z_darius
2 Nov 2007
Language / His and her (plural) [30]
some basics can be found here:
polish.slavic.pitt.edu/firstyear/nutshell.pdf
some basics can be found here:
polish.slavic.pitt.edu/firstyear/nutshell.pdf
z_darius
2 Nov 2007
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]
Funny pun :)
As for the 'natural', are you suggesting homosexuality was invented in laboratories? I though it occurred naturally.
if you carry out something unatural it will hit you back from another angle..
Funny pun :)
As for the 'natural', are you suggesting homosexuality was invented in laboratories? I though it occurred naturally.
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]
Zeus had a a special liking for young boys :)
Somehow I see no long term effect of that. Not on myself at least. But perhaps orzel is noticing some changes in himself and is getting worried that the long term effects are true indeed.
@orzel,
hey, watcha gonna do. it ain't like you're gonna be the only gay in town. And many will tolerate you too, little darling :D
...Alexander and Hephaistion :D [or maybe that was just for the film...]
myths of Achilles and Patroclus :)
myths of Achilles and Patroclus :)
Zeus had a a special liking for young boys :)
Somehow I see no long term effect of that. Not on myself at least. But perhaps orzel is noticing some changes in himself and is getting worried that the long term effects are true indeed.
@orzel,
hey, watcha gonna do. it ain't like you're gonna be the only gay in town. And many will tolerate you too, little darling :D
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Love / My girlfriend thinks she's pregnant! Pomocy!! [75]
Not a lover of ponies, huh? :)
but the bit about it having a pony....What the Fu** is that about...really weird!!!
Not a lover of ponies, huh? :)
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]
WTF are you blabbing about?
Ancient Greek men have been screwing one another thousands of years ago and it never met any opposition or scorn. As a matter of fact it was an accepted behavior, even by such person as Plato.
While there's no imminent threat, it still exists in the long run.
WTF are you blabbing about?
Ancient Greek men have been screwing one another thousands of years ago and it never met any opposition or scorn. As a matter of fact it was an accepted behavior, even by such person as Plato.
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Life / Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION) [797]
I've heard about Socrates, Tchaikovsky or Joan Baez.
Who are you? What is your worth?
I don't fail to see what's wrong with homosexuals. They are worthless.
I've heard about Socrates, Tchaikovsky or Joan Baez.
Who are you? What is your worth?
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Food / Help in finding a recipe for a type of Polish Cheesecake [6]
It's not only the cheese itself, but how long you work it. The longer the smoother (of course)
the cheese was smoother
It's not only the cheese itself, but how long you work it. The longer the smoother (of course)
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
You failed to mention what those classes meant:
* Category I: Persons of German descent who had engaged themselves in favour of the Reich before 1939.
* Category II: Persons of German descent who had remained passive.
* Category III: Persons of German descent who had become partly "polonized", e.g. through marrying a Polish partner or through working relationships (especially Silesians and Kashubians).
* Category IV: Persons of German ancestry who had become "polonized" but were supportive of "Germanisation".
Does the above sound like your "German" Copernicus?
The entire AK had 7 machine guns (medium or light, such as the MG 42) for 45,000 Polish soldiers. How many do you think they should to give Jews they liberated prior to giving them that submachine gun?
Why should he?
So the fact that he created a country makes him Polish?
An interesting concept.
Wikipedia (not the best of sources I know) says "The total number of registrants for the DVL are estimated to be approximately 2.7 million, with 1 million in classes I and II and the remaining 1.7 million in classes III and IV.
You failed to mention what those classes meant:
* Category I: Persons of German descent who had engaged themselves in favour of the Reich before 1939.
* Category II: Persons of German descent who had remained passive.
* Category III: Persons of German descent who had become partly "polonized", e.g. through marrying a Polish partner or through working relationships (especially Silesians and Kashubians).
* Category IV: Persons of German ancestry who had become "polonized" but were supportive of "Germanisation".
