Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


How else are we to judge muslims?


So this is the true islam? You don't care about the fate of your fellow human being because she's a woman, while the likes of you will gladly kill for a cartoon or a book?

That shows you don't really give a fvck about the "high idelas" if islam you preach here. As long you and yours are cozy and happy, who the heck cares, eh?

Instead of criticising people's opinion of islam because of what they see, you should focus on the many actions of muslims that paint islam as a bloodthirsty, unforgiving and perverted movement that was designed to keep in line scores of illiterate 7th century nomads. It's 2007 buddy. Wake up.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


That too. But that for for the money.
However, he was also a pedofile:

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

source: usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


I dunno what kind of logic you are using but if 90% are non-muslim then the rest are muslim, whether you say so or not.

Life / Contraception methods in Poland [14]


Don't despair. Perhaps it'll grow back.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]


Excuse me? Narrow minded?
Aren't you the one who believes in only one god? With so many gods to chose from, how much narrow minded can you be? :)


hmmm, that says volumes of crimes by muslim people. 0.5% of US population (2001)
commits 10% of crimes. See, we knew there was something fishy about Isalm.


All extremists are nuts. From what I hear there is no shortgae of those in Islam.

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


Funny :)

Genealogy / The lost city of Klebel in Poland. [8]


I personally haven't. The name doesn't sound Polish, or could no longer be in use for any locality on Polish territories.


This forum, like most other out there, come with no guarantees. Your rudness certainly won't help you in your research.


It's you.

Look little fvck, Berlin Wall fell in Gdansk, long before East Germans had the guts to do the physical demolition. So yes, we all heard about it.

Btw. I found some mentions of Klebel. If I could do it in about 10 minutes than I wonder what the hell have you been doing all those months. Playing stupid with us?

Oh, and in case you wonder - no, I don't feel like googling for you. Do your own homework and don't count on help when you offend people.

USA, Canada / Roads and Driving rules in Poland versus America [63]

Avon, Colorado:
Bloomington, Indiana:
Bettendorf, Iowa:

and so on.

The problem is that the rules for roundabouts are different in some of the States.

Love / Polish-Islam Relationship Union [450]

I went to one of the sites and I found this (rough translation from Polish):

Is masturbation permitted by Islam?

Iraq
Masturbation or leading oneself to ejaculation in a different manner is not allowed, except when it occurs within permitted circumstances (with the wife)

Liban
Masturbation or leading oneself to ejaculation in a different manner is not allowed. However, if the wife causes her husband to ejaculate by using her hand then it is allowed.

C'mon! The holy scriptures regulate wanking and hand jobs?

or this:

Music:
Ajatullah Sistani (Iraq):

The border line dividing the music that is permitted from the music that is forbidden is whether its character is appropriate for immoral entrtainment gatherings.[/b]

I think we need more than halva to make Islam palatable for Poles, let alone other Europeans.

News / Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church. [96]

So what was wrong with religion classes being taught by priests and nuns in afternoons and evening?

They taught in churches and parish halls. That was happening for decades even though according to Polish law at the time it wasn't even legal. Polish catholicism survived after all.

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


Wrong on both counts. You can verify the first here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)#The_dual_in_the_Slavic_languages

I feel I'm in a better position to correct your English than you are to correct all native speakers of Poilsh on this forum.


'nos do góry' - do you mean "zadzierac nosa"? and "muchy w nosie"?


Now? It always has been. I'll leave it to you again to do some research on Poland's struggle to keep the national language alive for the last 200 years.


You're your usual fool and a liar. I don't recall much hatred towards English. Not among the people I knew anyway. Otherwise why would I even bother with the language.


The only strange thing is that you, at your senior (senile?) age are such a complete fool, ignorant and as.shole. How did you manage that? I know a lot of Brits and I agree that you're not the only dumbfvck living in UK, but luckilly, you are a minority.


What does Polish communism has to do with anything here? Poland was never a communist country. For a few decades it was invaded and occupied by a communist country though.

But of course for you Poles are a simple minded people, interested in working with rivets and such :) Well, reading your posts, I think working with pretty much anything would be a serious strain on your mental faculties.

News / Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church. [96]

pretty sad

Love / Things not to do with a Polish girl? [97]


So don't tell her you like her.
Instead, ask her if she knows you like her. That's not as direct ;)

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


Somehow the two qualities do not go together for me.


As a matter of fact both are correct, and there is even a third form. In all:

oczów
oczu
ócz

I'll leave it to your investigative zeal to figure out the usage of each of the above.


