivness for the slander towards people who died to save them instead they pick a rare case of anti-semitism.

No Poland was not anti-semit. Every Jew and everyone else who says so should be dragged by his face to Poland to beg forgivness from still living Poles who saved Jews.

Yes TODAY we are anti-semitic because many jewish circles by and large are vile people who peddle Holocaust and accusations and given that WE as a nation saved so many its particulary insulting and unfair.

Personally i'm not an anti-semit since it requires a certain low level IQ to judge people by ethnicity or nationality but i despise all Jews who try to peddle holocaust and guilt and what they did to Poland with their books and accounts is scandalous and unexplainable.
Sokrates   
21 Jan 2009
Love / Help! I just don't understand him.. [36]

But why on earth did he start this then if he knows in the long run he doesn't want anything out of it?

Because having sex for the hell of it is fun.

I guess some men are just complete arseholes :/ lol

Only if you're stupid enough to let us.

Do you think I should confront him about it....? or bad idea?

If he didnt promise you anything and it was all just implications its a bad idea as he'll play stupid and you'll end up looking a raving desperate.

If he did promise you something its a bad idea because he's inconsiderate and will just tell you to piss off and you'll end up looking desperate.

So yeah its a bad idea, best thing is to let him go fuck himself or his girlfriend or whoever he wants as long as its not you.
Sokrates   
21 Jan 2009
Love / Help! I just don't understand him.. [36]

Do you think ignoring him will just make him want to try and chase me again though?

Yes it will, we have this thing called ambition especially when its the dick thats doing the thinking for us, he'll keep it up untill you A. tell him to fuck himself. B. Let him fuck you.

In both cases the contact breaks off, in the first because you didnt want to have sex with him in the latter its because you had sex with him and he doesnt want anything more.

...

You know i just realised what a demoralised prick i used to be.
Sokrates   
21 Jan 2009
Love / Help! I just don't understand him.. [36]

As much as I hate to think of losing contact with him, do you think it would be better to remain friends, but just cut the whole flirting bullshit? I'll make it clear that I don't want to be his 'bit on the side'...

There's no such thing as friendship between a man and a woman and definitely not in your case, i'm not going to tell you what to do with all that, its up to you.
Sokrates   
22 Jan 2009
Love / Help! I just don't understand him.. [36]

Thats because there's many levels of "i want to fuck you" approach, some of them are "i want to fuck you but its too much trouble so lets be friends" and women cheat themselves that its their friendship we want :)
Sokrates   
22 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

And finally, as the most dark example of conflict, how was Jedwabne possible?

Jews murdered the polish elites.

And finally, as the most dark example of conflict, how was Jedwabne possible? Before the war Poles and Jews of this area lived in mutual co-existance

And then Jews became the prime executors of Stalins plan to murder every single member of inteligentsia in Poland, after that Poles were anything but gratefull and thats how Jedwabne happened.

After so much murder done by Jews it wasnt hard to believe the gossip that they killed again, even if they were civilians.
Sokrates   
22 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

You do know that Poland was divided between the USSR and the Nazi Germany ? Read up on what happened in the Soviet half and who did the killings, not the Russians thats for sure.
Sokrates   
22 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Ok, Sokrates. Things aren't so just by you saying they are so. Provide a link to back up your story.

I will give you the single best example of jewish attitude towards Poland and jewish crimes against Poles.

judicial-inc.biz/morel_a_jewish_monster.htm

"No basis whatsoever." Things are not the way they are because i say so but i say the way they are because they are this way.

So, origins of Polish anti-Semitism = Jews?

No because there is no "polish anti-semitism" Jews are disliked for what they've done to us and their post war attitude where they hide their shame behind a few crimes we did commit and vague statements of polish anti-semits but the mythical polish anti-semitism simply does not exist.

Actually, I find interesting aspect from the Polish side towards their Jewish countrymen that was expressed during WW II. In the same time the Poles saved the most Jews by number than in any other European country, and also on the other hand one can clearly show this sentiment that we are talking about here.

No one cannot clearly show any sentiment, the entire point is that majority of the Poles were sympathetic and many were active in their efforts to save as many Jews as possible whereas the Jews attempt to show it was the other way around partially to hide the fact that the NKVD is Poland was largely jewish.

NKVD's precessor Cheka was Feliks Dzierżyński, member of Polish nobility.

And of jewish roots, speaking yiddish fluently and being influenced by jewish circles in Lithuania, check out his biography.

So in what conclusion do we end up here?

Jews are responsible for genocide of polish people and to hide this fact they equalled their saviors to their Nazi opressors if only out of shame.
Sokrates   
22 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Every biographic information strop including Wiki says so about Felix so please dont say you havent found any information.

So, there is Jewish anti-Polonism but no such thing as Polish anti-Semitism exist?

That is correct, there is a wide spread anti-polish sentiment that justifies this as calling jewish but there is no widespread polish anti-semitism, there are of course genuine polish anti-semits but they're few and far between.

No one here, exept you perhaps, is equalling Polish people to Nazis.

Here as in on this forum ? No but in media and books as well as in testimonies Jews constantly do.
Sokrates   
23 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

As must Poles during the Centuries being happy citizens of Prussia, Austria and Russia?

Oddly enough no, there wasnt much intermarriage between Germans and Poles and the vast majority of rapes that happened happened on Germans so tovarish Bratwurst zdarava!
Sokrates   
2 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

Harry i must ask you, what is your purpose here ? You're obviously a troll, you post here most of the time in an anti-polish fashion, its bloody clear that you do not like us or our country so why post here ?

