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Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #1
Hi all. I'm new to this so if this topic has been covered or is in the wrong place, please forgive me. I am A gay black student from London. I am openly gay to all my friends and family who are all accepting of this fact, and being the large, diverse and open city London is I'm sure there are probably gay Polish people in London too. My best friend is Polish and he is straight and I feel uneasy speaking with him about this subject because I don't know the general public perception/state about gay people, and he goes very quiet when ever I try and speak with him about my problems with my partner. Anyway my question is how are gay's percieved in Poland. Is it accepted or frowned upon? Are there many gay Polish people in the UK, and are they attracted to black people? Thank you.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
26 Jun 2008 /  #2
gay AND black.

I doubt Poland is the place for you!!!!
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #3
Okay. Can you elaborate please?
miranda  
26 Jun 2008 /  #4
there are more threads on that particular subject on PF, look them up and read them. it will give you an idea about the general situation in Poland and on Poland's view on homesexuality in general.
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #5
Miranda I've looked and I can't see anything! I guess I'm asking cos I find Polish men very attractive. I'd like to make more gay polish friends here in london, as well as possibly in Poland in the future and would like to know more in terms of statistics, the culture etc. I have yet to meet an ugly polish man (or woman for that matter). I like the accent and something about the facial structure of guys I've met in London, all of whom are straight.
miranda  
26 Jun 2008 /  #6
Miranda I've looked and I can't see anything

that is strange because as I recal there were quite a few on PF. Maybe they got deleated during one of th eclean ups. I don't know.

I guess I'm asking cos I find Polish men very attractive.

Fair enough:)

I'd like to make more gay polish friends here in london,

I am sure somebody Polish from London would be able to fill you in on that. Just woit and see.

as well as possibly in Poland in the future and would like to know more in terms of statistics, the culture etc

Then interent is your friend if you are not able to talk to somebody eg, your straigh Polish friend.

I like the accent and something about the facial structure of guys I've met in London, all of whom are straight.

there is definately an interest on your side, I am sure you will find a way to learn more about the topic.

I am in Canada so those statistics are usless to you I presume. Actually there is a Gay Week happening in Toronto, which brings around 1 million vistiors to the city. There is moeny to be mede form the gay culture I presume:)
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #7
"There is moeny to be made form the gay culture I presume"

Not really. I think the Gay week thing you refer to might be annual pride festival, which is more of a celebration than making money, but I don't know. As far as my friend is concerned, I'm not one to push things in peoples faces if they are clearly uncomfortable. Ok thanks for your help, but I'm still waiting on someone to fill me in about what it's like generally. Do the polish have more of a problem with polish gay men as opposed to homosexuality in general, and if I were to come to Poland would I find any gay clubs, or is there somewhere in london where gay polish guys meet, that sort of thing.
hairball 20 | 313  
26 Jun 2008 /  #8
Cancerian

Poland is very homophobic and also quite racist. Here is an example of it on this forum.

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I live and work in Poland and I can assure you that there is PROBABLY just as many gay men in Poland as there is in the UK. But unfortunatly they can't be themselves in this country because of the extreme homophobia that exists here. Good luck mate. I hope you can break down some barriers!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
26 Jun 2008 /  #9
he goes very quiet when ever I try and speak with him about my problems with my partner.

guess I'm asking cos I find Polish men very attractive. I'd like to make more gay polish friends here in london

You better not let your partner hear you saying that!

Not really. I think the Gay week thing you refer to might be annual pride festival, which is more of a celebration than making money, but I don't know.

I can assure you that there is a considerable amount of money to made - I live in Manchester and Mardi Gras or Manchester Pride (which ever you want to call it)makes a fortune on the entry bands alone, lets not mention the money the bars and restaurants make in the Gay Village and Im sure Clone Zone does okay too on that weekend alone...admittedly some of the dosh goes to a HIV charity.

Anyway I think that Ballbag answered your question tbh.
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #10
@ Hairball - Do you mean racist against black people or racist against any one non-polish? My friend at uni tells me it is no more racist in Poland than in the UK, and the majority of Polish people I've come across seem warm and open-minded.

Lol at ShelleyS - He knows I'm attracted to foreign men! And we're not really together-together as such any more, just cohabiting. He actually makes me sick. I moved from Manchester to be with him but he's not the same person I met 2 years ago.

Anyway thanks guys!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
26 Jun 2008 /  #11
I still remember when Gay used to mean happy.
Anyway, what two or more consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes is their business.
I think Poland is a lot like Ireland when I was growing up, Homosexuality was almost like a disease which could be cured with a cigarette and a nice strong cup of tea. And I am surprised how much Irish attitudes have changed, especially in the bigger cities.

I think it will just be a matter of time before Poland are excepting.
P.S. I have been to gay parades in London and Amsterdam, it was great craic, all cool.
pawian 173 | 12,611  
26 Jun 2008 /  #12
@ Hairball - Do you mean racist against black people or racist against any one non-polish? My friend at uni tells me it is no more racist in Poland than in the UK, and the majority of Polish people I've come across seem warm and open-minded.

It is warm and open-minded on most occasions. If it isn`t initially, the police make sure it is.


VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
26 Jun 2008 /  #13
My friend at uni tells me it is no more racist in Poland than in the UK, and the majority of Polish people I've come across seem warm and open-minded.

Hahahahaha, hahahahahahaha, hahahahahahah, cough cough

Excuse me

How rascist do you think Poland would be if there were as many foreigners there as there are in England?
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
26 Jun 2008 /  #14
I have no idea. I didn't really want to discuss racism to be honest, as I have yet to come across a polish person who has a problem with my race. I'm open-minded about all nationalities, change has to start somewhere doesn't it?
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Jun 2008 /  #15
I am A gay black

Gay black is really A quality in Poland.
Dzhaklin 3 | 166  
26 Jun 2008 /  #16
quality? Explain.

