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Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]
You are thick. I keep telling you I am a man but you keep on.
You said yourself that your nick was a girl's name. But it doesn't matter anyway.
What has been happening for 2000 years? This should be interesting.
Are you really so ignorant or are you just pretending you are? Jews have been the victims of willfull killing thru all times. Every time the crop failed - the Jews got the blame; the Jews were to blame for the plague because they were supposed to have infested the water AND because they didn't get as many sick as the Christians did. While in truth it was spread by rats and the fact that Jews didn't get that many plague-deaths was only because they had strict hygienic laws, washed their hands much more often and so on. In York, in the heart of the Middle Ages locals killed the Jews because they didn't want to return the money they had borrowed from the Jews. I could go on and on and on. Fact is that every other generation there came a incompetent loser who, of course, blamed the Jews for his own failures and mobilised ppl to kill them. The Holocaust was just a culmination, a bloody depth in a long "tradition".
I thought you were all against violence, racism, and all the other socialist/communist slogans.
Violence is usually a right-wing method to reach their goals. I consider a slap on the butt of a child no violence and it has a correcting purpose and nobody has gotten any worse from a good slap on the butt when misbehaving. But it should remain a slap on the butt and not turn into outright abuse. Racism is also usually a right-wing method and has nothing to do with correcting your child.
Jewish smears.
Let me tell you: I am Jewish AND I am from the West. And aside from my grandmother, it was never an issue as such. We didn't go to synagogue nor did we go to any church. We just lived our lives as Dutch ppl. Until I got in contact with Eastern Europeans. Suddenly I got remarks like "but you're Jewish". "Yeah, so?" "You're Jewish!" "So, does my beer taste less because of that? Does a girl's breasts fall off when I kiss her?" and so on. When I joined this forum it became even more apparent. Never had that before in all my life. So apparently Jews or Jewishness is an issue in the East. Hence the case that anti-semitism (or Jews/being a Jew) is much more an issue in the East than in the West is easily proven.
For the first two years of the war, the Jewish population in Poland was working dilligently for the Reich while Poles were dying on the battlefield and others were tortured and executed. There was no plan to exterminate the Jews then
Hm, how about the forced moving to ghettos within months of PL's defeat? How about restricting life for Jews? How about Bab Yar? Yes - they worked and the "Endlösung" wasn't on until January 1942, but there were random killings all over the place. To the same extent as they executed Poles, even more. I will not involve those brave Polish army corpses that fled to the West and bravely fought here and there. Those are heroes without a doubt and in Holland they get the honour they deserve. In my area ppl speak highly about the Polish paratroopers at Arnhem, they got medals and several memorials. Tusk was in Arnhem last September to commemorate the 65th anniversary of the battle of Arnhem.
Give your best shot at the answer but you are at a disadvantage since you don't know much about Judaism. Here is a hint. If you consider me "unclean" and will not sit down to the table with me, I might not like you.
See previous answer. All of my friends are non-Jewish ppl, be it Dutch, German or Irish. So I think it's all between the ears of most Poles that Jews don't want to talk to them. Or maybe they don't want to talk to them because there were traitors among the Poles (like among any ppl that were occupied)? However, fact is that Jews nowadays interact quite normally with non-Jews, but on this forum it seems that this is in PL not the case. But I don't think that this forum is representative for the Polish society. A Polish girl can fall in love with a Jewish boy and a Jewish girl can fall in love with a Polish boy, it's as simple as that. On this forum there are too many ppl still living in the past, that's the problem. But if this forum is a true repro of PL society, then I think both groups need to give in a little otherwise it won't work. Poles as well as Jews.
Like said, I am Jewish, but I am not religious at all. If I consider somebody "unclean" then it's solely because he didn't wash his hands after the toilet or has other, hygiene related issues. It's just a basic sense of cleanliness, nothing to do with religion as such. Yeah, we're not supposed to eat pork, but I eat pork nevertheless and I don't like lamb at all. Maybe they won't sit at the table with you because they just don't like you? You cannot be liked by everybody, you know.
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M-G (it's time some ppl here should start viewing Jews as normal ppl, just like everybody else)