Just please dont go "i have nothing against you" because so many of your posts reek of arrogant bullshit that attempts to be insulting without vulgarity so why are you here ? I'm by no means kicking you out and even if i had the power to i wouldnt but i'm curious why post on a forum belonging to the people you dislike or maybe even hate ?
Sokrates   
2 Feb 2009
History / Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture? [292]

The poster in the title post is a german nazi propaganda poster released and placed around Warsaw sometime late 1939/1940.

A copy or two actually survived the war and several reproductions were made to be hanged in museums in Poland.
Sokrates   
2 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

who cares???

I do, the guy goes out of his way to smear all things polish in shit, i'm curious as to why ? Maybe a Pole got his job ? A polish girl denied him ?
Sokrates   
2 Feb 2009
History / Panslavic vision of Poland. [32]

moreover as you noticed Poland withdraws some of her lands back.

And how do they feel about Poland hating them ? Because that element of russian mentality is perceived as infantile and uncivilized, that kind of barbarians were responsible for all the shame and indignity that the history of Russia is.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

By the way Judaism is the religion, and Jewish(ness) is the race.

Rubbish. Judaism is both a religion and a way of defining whether one is within the nation of Israel, ethnic Jews can choose to stop being a Jew by taking on another religion and some shools of judaism will allow anyone to convert and become a Jew so theoretically you can have an asian Jew or an Obama Jew or even Micheal Jackson who went through several skin colors.

Grzegorz, please share with us why you hate Jews. i am a Jew and very pround of it. my family is from Kinsk (Konskie). and since you are not a coward, share your real name

I strongly suggest you never ever attempt to accuse people of anti-semitism in this forum, its one of these rare places where attempting to capitalize on you being a Jew or using holocaust and guilt tactics will not work.

You are here with your knowledge and your values and everyone here will take you for their worth, if you attempt to lean on being a Jew and using anti-semit argument you'll just end up looking an idiot.

That said Jews were not assimilated in Poland and a large part of them ( though not majority ) was rabidly anti-polish, virtually 90% of crimes done on Poles by the Soviets can be traced back to Jews.

Katyń is perhaps the only large crime in which jewish-polish NKVD officers had no part.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Panslavic vision of Poland. [32]

History of Russia is a shame and indignity? Nothing more?

Of course there's a lot more, there's sacrifice and heroism but ultimately if you look at russian history its one of abuse, lie and tyranny. A common russian did show merit but the nation and the country did not.

Russia pursued power at any cost, the cost was dignity to the point where Russia has to rewrite its own history not be haunted by shame of it.

Do you think Soviet people were ever told to occupy Poland? The vast majority thought and think of the fraternal Polish people being liberated and it's at least irrationally to blame them for every single sin. Blame those who they were cheated by.

Sasha like i said there is a difference between a common Russian and Russia as a whole, somehow the sum of great people is a very dark and twisted country, personally i think its because Russians were never trully civilizationally or politically aware and despite obvious inteligence and education the elites failed to develop ethics and morality as we know it.

was it that bad or was it actually bad since this raised me with a strong belief that Poles were our brothers?

No thats about right, even despite all the history between us when you ask polish people how they feel about Russians a crushing majority will speak in superlatives only so there's something going on there.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture? [292]

Between the propaganda against the Jews and the Bolsheviks in the East there is a huge gap: Poland!

There's a reason for that, initially Hitlers regime had a much more humane face, Jews were to be kicked out to Israel and Poland assimilated ( much like what Germany is trying to do via EU at the moment ) but given UK resistance to jewish immigration and polish refusal to blatantly bend over and be fucked the regime reacted with inflexibility and the only solution was "kill 'em all" they didnt really have time to prepare anything interesting for Poles especially since they didnt really plan to wipe us out rather than remake us into lower class humans hence less justification required.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture? [292]

I should rephrase, in EU Germany had found ways to vent their energies without dishonoring themselves and without risking armed confrontation since todays Germany has very little in common with Prussia in regards to war approach , basically you're trying to dominate like you always did, the methods became far more acceptable but the goal is the same as it was since that little upstart militant state of Prussia came to being.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture? [292]

Europeans biggest, most wealthy, most industrious people, the biggest european economy....don't you think that Germany instead pushes FAR UNDER their weight?

Personally ? I think that the fact that you push far under your weight is the only reason why you as people still biologically physically exist, one more world war effort on your part and Europe would make sure you are gone forever ( the russian-american political struggle was the only thing that saved you from Morgenthaus plan last time ) so i'd call it more of a survival instinct than pushing under your weight.

allowing european midgets to get the limelights
and disrupting german plans?

Are we talking about Poland disrupting your idiotic Nord Stream which will put Europe in complete dependency of Russia ? Neither are we a midget nor is your plan smart and because of our location we will always be the limelight of the eastern Europe like you will be of the western.

Shoving lotsa money your way?

Given that most of our predicaments are your fault i cant really consider this as giving us money rather than repaying us for the mess you directly and indirectly shoved us into.

You call that "dominating"?

Yes i call Angela Merkel demanding support of Nord Stream dominating, not only is this an utterly idiotic idea given the instability in Russia but it pisses on the welfare of the entire Europe including Germany and yet mrs Merkel has the audacity to 'demand' support.
Sokrates   
3 Feb 2009
History / Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture? [292]

But you talked about Germany dominating, remember??? Not about us "pushing under our weight"...!

I've adressed that one as well with Merkel pulling off her stunt.

Also please dont play semantics, your weight equals total domination which typically is fought off, by now the smarter of your elites realised that would lead to eventual destruction of your country so you're trying to dominate more subtly via EU.

You are obviously not stupid do not play semantic games with me since you know exactly what am i writing or is my english not clear enough ?