Does the above sound like your "German" Copernicus?
It was the one where the AK gave the Jews a single submachine gun and an entire light machine gun.
The entire AK had 7 machine guns (medium or light, such as the MG 42) for 45,000 Polish soldiers. How many do you think they should to give Jews they liberated prior to giving them that submachine gun?
There's the point: I have never in my life even read anything by any Pole who thinks that Kalischer should be considered Polish.
Why should he?
He is one of the people who founded a political movement which created a country (something that few political movements have ever done) but Poles call him German.
So the fact that he created a country makes him Polish?
An interesting concept.
z_darius
1 Nov 2007
Life / WHY POLISH PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR NATIVE FIRST NAME WHEN ABROAD? [136]
I don't think Poles are ashamed of their given names, and we don't consider that some names are more or less civilized. We do know, however, that most English, or French or other not smart enough to pronounce those names properly. Therefore, changing the name to sound more, is a gesture Poles make towards language lazy people.
You're welcome.
ARE YOU ASHAMED OF YOUR POLISH NAMES? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND MORE... MORE CIVILIZED?
I don't think Poles are ashamed of their given names, and we don't consider that some names are more or less civilized. We do know, however, that most English, or French or other not smart enough to pronounce those names properly. Therefore, changing the name to sound more, is a gesture Poles make towards language lazy people.
You're welcome.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Language / I know Russian language - will it help me learn Polish? [105]
read what Marek wrote about language interference. He knows what he's talking about. I tried Spanish and French and I got all mixed up. Spanish and German - no problems.
Learning similar languages is like telling two shades of the same color apart. Hard.
Learning different languages is like telling black from white. Easy.
read what Marek wrote about language interference. He knows what he's talking about. I tried Spanish and French and I got all mixed up. Spanish and German - no problems.
Learning similar languages is like telling two shades of the same color apart. Hard.
Learning different languages is like telling black from white. Easy.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Feedback / Forum suggestion: What about Polonia - Ireland? [65]
the light of the overwhelming evidence...
oh well, at least I tried :)
the light of the overwhelming evidence...
oh well, at least I tried :)
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Feedback / Forum suggestion: What about Polonia - Ireland? [65]
Yeah, I think so to, and I also think UK should be spelled out fully, out of respect for the country.
oops! that would make Ireland the shorter of the two names ;)
Double titles usually work better with the short name first.
UK (2 syllables) & Ireland (3 syllables)
UK (2 syllables) & Ireland (3 syllables)
Yeah, I think so to, and I also think UK should be spelled out fully, out of respect for the country.
oops! that would make Ireland the shorter of the two names ;)
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Feedback / Forum suggestion: What about Polonia - Ireland? [65]
I thought it would be in alphabetical order :)
Polonia - UK and Ireland it is :)
I thought it would be in alphabetical order :)
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Feedback / Forum suggestion: What about Polonia - Ireland? [65]
What's the full official name of United Kingdom? ;)
Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland :)
What's the full official name of United Kingdom? ;)
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Feedback / Forum suggestion: What about Polonia - Ireland? [65]
If there is a vote... at the risk of being torn apart by some Canadian members: I'd vote for Ireland having its own forum, separate form the UK. Even if it's at the cost of merging US and Canada into North America.
If there is a vote... at the risk of being torn apart by some Canadian members: I'd vote for Ireland having its own forum, separate form the UK. Even if it's at the cost of merging US and Canada into North America.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
That is a lie.
I thought you had some kind of integrity in your debates.
Very disappointing.
Apart from the Volksdeutsche of course. And seeing as 2.7 million Poles signed the Deutsche Volksliste, it's a bit of a stretch to say that ALL Poles were to be exterminated.
That is a lie.
I thought you had some kind of integrity in your debates.
Very disappointing.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
A few words of clarification in general:
Prussia
- Prussia was a non-Germanic land at one time
- Original Prussians were Western Balts (not germans)
- Prussia was occupied by Teutoonic Knights, who were German.