My friend at uni tells me it is no more racist in Poland than in the UK, and the majority of Polish people I've come across seem warm and open-minded.

Your friend at uni is polish? Has older generation family members there? Honestly, I don't feel the need to hate on people because of there personal choices but a lot of people in Poland especially people over the age of 30 don't share my view.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
26 Jun 2008 /  #17
I am openly gay to all my friends and family

Fascinating...
OP Cancerian 1 | 8  
27 Jun 2008 /  #18
Grzegorz are you being sarcastic? I don't see what's so fascinating about that.
Dzhaklin he is born in Poland and all his family are there. He is honestly the one of the most remarkable people I know, and I know A LOT of people who I can't say that about
rafik 18 | 589  
27 Jun 2008 /  #19
lots of the polish people don't mind gay people unless they are too openly gay.we don't like people coming out with their sexuality.keep it quiet don't be arrogant and you will be ok.say ; someone likes shagging sheeps.that's fine.it's not my problem unless one would like to do it on my door step or in front of my family.there was a brothel near the place i used to live.it has been open for about 2 years because the w.hores stayed inside behind the drawn curtains.later the place was closed but the local people weren't the reason.nobody said a word.lots of gay people do not understand that straight people don't like genitals put in front of our faces so that all kind of gay pride parades are not accepted and will be causing problems in poland.so,again,keep it for yourself and you will be ok.as for being black.you would be ok in poland .there are hundreds or even thousends black students in poland and they not are beaten or killed.it there are some idiots out there.that's true.but it is not worse than in any other european country.
sausage 19 | 777  
27 Jun 2008 /  #20
What is the Polish expression for coming out of the closet?
hairball 20 | 313  
27 Jun 2008 /  #21
Do you mean racist against black people or racist against any one non-polish?

Not all Poles are racist but for a lot if your not a white upstanding Polish catholic, then your trash.
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
28 Jun 2008 /  #22
Are there many gay Polish people in the UK

I'm sure that I've seen some Polish boys when I've been in gay clubs in London. Do you go out on the scene? Soho, Vauxahll etc?

and are they attracted to black people?

Some will be, some wont.
hairball 20 | 313  
28 Jun 2008 /  #23
lots of the polish people don't mind gay people unless they are too openly gay

So what your saying rafik is it's ok to be gay as long as you keep it a secret and don't let "normal" people see that your gay?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
28 Jun 2008 /  #24
Sure not, better simulate copulation on the main street on the city and teach 6 years old children that having 2 daddies is a cool thing.
rafik 18 | 589  
28 Jun 2008 /  #25
So what your saying rafik is it's ok to be gay as long as you keep it a secret and don't let "normal" people see that your gay?

i didn't say "secret".i said to keep it in private.i clearly said that in my previous post.
if i liked anal sex would it be ok to parade on the streets because of that?
miranda  
28 Jun 2008 /  #26
if i liked anal sex would it be ok to parade on the streets because of that?

than you clearly don't understand what gay rights are about. it is not about sex. It is about an alternative life style and if gay people were not judged or persecuted, they would be no need to have a parade. Parade is a symbol of the expression of freedom and more to do with human righs than sex alone. We all know very well, that heterosexuals practice all kinds of sex and they are not judged by it. So you point does not follow the logic.

It is alos about the government trying to impose certain behaviours on people. The government is good for tax laws and other similar issues, but private things such as sex is nobody's bussiness and that applies to all sexual orientations.
rafik 18 | 589  
28 Jun 2008 /  #27
than you clearly don't understand what gay rights are about.

oh yes i do.here in the uk being gay can make one's life(and quite often do) easier.gays seem to have more rights than straight people.

gay people were not judged or persecuted

tell me;when the last time someone was persecuted for being gay?

It is alos about the government trying to impose certain behaviours on people

what government what behaviour?gay people can do whatever they want.these stupid parades are not necessary at all.it shouldn't be about sex but unfortunatlely,on most occassions ,it is.people aren't put off by 2 men holding their hands but by clearly sexual behaviour in public.

but private things

exactly.let's keep it in private.i don't need to see kissing men.it's distastful.it's my right to choose what i want to see.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
28 Jun 2008 /  #28
but private things such as sex is nobody's bussiness

That's right. That's why "gays" should spare us their "parades", brainwashing children, having special rights etc. I used to share a flat with another guy and no one asked us If we were gays. Vast majority of people just don't give a damn and the whole stuff that "gays" have to do all these things because they are so persecuted is a total BS.
Hueg - | 320  
28 Jun 2008 /  #29
it is not about sex.

I'm with you so far, just. :)

The government is good for tax laws

Now we're heading into the murky world of lawyers without a change of footwear, this is brave pioneering stuff.
Governments rule by the consent of the people who can't consent until an age when the government says they can. You can't just blithely say governments are only good for taxs but leave our parades alone. That's going to confuse some Beavers not to mention their spiritual leader. Perhaps that's where they got the idea from? I digress :)

private things such as sex is nobody's bussiness and that applies to all sexual orientations.

I thought it wasn't about the sex and I must admit I am starting to worry, normally I wouldn't say anything, but there is a man a few doors down, he's always just in shot when the local school kicks out and i've heard rumours he's a little too friendly with the local wildlife in a non RSPCA approved way, should I notify the authorities? He doesn't want a parade though, so that's a relief. In fact he seems to be a Roy Orbison impersonator. Lots of them around. :)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
28 Jun 2008 /  #30
seems to be a Roy Orbison impersonator

You should see them when they parade. There are so many of them that "Only the Lonely" really doesn't seem appropriate.

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