You haven't been known for those faculties of the mind, so please, be careful and do not strain yourself.


When you master your own come back and we'll chat about Polish.

Language / Why do people want to study Polish? [90]


Yes, there is. It is often used in computing, but I also hear it in everyday speech.

USA, Canada / Courses that will really teach me to speak Polish, in Chicago [10]


Speaking will allow you to pronounce only the vocabulary you know :)
Read books. Aloud. Learn a few Polish songs. Play with sounds and feel free to exaggerate them initially to expose yourself to what is foreign to your organs of speech. Eventually, and in regular speech the exaggeration won;t be there anyway.


That's what happens and that's why I suggested starting out with speaking words when nobody is around. First you need to get comfortable with yourslef speaking Polsh sounds before taking the next step and speaking with Poles.


That's sounds like a good idea. Sorry, can't recommend other audio material as I neer needed it myself to learn Polish.

USA, Canada / Courses that will really teach me to speak Polish, in Chicago [10]

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Except for one on one course (may be pricey) you won't find schools that will give you sufficient opportunity to practice speaking. The reason is simple: too many indians, not enough chiefs to guide you.

My advice is to get some audio material and imitate sounds you hear. Record yourself and then compare with the original. It is very mundane and may be boring but yields good results. Speech is a mechanical phenomenon, so you need to make sure you are perfectly comfy with one set of pronounciation material before proceeding to the next.

Sometimes you will feel more comfortable to read Polish sounds when you are alone, so you can concentrate on the speech rather tan on whether others are poking jokes at you producing weird sounds.

Whenever you have to read something in Polish, make the effort to read it out, not just mentally inside your head. You want to acquire an active skill so you need to use active techniques whenever you can.

Also, in Chicago you will have many opportunities to meet Poles and to pracice your English. One remark, you will need to decide how you can gently fidn out which part of Poland a person comes from. Chicago is sometimes considered to be inhabited by a disproportionately large number of Gorale (Tatra Mountains people) whose Polish is kinda non-standard (to put it politely)

Language / Spanish-Polish / Polish - Spanish books or dictionaries [3]

look at the bottom of this link polonia.es/x.php/2,156/Aprendamos-polaco-.html, send an email or two, someone may respond.

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


Sorry plk, but you are wrong. No need ot believe me though. Read the links I posted beofore. These are reputable sources.

I wonder if you can find even one supporting your claims (your own posts don't count :)

Language / What is the most annoying thing about non-native Polish speakers? [90]

To me the most annoying thing about non-native Polish speakers is that they exist, so I can never be sure I can talk privately in the presence of foreigners :)

When I was a student of English philology, one of my profersors was a Brit by the name Angus Macqueen (Hi Angus). He was out Shakespeare teacher and a very nice fella. He spoke practically no Polish After a year or so in Poland he went back to Oxford for some time and then came back to Wroclaw University.

During on of the classes he suddenyl left the classrom and came back with a handful of chalk. One of the sudents made a comment (in Polish, to conceal the meaning): "what a fool, he could have asked one of us to bring the chalk". At that, Angus stopped jotting notes on the board, turned around and said with a funny Polish accent, but nevertheless correctly: "Nie jestem glupcem. Jestem poprostu uprzejmy" (I am not a fool, I am simply polite).

His Polish was eventually so good that in late 1980's he was a consultant and the translator for the documentary "Struggles for Poland"

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]

Promised (rough) translations for those who find the above too difficult:

Hypercorrection, also known as exaggerated correctnes, is a term used in normative linguistics, denoting substitution of forms which follow the lingustic norms with incorrect forms that are nevertheless considered by the user to be correct.

Some examples of hypercorrection is a letter (literal) by letter pronounciation of ę and ą before bilabial plosives and affricates, for instance ząb [zɔ̃p], [zɔɰ̃p] zamiast [zɔmp].

These aren't things I am coming up as I go. Anybody who went through a Liceum (a type of secondary school in Poland) with the concentration on Humanities (profil humansityczny) had to spend some time on this, if I remember correctly in grade 3 (Grade 11 US equivalent), so one doesn't even have to have any particular linguistic background to know these things. Provided, of course, that one didn't doze off during classes ;)

Further about the way we pronounce ą and ę, most of us (native speakers of Polish) came across a little remark used in regards to those who try to pronounce ą and ę always as if the letters werein isolation: "coś taki ą i ę?" ("Why are you so ą and ę"), which is a short for something to the effect of: "why are you pronouncing words in such an artificial manner while sounding silly in the process?"


