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14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]
And here's where your logic ends and your morals become double standards...
My logic does not end here. I was showing why I think a fetus should not be compared to a parasite. I think I succeeded in that. I finished my post with a statement of what I believe in regards to various scenarios around the issue of abortion. That belief does not defeat what I wrote above it.
Since you already decided that fetuses are humans, what makes a fetus created throuth rape less worthy of life than the one created because of a blown-up condom?
I can't answer the question since it contains a false premise. Read my post again and carefully. I never wrote I considered a fetus a human. You inferred that so you will need to answer your own question.
And if the life of a fetus is worth just as much as the life of a grown woman then who are YOU to decide which one should live and which one should die?
And who are YOU to tell me what I think, since I certainly did not decide anything that you allege. Neither did I evaluate the worth of woman;s life against that of the fetus. When you THINK you are debating someone's statements first make sure that those statements were actually made. Without that you are talking to yourself and projecting your own thoughts at best.
But since that argument is simply hypocritical, I now support abortion in every case when a woman simply doesn't wish to be a mother.
Again, you are putting words in my mouth and then you make an attempt at a flashy and shiny defeat of that nonexistent arguments. That puts you in a great position - you win. After all you can always modify the nonexistent arguments into different nonexistent arguments to help you defeat them. Alas, I offered no arguments for or against abortion.
After the child is born a woman has two choices - to be a good mother or a bad mother. She can't choose not to be a mother at all.
Indeed, this is the gist of it AFTER the child is born. Where was the mother's brain BEFORE that? In her crotch?
And if you think that it's somehow not a big deal then ask yourself - what is a difference between a person who's raped and a person who has sex willingly?
Huge difference. Someone who has sex willingly, in today day and age, and in the so called (somewhat) developed societies will certainly know the consequences of unprotected sex. If women (and men) are advised to wear protection to avoid diseases and many do, then what kind of carelessness causes the woman (and the man) to not think ahead about biological consequences of a sexual intercourse. Those consequences happen to be the primary function of a sexual intercourse.
To a woman, there is no bigger social pressure than that which stems from having given birth to a child. From that moment on woman's worth is judged through the prism of motherhood. Even the most successful woman is discredited the moment someone says 'she sacrificed her children for a career! She may be famous but she's a BAD MOTHER!'. Physically a woman is free, but mentally she becomes a slave for her children. Everything she does must result in their well-being, otherwise she ends with a label of a BAD mother.
Since that sounds just like a feminist rant I won't bother to respond in great detail. There is a lot of reasons why a person (man or woman) will be called bad this or bad that. We are always judged by others and motherhood/fatherhood are just some aspects of our social lives.
For a 14-year-old child it's simply impossible to take on that pressure. It's also impossible for such child to stop being a mother and highly improbable to be a good mother.
From the biological standpoint the so called social pressure is irrelevant. The primary function of life is to perpetuate itself. In humans it means giving birth to children. Society, while very important to the development of humans is of secondary importance in terms of the survival of the species.
Also, it is not impossible for a 14 year old to take on the pressure. It is certainly harder for some than for others, but not impossible. Millions of 14 year old girls gave birth to children and did not suffer from any alleged social pressures anymore than all of us (regardless of their gender) suffer from social pressures such as crossing only of green lights, wearing a certain kind of hairdo, covering your private parts in public, having to earn a living and thousands other little rules which amount to nothing more than social pressure. It is also as highly improbable as it is highly probable for a 14 year old to be a good mother. Again, the term itself (bad mother) is a social concept and it will vary among different societies. Hence your blanket statements about "society" hold no universal truths.
It's as if an act of giving birth was such a huge favour for a woman from the baby she gave birth to, that she now OWES something to that baby and must pay off that 'debt'.
And where did you get that one from?
In that aspect, an unwanted child really does become a mental parasite.
I think you are confusing an unwanted child with an unplanned child. Huge difference. Another blanket statement of yours that puts your entire argument onto an even more shaky ground.
Abortion is the only thing which society accepts as an act of actually stopping to be a mother.
Few things are further from the truth. Abstinence and contraceptives have been known for quite some time. You might want to google those. In the long run they may be cheaper and safer than an abortion.
So the moral depth to abortion is not only a matter of whether the life of a brainless fetus is worth the same as life of a child with thoughts, dreams and feelings but also a matter of woman's
You need to take a refresher course in biology. Anybody who paid attention in the primary school in one of the so called developed countries will know that the fetus in fact is not brainless at all. In its entire existence the fetus does have a brain.
So back to square one:
I do not believe a fetus can be compared to a parasite anymore than anybody arbitrarily deemed undesirable - the sick, the handicapped, the unemployed etc.
And I still can understand those women who got impregnated by force, or whose pregnancy can cause her death. Under all other circumstances I would be less understanding. In the end the woman (and the man, if he's involved in the decision) will have to live with the emotional consequences of the abortion.
I feel privileged though, that you decided to open an account on PF just to respond to my post. The response won't hold much water in a few places but I appreciate the attempt at an honest debate.