- Germans exterminated Prussians
- Germans eventually assumed the name Prussians for themselves, and kept the name Prussia as the name of country.
- When we say Prussian we may mean one (in some cases more) of the following:
Native Western Balt
German
Pole
Lithuanian
Estonian
Latvian
Russian
Geographic Region (some of it under Polish, some under German rule, this fluctuated)
Name of a country ruled by Germans
Actually, Poland was never in Russia. Not for one minute. It was occupied by Russia. (As opposed to Western Prussia which leaned towards Polish Kindgom willingly). At the time it was called Kindom of Poland (Царство Польское in Russian), not Russia, or Russian Kingdom. What's more important are Curie's own words:
She clearly felt she was Polish. One of her discoveries was named by her "Polonium" to honor her country. It was not called Russonium, or Russium, or Rutium, nor even Sovietium.
You can't have it both ways. If you want Kalischer to be Polish then Copernicus is certainly Polish. The fact is that Kalischer, according to Jewish sources (who would know better) was a German Jew, born under German jurisdiction in a city with a large German population.
If you want to consider Polish all those who were born within the territories of todays Poland then 1936 Olympics took Place in Poland and Germany. Not to mention hundreds of famous Germans born in cities such as Wroclaw, Gdansk, Szczecin (never really Polish), Bydgoszcz etc. By the same token, Immanuel Kant would have to be declared a Russian philosopher.
I see you meander through some of the facts of the Polish history with a degree of comfort. I also hope that you know a little more than just the few facts we had to touch upon during this chat. The history of that region is really complex (fu.cked up would be a more proper term, albeit not recognized in official debates). Norman Davies called one of his books on Poland "God's Playground". What a great an telling title.
Bottom line; IMO, if you study the history of Poland then consider this: if it walks like a German, and it quacks like a Russian it may be a Pole, an Austrian, a Russian, a German, a Lithuanian, a Ukrainian, a Tatar or a dozen other nationalities. Whoever they are, those quackin creatures, they have survived an onslaught of two most powerful neighbors for the last 1000 years, and that fact alone is sufficient reason to be proud, whether Copernicus was a Prussian, German or Polish.
Nice chatting with you.
Let me get this straight: Copernicus was born in Prussia but he's Polish because at the time Prussia was temporarily in Poland;
A few words of clarification in general:
Prussia
- Prussia was a non-Germanic land at one time
- Original Prussians were Western Balts (not germans)
- Prussia was occupied by Teutoonic Knights, who were German.
- Germans exterminated Prussians
- Germans eventually assumed the name Prussians for themselves, and kept the name Prussia as the name of country.
- When we say Prussian we may mean one (in some cases more) of the following:
Native Western Balt
German
Pole
Lithuanian
Estonian
Latvian
Russian
Geographic Region (some of it under Polish, some under German rule, this fluctuated)
Name of a country ruled by Germans
Marie Curie was born in Poland but she's not Russian even though Poland at the time was temporarily in Russia.
Actually, Poland was never in Russia. Not for one minute. It was occupied by Russia. (As opposed to Western Prussia which leaned towards Polish Kindgom willingly). At the time it was called Kindom of Poland (Царство Польское in Russian), not Russia, or Russian Kingdom. What's more important are Curie's own words:
“It was one of those groups of Polish youths who believed that the hope of their country lay in a great effort to develop the intellectual and moral strength of the nation....we agreed among ourselves to give evening courses, each one teaching what he knew best.”--Marie Curie
She clearly felt she was Polish. One of her discoveries was named by her "Polonium" to honor her country. It was not called Russonium, or Russium, or Rutium, nor even Sovietium.
Zvi Hirsch Kalischer was born in what is now Poland and did almost all of his work in the same town where Copernicus was born but he's not Polish, he's German. Makes perfect sense.