Actually, the reason why we hear sounds differently is because they are pronounced differently. I am not sure why you are confused by that. The sounds are clearly not always the way they are spelled out and I don't think you even need any special gift to hear the differences. I can only speculate that you may have a sort of linguistic expectation whereby you expect that a sound is present because you know how it is spelled, so you think you hear it in the exact way in which it is spelled.

It's similar to one of those examples of sentence in the English language where words are intentionally spelled incorrectly, and yet the reader has no problems with the understanding of the text. What makes it possible is the expectation of the meaning. We rarely read words letter by letter, but rather recognize shapes of words (hence ALL CAPS are so hard to read), so little misplacements of individual lettres is not critical in understanding of incorrectly spelled wrods. Of course, for that to occur we need a competent reader in a given language. Much like (what I believe to be true) the situation with you; you are a native speaker of Polish, aware of the spelling and superimposing that spelling on the sounds that are not there but you expect them to be.

EDIT: just realised how some simpel misspelings can show you what native speakers actually hear: zemby, tendy, £óć (jokingly spelled as Uć, or as Óć, the only "Polish" word spelled with Ó in initial position)

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


The sounds come across differently because the adjacent letters changed those sounds. I don't know of a term "clouding" effect in lingustics.


That I can't argue with.


Yes, it is helpful. And it can be also helpful for those who think they do. Phonetics and phonology are quite large areas of knowledge. Just think about it; why would Polonists study the phonology of their own language if the speak it well anyway :)


Did you read the links I posted?

Here is a quote from Polish wikipedia:

Hiperpoprawność, inaczej przesadna poprawność lub przesada poprawnościowa, to termin z zakresu językoznawstwa normatywnego, oznaczający zastępowanie form zgodnych z normą językową formami błędnymi, ale uznawanymi przez użytkownika języka za bardziej poprawne.

Przykładami błędów hiperpoprawności jest "literowa" wymowa ę oraz ą przed spółgłoskami zwartymi i zwarto-szczelinowymi np. ząb [zɔ̃p], [zɔɰ̃p] zamiast [zɔmp].

So as you see, they are not the same sounds, or to use the correct term, phonemes.

Going home now. Unless someone does it before that, I will translate this later.

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


You may pronounce them the same way but they aren't the same.
Using International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA):
sh - ʃ
sz - ʂ

verify here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_language#Phonology and here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Consonants


I am hardly confused by the sounds of my native language :)
So.. as for ą is not always pronounced in the same way. The variations are (using IPA): [ɔ], [ɔm], [ɔn], [ɔŋ], [ɔɲ], [ɔj̃]. Verify here: URL or here: free.of.pl/g/grzegorj/gram/gram01.html

Likewise ę has a few variants of pronounciation.

You can check variations of some other sounds I mentioned above by seeing this (Polish) source: free.of.pl/g/grzegorj/gram/fonemy3.html


Just like in English, there are two version of £ in Polish. One is very similar to Dark L (as the second L in "little"), although it's usage is vanishing. It used to be used mostly in Eastern parts of Poland. Most of the time Polish L sounds as the initial L in "little". There is a subtle difference between Polish and English L but the difference is subtle enough to deserve complete neglect.

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


really?
try: gęba and tędy
or: dźwięk and w gołoledź


very close, but not identical. English "sh" is somewhere between Polish "sz" and "ś".

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


A native Polish speaker would easilly notice the error.

News / Darwins theory of Evolution in Polish schools [59]


Humans are very much material. Pinch yourself.


Now pinch your soul.

You are making claims based on some a priori but unproven postulates which are based on religion in the first place.

Also, if animlas do not have a soul but humans do then it would follow that it is possible to isolate soul and show how it is present in some creatures but not in others. Thus soul would have to be a physical and measurable phenomenon. Is it?

So no, we don't know if there is such a thing as a soul in the religious meaning because we don't know that god (the basis for religion) even exists. Some only believe so.

Genealogy / Polonia last name [13]


Some little booboo here :)

Language / ż ź dź dż sz cz ś ć - which give most problems to foreigners? [65]


ch - c is silent

ę, ą, ź, ż, ć, dź etc are pronounced in a few various forms depending on their proximity to other sounds.

Language / Why do people want to study Polish? [90]


That's what I used to tell those I taught. Worked like a charm.

Language / Why do people want to study Polish? [90]


My bad. Sorry.


And just keep it there? :)