History / THE POLES ON THE FRONT LINES OF WWII [92]


Isnt there some friction here if one brings into consideration the German goal for ethnic Poles?

The heart of the issue is how many ethnic Poles (not Polish citizens of Germanic descent) served the Wehrmacht/SS.

History / THE POLES ON THE FRONT LINES OF WWII [92]


Ok, so is it correct to say when we talk of "Poles" being conscripted into Wehrmacht/SS (whatever), these "Poles" were actually Germans/Austrians who lived in Poland, or, Germans who had Polish names because they had lived in Germany for a while?

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Thats strange. In the time it took me to post, several posts have vanished. Can admin explain?

History / THE POLES ON THE FRONT LINES OF WWII [92]


Evidence please, and in what context did they find themselves in service?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Has the movie been released? If not, when?

Life / Presents that remind you of poland [15]

Thanks! Geez that brings back some memories. I'll have to look on ebay now and get a couple

Life / Presents that remind you of poland [15]


We shall see about that. My dad is a graphic designer. He's done t shirts for his clients before. Hhhmm...

What about "Sit on me - I'm a Pole!" or, for the buffed Polish gentlemen "I'm a rock hard Pole" - the possibilities are almost limitless

On the subjects of t-shirts, dad used to wear a "solidarnosc" t shirt a lot in the early 80's. This would be a guift I wouldnt mind receiving - I liked it

Life / Presents that remind you of poland [15]


What about a T-shirt that says on the front "Got any Polish in you" and on the reverse says "Want any?" Hehe

Life / POSITIVES ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH PEOPLE.... [119]

75. The ability to turn offal into culinary masterpieces.

Life / Presents that remind you of poland [15]

I'd love to receive a saber, a big jar of ogorkie, a wall plaque with the Polish eagle on it, or a t shirt that says ".... me, I'm Polish!"

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


It poses an interesting question though doesnt it. I think it's a bit dismissive to suggest that the Tatars wouldnt have offered anything to civilisation though. Why would it have been bad?


Depends where you're from really as to whether this is correct.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Doubtful. Tatars were a spent force at this stage in terms of their nation toppling/building clout. What happened to all the other khanates. They simply faded away, with a bit of prodding.

Anyway, would a hypothetical "Tatarstan" have been all that bad? Look at the actual alternative.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


What reorganisation? A gravitation toward a totalitarian and despotic regime? A tradition of 'might makes right' foreign policy? Fear and terror in its citizens? Lack of free thought or progressive political discourse? The cult of the leader? Wow, what a legacy. That's why when one thinks of political utopia and social justice the name Russia is produced as a trump to any other nation.

And yes, I do contend he was a maniac. The cost/benefit equation when one considers Ivan the T is not much benefit at all, unless of course you see my above propositions as being beneficial.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Not the same at all, and I doubt the figures you gave for Justinian are correct. Justinian was around 1500 years ago and it could be argued that what he did was for the greater good of Rome - anyway, who's calling him a hero. It's like comparing apples with oranges.

Stalin was different. He was butcher and a maniac and if you think he caused the death of millions for the benefit of Russia, you're plain wrong. He did it to instil fear to secure his reign - that's all. That a Russian would defend him is in my view simply crazy. I suppose Stockholm syndrome could be argued though. Perhaps it's just part of the Russian psyche.

History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]

I think Art 55 is read in conjunction with Art 1 cl 1?? It's strange to me, because that doesnt make sense. When I have time I'll try to get my head around it. We need a native Polish lawyer for their view - any out there??

Life / Polish weekends - more work or family time? [16]


Okay, I'll admit that ponski (correct spelling??) are one of my favourites. It could also have been the fault of the old crones who were cooking the desserts too.

History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]

Darius - thanks for the link. Already tried the URL site you gave but couldn't find the law.


I'm not surprised. I suspect though that the judiciary will be pretty lenient if any are prosecuted. Whilst googling, I found an essay that referred to a case where a bloke was prosecuted under 55a in 1999 - seems the degree of what is said that's defamatory will be taken into account.

History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]


Thanks Darius - I'll try and find it. Not sure how it works in Poland, but here in Oz we have legal databases online open tot he public. In them, you can type in the Law, or article of the law you want information on, then do a search for any legal cases that have dealt with that law or article in question. Searching for these cases is often better than simply looking at the article as it appears ion the piece of law, because you have available the judges comments on how the law is to be interpreted and applied. I'll see what I can find..

From your interpretation, it sounds like some of our forum participants should be wary.