You can't have it both ways. If you want Kalischer to be Polish then Copernicus is certainly Polish. The fact is that Kalischer, according to Jewish sources (who would know better) was a German Jew, born under German jurisdiction in a city with a large German population.
If you want to consider Polish all those who were born within the territories of todays Poland then 1936 Olympics took Place in Poland and Germany. Not to mention hundreds of famous Germans born in cities such as Wroclaw, Gdansk, Szczecin (never really Polish), Bydgoszcz etc. By the same token, Immanuel Kant would have to be declared a Russian philosopher.
I see you meander through some of the facts of the Polish history with a degree of comfort. I also hope that you know a little more than just the few facts we had to touch upon during this chat. The history of that region is really complex (fu.cked up would be a more proper term, albeit not recognized in official debates). Norman Davies called one of his books on Poland "God's Playground". What a great an telling title.
Bottom line; IMO, if you study the history of Poland then consider this: if it walks like a German, and it quacks like a Russian it may be a Pole, an Austrian, a Russian, a German, a Lithuanian, a Ukrainian, a Tatar or a dozen other nationalities. Whoever they are, those quackin creatures, they have survived an onslaught of two most powerful neighbors for the last 1000 years, and that fact alone is sufficient reason to be proud, whether Copernicus was a Prussian, German or Polish.
Nice chatting with you.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
You touched on some important facts here, and these facts would be well placed in this thread:
Until a few years after WW2 virtually all works on the history of Poland and Polish culture published in the West (UK, USA, Holland etc) were translations of German "historians" (Russian ones to a lesser degree). One of the main reasons was a lack of genuine interest in doing real research, so plagiarism was satisfactory to those Western "scholars". Few of them, if any, had even a passing knowledge of Polish and thus could not avail themselves to a lot of documents that any serious historian would certainly want to include in his/her work.
In 1939/40 Soviets and Germans had a series of meetings called Gestapo-NKVD conferences. During the 3rd conference (in Zakopane, Feb. 20, 1940) they decided the fate of the Polish nation. All Poles were to be systematically exterminated. 95% of those surviving were to be sent deep into Soviet territories (shores of the Jana river in Siberia) as slave laborers. The goal was to be completed by 1975. The 3rd conference was a follow-up tio the 2nd conference (Przemysl, Nov. 1939) where the first draft of the subject was mentioned.
Considering that Germans and Russians had always deep hatred to Poland and anything Polish, is it any wonder Western literature has had very little true information about Poland and its history.
Over the last 1000 years Russia and Prussia/Germany have been trying to suck the very life out of Poland - take her land, kill her people, hold back her development. They try to claim anything worth while which she produces.
Some aspects of history have not changed.
You touched on some important facts here, and these facts would be well placed in this thread:
Until a few years after WW2 virtually all works on the history of Poland and Polish culture published in the West (UK, USA, Holland etc) were translations of German "historians" (Russian ones to a lesser degree). One of the main reasons was a lack of genuine interest in doing real research, so plagiarism was satisfactory to those Western "scholars". Few of them, if any, had even a passing knowledge of Polish and thus could not avail themselves to a lot of documents that any serious historian would certainly want to include in his/her work.
In 1939/40 Soviets and Germans had a series of meetings called Gestapo-NKVD conferences. During the 3rd conference (in Zakopane, Feb. 20, 1940) they decided the fate of the Polish nation. All Poles were to be systematically exterminated. 95% of those surviving were to be sent deep into Soviet territories (shores of the Jana river in Siberia) as slave laborers. The goal was to be completed by 1975. The 3rd conference was a follow-up tio the 2nd conference (Przemysl, Nov. 1939) where the first draft of the subject was mentioned.
Considering that Germans and Russians had always deep hatred to Poland and anything Polish, is it any wonder Western literature has had very little true information about Poland and its history.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Life / You know you're Polish when... ? [111]
An easy trick that I devised to work with Polish speakers trying to learn how to pronounce "th" is to make them aware that this is the exact sound that is produced by Poles with a slight lisp whereby they cannot pronounce "s" or "z".
