Real Estate / Advice on best interior fit-out company in Krakow: mamdom or JoshuaMills? [32]

We have bought an Angelcity apartment in Krakow and with fingers crossed and wind behind it will be finally signed over to us at the end of the year.

We are also looking at fit-out options and this forum makes interesting reading and suggestions.

Currently, I am in early discussions with some contacts I have there, the main person being my brother-in-law's brother, who is a second generation Pole (like myself) and brought up in the UK but now living in Poland with his Polish wife and child. He is an architect (was working for a British company, I think) and has contacts in Krakow for our apartment fit-out. He has suggested that if there was more demand ie. multiple units within Angelcity he would become more 'hands on' himself)

I consider it an advantage to have someone with both UK and Polish knowledge and who owns several properties himself in both countries and therefore has a certain amount of experience in the field and not least being experienced in the field of design - ours will require limited imput from the design point of view since it will be middle of the road in quality, colour etc ie. functional and not too grand!

If anyone is interested in this option do email me directly. I must make it clear that we are only at the beginning of discussions (there is as yet no company in place) and I am going to look at several options, including those mentioned earlier such as Mamdom, Joshua Mills etc before making a decision, which will not be entirely based on cost but obviously that is a very relevant feature. I am not interested in making money from this but would be happy to be receive a more favourable 'multi rate' than one calculated on a single unit alone.

I currently have email contact with another Angelcity buyer who is in the same position and would be happy to hear from others in the same boat.

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

Hi,

Yes, we have bought an Angelcity apartment. Which building are you in and when are you or have you already signed for it? I don't know if this forum permits exchanging email addresses but if so mine is dani9453@yahoo.co.uk and I would appreciate contact, not least to discuss the signing. We are in buiding B and when we were there some six weeks ago there was absolutely no way they would be finished by the end of 08 - the place was still a complete building site so we were surprised to received an invitation in yesterday's post to sign on 30th Dec! Please email me if poss.

Thanks

Dani

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

Jackie,

Re. Angelcity. Please refer to my previous post and email me on dani9453@yahoo.co.uk

Real Estate / I want to buy a 2 bedroom apartment in Krakow - suggestions and advice. [20]

Do you have anything specific in mind regarding size and age of property? Would you be interested in a new apartment?

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

We have an Angelcity apartment and are currently communicating (or not) through a lawyer - have not yet had a response to his letter, which I won't go into at the moment. My email address is dani9453@yahoo.co.uk and it may be better to communicate privately for obvious reasons.

Regards

Dani

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

Sean BM

Is it possible for you to email me on dani9453@yahoo.co.uk It seems that you know quite a bit about this development and we are having certain worries about it and perhaps you will know answers to certain questions which we don't want to ask in public.

many thanks

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

Following three years of problems galore with our purchase of an Angelcity apartment we have now finally - three months after officially withdrawing from the contract - received most of our money back (which Angel have had in full since Dec 07!). Never again! It has been a costly and frustrating learning curve!

If we had gone ahead we would have definitely gone with Joshua Mills for fit-out because we had reached a relatively advanced stage with them in the planning, costing etc and they were very good in every way and reliable too!. We are still hoping to purchase an apartment in Krakow at some stage and it may be that in a few months time we may purchase an Angelcity apartment but through a buyer and definitely not through the developer so we may end up requiring a fit-out service after all.

Off-plan? NEVER AGAIN!!!!

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

The date of completion in our contract was stated as 31st December 08 but when we originally signed up in June 06 we were told that completion would be around December 07 and our payment schedule was geared to finish in December 07, since when they have had a very large sum of our money. It has take three months of phoning, badgering and solicitors letters from the official date of our withdrawal to get some of our money back.

Whilst I appreciate that developments nearly always end up finishing late, 18 months late is ridiculous and not acceptable to us. We wanted an apartment to use regularly and not primarily as a long-term investment and we were naiive enough to consider the off-plan option, which looked a reasonable one at the time, given the original timescale.

We also paid the developer a substantial additional amount for structural alterations within the apartment which they agreed to be completed whilst building the development and they happily took our money and issued an official annex to the agreement, signed dated etc. They failed to carry out the work even though we went there especially to sort things out and received promises, signatures etc that everything would be done but it wasn't.

The main reason we finally decided to withdraw (after 31st December 08 when it became clear that building B had some way to go) was when we received the final payment notice which showed that our apartment was almost 3% smaller (nearly 2 sq mtrs) than originally signed for - why? Whilst this was covered in the agreement as being acceptable and they had knocked the difference between 2% and 3% off our final bill, it actually changed our apartment from being a two very small double-bedroomed apartment into a two single-bedroomed apartment, which we would definitely not have considered at the outset. When we asked to change apartments to a larger apartment and to pay the difference (even based on the significantly increased current cost per sq mtr) they told us that was not possible and that they would refund what we had paid and charge us the whole current cost of the larger apartment! A ridiculous additional amount of money to pay for an additional 8 or so sq mtrs!

As to what we do next we have yet to decide but we soon realised that fruitless dialogue and ongoing excuses were just delaying tactics by them and we decided to pull out and retrieve what we could now and think about the rest later. We have not signed any disclaimers and are therefore considering our options.

The whole experience has been problematic, frustrating and expensive and I would be interested to hear about other similar experiences.

Real Estate / Angel city Development in Krakow [33]

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has had problems with this purchase or is waiting for the return of their money.

My email address is dani9453@yahoo.co.uk

Real Estate / How to locate records of land owned75 years ago in Poland? [16]

Since we are on the subject, how do people stand as having owned property in Lwow ie now The Ukraine. I have deeds of some properties owned by my mother and maternal grandparents but I understand that compensation claims were to be in by 31st Dec 08, so it seems we have missed the boat. Is that so?

Real Estate / How to locate records of land owned75 years ago in Poland? [16]

I don't understand what you mean by that comment. What is 'plane' robbery? The compensation payments are/were made by the Polish Government.

Real Estate / How to locate records of land owned75 years ago in Poland? [16]

I agree and was surprised that the Polish Government was paying the compensation, especially as some properties (as in my family's case) are now in The Ukraine so I assume that any resposiblilty lies with them.