Life / Must See Movies in Polish? [65]

I recommend a Polish language movie "The ring with the crowned eagle". Saw it many years ago and I remember it being excellent though sad. Story about a young AK officer who survived the war only to be carted of and I think killed by the Soviets.

History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]

Is Polish legislation available online? If so, does anyone know what this piece of law is entitled? I think it needs to be read first before judgment is cast.

History / Polish militray markings [4]


Thanks buddy! Just what I was after on the rank insignia. Much appreciated.

UK, Ireland / Polish kids in UK education system [57]


I'm half Polish but I'd hazard a guess to say I'm probably smarter than some and I'd even go so far as to say I'm probably smarter than you. Improbable you say? Try me out - I challenge you - you may even learn something. Pick a topic and lets discuss it. If I dont hear back from you we'll all simply assume that you agree with me and you're not up for it.


The above assertion and challenge goes to you too my 'learned friend'! I'll go easier on you though as you're just a student. A good student always has capacity to learn!! LOL

UK, Ireland / Many British have inferiority complex [131]


How about the England cricket team to Oz cricket team?

Your warm beer to our cold beer?

Your jellied eel to our meat pie?

Eddy the Eagle to whoever won the skiing at the Olympics that year.

Morris Minor and the Majors "Stutter Rap" to hip hop?

Boy George to Dead or Alive?

And the list goes on..........

UK, Ireland / TRUTH AND DELUSION ABOUT POLES IN UK [65]


No, tell them to come to OZ. On balance, it seems clear to me that Polish immigrants arent welcome in the UK. Oz has a real shortage of labour at the moment. If you're a Polish builder, come here and you'll earn a packet. You may get a ribbing from other workers about your surname, but you wont be hated. Plus, here in Australia, the weather's nicer too.

If anyone needs info, let me know what they would like and I'll help. I dont do migration law, but I can point in the right direction.

Curiously, the only negative experiences (3 of them) I've had regarding my Polishness have come at the hands of 3 English people - 2 high school teachers and a work 'colleague'. The detentions and near expulsion were worth it for the bigoted scum calling themselves teachers and the sore knuckle were worth it for the work colleague (back in my younger days, mind you).

Life / Polish weekends - more work or family time? [16]

On the rare occasion that we would visit other Polish friends on weekends, I can fondly recall the abundant food. I remember eating lots of gherkins, pickled herring on black bread, as well as beetroot soup etc. Never liked the desserts though - the cakes were always too dry! I remember one ocasion where an old babcia gave my four year old brother a glass of brandy that she thought was blackcurrant juice - good memories.

Unfortunately, now where I live, there is hardly any Polish community let alone Polish delicatessens. I'm lucky to find a jar of Globus brand gherkins or plum powidl, which annoys me.

News / City of Warsaw has a new praeambulum [17]


I agree.

I think God should have been left out of the equation, and I say that coming from a country that wouldnt have such connotations in any preamble.

However, being mindful of the modern history of Poland, and the deep connection between Polish people and God, I can understand why.

History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]


Thanks for the honest response - I appreciate it. I have aniother question for you.


If the above view can be described as the correct state of affairs, can it be argued that traditional Jews saw Poland as a means to an end?

Without considering modern day social/ethnic sensibilities, is the nation that provides the living area for the separate ethnic group required to accept that group unconditionally ("take us as you find us"), or, should that separate ethnic group through their own impetus, fit in - if not, why?

Cheers, Dan


I did. Why? Did you get it?

History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]


Thanks for the insight on your thread Kaliszer - it was very interesting.

I take it you're a Polish Jew. What are your thoughts on the question of Jewish/Polish relations at around the time of WW2? Is it as big a deal as a lot of academics are making it out to be? As some scholars have suggested, would dialogue help, or are both sides just too entrenched?

The issue I am yet to comprehend (and I hope that you can shed some light on) is why did portions of Polish Jews fail to assimilate with "ethnic" Poles and stay aloof?

My subjective theory - weight of numbers precipitated inaction. There was no need to make the transition because it wasnt really necessary given that Jews could get by as there was such a large community of them. This theory, of course, is open to critique.

I look ofrward to your response.

Cheers, Dan

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Point taken - I did say it first upon rereading - apology tendered and retraction made for the clear error


You cant turn pig excrement into raspberry jam.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Several words come to mind about you too. As I'm a gentleman, and don't believe in the cowardly use of profanity behind the safety of a computer screen, I'll keep my thoughts to myself. Ive noticed you enjoy using those witty little camouflaged swear words (ie Fek, aschole, gay dogs et al - wow, really tough and scary) against lots of people on this forum too. You've set a benchmark that I wont stoop to.


What? Look at your last few posts. Look at the quote.


I can only shake my head.