For instance: "sasanka" (pasque-flower) , or "zaraza(pestilence)" pronounced with a lisp as voiceless "thathanka" or voiced "tharatha respectively"
Nearly all Poles I know can imitate the lisp, and once they are made aware of the similarity, they are on their merry way to use "th" it should be used.
I guess there is no TH combination / Sound in Polish...
An easy trick that I devised to work with Polish speakers trying to learn how to pronounce "th" is to make them aware that this is the exact sound that is produced by Poles with a slight lisp whereby they cannot pronounce "s" or "z".
For instance: "sasanka" (pasque-flower) , or "zaraza(pestilence)" pronounced with a lisp as voiceless "thathanka" or voiced "tharatha respectively"
Nearly all Poles I know can imitate the lisp, and once they are made aware of the similarity, they are on their merry way to use "th" it should be used.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
Well, who do we trust then?
Perhaps we need the original?
Notice his last name's ending -nik. Not German. Polish. So at birth he had Polish last name. As for the first name, without a whole lot of lecturing on the language realities of those times: Does Nicholas Rey sound Polish to you? His name was also Mikolaj. He is the guy responsible for the usage of Polish in writing. Before that only Latin and German was used (Greek sporadically). Names were commonly Latinized and there were few rules about their spelling - that included the German language. Few Polish proper names were mentioned in writing using Polish spelling and grammar. That was actually the period when when work on that spelling and grammar began, to a great degree by Jan Kochanowski, aka Ioannes Cochanovius
Likely a Germanized Slav, perhaps a Pole. I'm sure his name could be traced back to Adam himself. There is likelihood Copernicus was Jewish.
The concept of citizenship was not the same at the time. He was a citizen of Cracow, which was the capital of Poland. He was also a subject of the King of Poland. As was his son, and willingly so.
Latin was the Language of the education at the time. Proper names were Latinized on a regular basis. See this photo from Vatican City. It shows (and describes) what's cooking there between a King of Poland (Kazimierz) and Gregory VI. Do you see any mention of "Kazimierz" there?
Was there a Polish school?
Copernicus was serving under a Polish bishop. The language of religion was Latin, with German entering the scene due to reformation.
So was he really Prussian? The Prussians were not exterminated by then yet.
I on many occasions I call myself Canadian. My daughter calls herself American, Polish or Canadian (I haven't figured out the rule she uses). In those times Cracovian would call themselves... well.. Cracovians, while people from around Warsaw called themselves Mazovians. The concept of nationhood wasn't that big in individuals' minds.
Ergo: Copernicus might have been a Pole, might have been a German. Likely he is a heritage shared by two nations.
Well, who do we trust then?
Perhaps we need the original?
Notice his last name's ending -nik. Not German. Polish. So at birth he had Polish last name. As for the first name, without a whole lot of lecturing on the language realities of those times: Does Nicholas Rey sound Polish to you? His name was also Mikolaj. He is the guy responsible for the usage of Polish in writing. Before that only Latin and German was used (Greek sporadically). Names were commonly Latinized and there were few rules about their spelling - that included the German language. Few Polish proper names were mentioned in writing using Polish spelling and grammar. That was actually the period when when work on that spelling and grammar began, to a great degree by Jan Kochanowski, aka Ioannes Cochanovius
Likely a Germanized Slav, perhaps a Pole. I'm sure his name could be traced back to Adam himself. There is likelihood Copernicus was Jewish.
The concept of citizenship was not the same at the time. He was a citizen of Cracow, which was the capital of Poland. He was also a subject of the King of Poland. As was his son, and willingly so.
Latin was the Language of the education at the time. Proper names were Latinized on a regular basis. See this photo from Vatican City. It shows (and describes) what's cooking there between a King of Poland (Kazimierz) and Gregory VI. Do you see any mention of "Kazimierz" there?
Was there a Polish school?
Copernicus was serving under a Polish bishop. The language of religion was Latin, with German entering the scene due to reformation.
So was he really Prussian? The Prussians were not exterminated by then yet.
I on many occasions I call myself Canadian. My daughter calls herself American, Polish or Canadian (I haven't figured out the rule she uses). In those times Cracovian would call themselves... well.. Cracovians, while people from around Warsaw called themselves Mazovians. The concept of nationhood wasn't that big in individuals' minds.
Ergo: Copernicus might have been a Pole, might have been a German. Likely he is a heritage shared by two nations.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
I think everybody is cool with the Russian government and order, as long as both are kept within Russian borders.
all have a strong intention to excite me jointly, by your words against Russian government and order
I think everybody is cool with the Russian government and order, as long as both are kept within Russian borders.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]
I couldn't wait for those two venomous snakes to be removed from power.
I couldn't wait for those two venomous snakes to be removed from power.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
Life / Why are Poles attracted to animals? [53]
That doesn't strike me like a comment to an accidental discovery done for fun.
Yeah, I was wondering....could it be a result of so many Asian visitors to Warsaw?
Is this what vodka does to one's system?
That doesn't strike me like a comment to an accidental discovery done for fun.
Instead of asking why the Poland is ranked #2 in the search term for "bestiality," you guys proceed to shoot the messenger.
Yeah, I was wondering....could it be a result of so many Asian visitors to Warsaw?
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
Perhaps that's because both Poznan (Ger. Posen) and Torun (Ger. Thorn) were technically in Prussia at the time?
Perhaps that's because both Poznan (Ger. Posen) and Torun (Ger. Thorn) were technically in Prussia at the time?
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
USA, Canada / Any Single Catholic Polish Girls in Canada left?? [11]
Find a Polish Legion. Plenty of Polish kids go there.
Find a Polish Legion. Plenty of Polish kids go there.
z_darius
31 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
- Lutheran Church in Swidnica is the largest wooden church in Europe. It can accomodate 7500 persons (3000 of them can be seated)
- St. Mary's Basilica (Kosciol Mariacki) is the largest brick church in the world.
- Kraków's Stare Miasto (Rynek) is the largest medieval town square of any European city
- Poland used the following curency names in its history: denar, grosz, dukat, talar, tynt, szeląg, marka polska (Polish Mark) , złoty.
- According to Polish census of 2002 there were 1215 Polish women over the age of 100.
- Polish astronomer, Johannes Hevelius (1611-1687) published the earliest exact maps of the moon.
- The name "Poland" (in Polish "Polska") comes from the name of the tribe "Polanie", who used to inhabit the western part of today's country. It used to mean: people living in open fields.
- now commonly used Polish word "kobieta" (woman) was a pejorative term in the 17th and 18th centuries. Correct words were: białogłowa, pani, niewiasta, dama, dzieweczka, panna, or (humorously) podwika.
- Fortifications around West Point (the Oldest American Military Academy) were designed by Tadeusz Kościuszko.
- Polish King Stefan Batory, never spoke Polish. He communicated in Sejm (Polish Parliament) in Latin.
- The first Constitution in Europe was adopted in Poland on May, 3. 1791 in Warsaw.
- Lutheran Church in Swidnica is the largest wooden church in Europe. It can accomodate 7500 persons (3000 of them can be seated)
- St. Mary's Basilica (Kosciol Mariacki) is the largest brick church in the world.
- Kraków's Stare Miasto (Rynek) is the largest medieval town square of any European city
- Poland used the following curency names in its history: denar, grosz, dukat, talar, tynt, szeląg, marka polska (Polish Mark) , złoty.
- According to Polish census of 2002 there were 1215 Polish women over the age of 100.
- Polish astronomer, Johannes Hevelius (1611-1687) published the earliest exact maps of the moon.
- The name "Poland" (in Polish "Polska") comes from the name of the tribe "Polanie", who used to inhabit the western part of today's country. It used to mean: people living in open fields.
- now commonly used Polish word "kobieta" (woman) was a pejorative term in the 17th and 18th centuries. Correct words were: białogłowa, pani, niewiasta, dama, dzieweczka, panna, or (humorously) podwika.
- Fortifications around West Point (the Oldest American Military Academy) were designed by Tadeusz Kościuszko.
- Polish King Stefan Batory, never spoke Polish. He communicated in Sejm (Polish Parliament) in Latin.
- The first Constitution in Europe was adopted in Poland on May, 3. 1791 in Warsaw.
z_darius
30 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
@Harry,
well, let's see what his German contemporaries thought about our little topic:
The word "sarmatic" was equivalent to Polish/Polack at the time.
Doesn't seem like Germans were willing to recognize the "Pollock" as one of their own, does it?
source is here: archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/volltexte/2003/3254/pdf/PSDissertation.pdf (Page 117)
@Harry,
well, let's see what his German contemporaries thought about our little topic:
Even the otherwise
conciliatory Melanchthon felt called upon to passionately discount the new
theory only shortly after Rheticus' return in October 1541:
Many hold it for an excellent idea to praise such an absurd matter, like that sarmatic
[Pollock] Astronomer, who moves the earth and lets the sun stand still.119
conciliatory Melanchthon felt called upon to passionately discount the new
theory only shortly after Rheticus' return in October 1541:
Many hold it for an excellent idea to praise such an absurd matter, like that sarmatic
[Pollock] Astronomer, who moves the earth and lets the sun stand still.119
The word "sarmatic" was equivalent to Polish/Polack at the time.
Doesn't seem like Germans were willing to recognize the "Pollock" as one of their own, does it?
source is here: archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/volltexte/2003/3254/pdf/PSDissertation.pdf (Page 117)
z_darius
30 Oct 2007
z_darius
30 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
Copernicus was born in Royal Prussia, i.e. under Polish jurisdiction. Polish citizneship is based on ius sanguinis and ius soli. Therefore he would get a Polish passport.
Let's put it this way: if he lived today he would probably not qualify for a Polish passport (doesn't speak the language) but would certainly get a German one.
Copernicus was born in Royal Prussia, i.e. under Polish jurisdiction. Polish citizneship is based on ius sanguinis and ius soli. Therefore he would get a Polish passport.
z_darius
30 Oct 2007
News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]
Yes, if your mother is of certain ethnicity then naturally, at least two of your grandparents are of the same ethnicity.
We know he was a merchant from Cracow, who moved to Prussia. Died when Copernicus was about 10.
That part of Prussia was under Polish crown, so technically he lived within Polish territories.
That is irrelevant
His main language of communication was Latin (was he a Roman?)
Despite his fluency in German, he did defend Olsztyn against Germans. He also did not accept Protestantism, but instead remained loyal to his Catholic superiors and the King of Poland
Or at worst.
he's known to have had a Prussian mother and grandparents;
Yes, if your mother is of certain ethnicity then naturally, at least two of your grandparents are of the same ethnicity.
we are not completely sure where his father was from but know that he chose to live in Prussia
We know he was a merchant from Cracow, who moved to Prussia. Died when Copernicus was about 10.
he himself was born in Prussia, chose to live most of his life there despite being able to live in both Krakow and Italy
That part of Prussia was under Polish crown, so technically he lived within Polish territories.
and died in Prussia
That is irrelevant
we know he spoke German but there's no evidence he spoke Polish.
His main language of communication was Latin (was he a Roman?)
Despite his fluency in German, he did defend Olsztyn against Germans. He also did not accept Protestantism, but instead remained loyal to his Catholic superiors and the King of Poland
At best he's an ethnically German Pole!
Or at worst.