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Salomon   
30 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

And observing during the french campaign training (superior equipment + superior numbers), skill and superior tactics account for the success more than equally

Well I agree that military doctrine of Blitzkrieg was the Germans strong point but it doesn't make German tanks or equipment superiour. Germans had some good weaopns but they were mostly response for what somebody ealse had invented, wunderwaffes from last period of the war were mostly unpractical but technicaly interesting toys ...

I am not going to mention reasons of German problems with supplies :


Salomon   
30 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

hat tank doesnt look superior its got that high turret similar to the sherman which is kind of crying out hey hit me here.

We are talking about 1939

In 1939 German tanks looked like that

Panzer I

Panzer II

That tank doesnt look superior its got that high turret similar to the sherman

Sherman is tank from later stages of the war for sure not from 1939:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman

The pilot model of the M4 was completed on 2 September 1941.

What do you want to say here Luki?Not only had Poland the of course better soldiers but also the better army? :)

I am just breaking some stereotypes... Germans had more tanks and more planes and more soldiers but it didn't make their equipment superior.
Salomon   
30 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

pawian

Words and real plans are two different issues.

Ukriane is corrupted bankrupt and Poland is not going to lend them money.

That is why they are going to slowly driff in to Russians hands as long as Russia is only one country which lends them something ...

It is reality they are born loosers.
Salomon   
29 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Russians didn't respect their own soldiers and had very high casualties ...

from the other hand they had some superior weapons... T-34 is the best example.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank

The Panther was a direct response to the Soviet T-34. First encountered on 23 June, 1941,[citation needed] the T-34 outclassed the existing Panzer III and IV. At the insistence of General Heinz Guderian, a team was dispatched to the Eastern Front to assess the T-34. Among the features of the Soviet tank considered most significant were the sloping armor, which gave much improved shot deflection and also increased the effective armor thickness against penetration

Germans wanted to copy it but Hitler forbbiden it from the political reasons ... it would be the shame for Germans to copy weapons from worst humans... and he thought that it could break German morale as long as it would be the best prove of their fake propaganda ... T-34 was main reason why Germans developed Panther (Panzer V) tank.

BTW ... Poland in 1939 had some superior weapons in comparison to German. Frontline was to long and Germans were too numerous ....

Anny way:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7TP

The 7TP was the Polish light tank of the Second World War,it was significantly better armed than its most common opponents, the German Panzer I and Panzer II. A standard tank of the Polish Army during the Polish Defensive War of 1939, its production never exceeded 140 vehicles.

Although technically superior to any of the German tanks of the era, the 7TP was too scarce to change the outcome of the war.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL.37_£oś

The PZL.37 £oś (Polish: moose) was a Polish twin-engine medium bomber, used in the Invasion of Poland in 1939. Thanks to the laminar-flow wing it was one of the most modern bombers in the world before World War II.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_rifle,_model_35

Karabin przeciwpancerny wzór 35 (abbreviated "kb ppanc wz. 35"; "anti-tank rifle, model 35"), was a Polish 7.92 mm anti-tank rifle used by the Polish Army during the Polish Defensive War of 1939. It was also known by its code name, kb Urugwaj (kb Ur), or by the name of its designer, Józef Maroszek.


Salomon   
28 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Not sure what you consider sophisticated, but out of 91,000 German soldiers taken prisoner at the battle of Stalingrad, only 5,000 returned home.

Red Army journal Krasnaya Gazeta:

Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritsky ... let there be floods of blood of the bourgeoisie - more blood, as much as possible...

Soviet author Ilya Ehrenburg wrote on January 31, 1945:

The Germans have been punished in Oppeln, in Königsberg, and in Breslau. They have been punished, but yet not enough! Some have been punished, but not yet all of them.
Salomon   
28 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Without anny doubts Germans durring WWII were much more worst. Communist aimed only on possibly anti-communistic element (as they did in all communistic countires including Russia) they had no plan to exterminate whole Polish nation as Germans did.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles

As to Russians I'd say that Russians were very sophisticated in treatment of Germans in comparision to German behaviour on east.
Salomon   
28 May 2009
History / Sarmatia Europe - Could it be political reality? [183]

Sarmatia Europe

Maybe Huns empire: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnic_language

The recorded words (medos, kamos, strava, (and possibly cucurun)) do not seem to be Turkic.[6] These remained records have been studied for more than a century and a half and no attempt to connect the remaining names with any known language group has achieved scholarly consensus.

miód, strawa lol they have been speaking some Polish...



Attila The Hun: 2001 Movie Trailer
Salomon   
27 May 2009
Travel / Opinion about polish tourists [9]

There are different tourists from every country :

Here is British toursist in Cracow....
;)

I have seen somewhere raking of European toursists ... and Polish were in mid table when it comes to behaviour.
Salomon   
27 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Hitler stated his plans in his book ... Mein Kampf : Which was best seller in Germany ... I'd say that before the war most Germans knew his plans ...

It is not possible to call him crazy guy who after taking power made such horrible things ... he made what he promissed for Germans in his book - murdered Jews - tried to conquer east, invaded France, tried to enslave Slavic nations... everything according to plan.
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

If we look on what Germans have done durring WWII ... Poland would be right.

What is more from Apr 2, 07 you moan here about Versaliese Treaty and we can clearly see that you forget about one fact. GERMANS KNEW HITLERS PLANS. It is not like "we just wanted part of Czech rep... and Poland, nobody knew about other Hitlers plans"

It is lie.
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Well, but he still didn't...he is still peacy...he will become the victim of polish aggression!The facts won't change!

Leader who has written the book... where he plans extermination ... and war against France ... Poland ... and many other countries...

Advertising for Mein Kampf (mid 1930s)

comes to power ... breaks points from Versaliese Treaty ...

The fact that it was bestseler ... means that Germans knew what they were voting for...
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Bratwurs your theory about WWII is false ... Hitler planed war against half of Europe (Poland, France ... )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Your theories about treaty and German society ... are false as long as Hitlers book was bestseller in Germany ... Argument like "we haven't know his plans" is false
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Well...you didn't make it to Moscow and didn't plan on occupying Russia and the millions of Russians..

Polands aim wasn't occupation of Germany.

German leader Adolf Hitler claimed that he wants conquer Poland and France in his book from 1925.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

It would be fight for survival... If we look on WWII ... it would be resonable action.

A treaty who was now even widely seen as wrong and unfair by the publics of the organizers

They should read Hitlers book first (published in 1925).
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

I see...I wish you had done that...Germany would now reach till to the Baltics and the Poles had gotten an bad image as the warmongers of Europe! :)

You see Poland after communism isn't so strong as it was in 1936 ...

in 1920 ... Poland beaten whole Soviet Union... it wasn't dream it was reality ... some people call in miracle...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War

in 1936 it was possible to beat Germans ... and if we look on what Germans have done later it wouldn't be that bad.

.in the end you were the baddie in the history books as you attacked a peaceful neighbour!

Germany boken some points from Versliese treaty ...
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

You don't get me Lukasz...I know what you WANT, but I doubt that you CAN!

The point is that in 1936 ... Germans were weak ... and broken signed by them agreement. It was possible in 1936 ...

In 1939 ... it wasn't possible and that is why it was better to enter aliance with Soviets and accept something what happened in 1945.

That is the point.
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Do try reading the thread. We are trying to talk about Poles fighting the Russians and doing so alongside Germans, we are not talking about Poles fighting with the Germans.

You are trying to do your everyday job. You use dariusz for this purpose ... you can't quote sources ... that is your problem.
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

I am looking on it from todays perspective and results of WWII

How do you think a peasant country of 30 million could had held on the most sophisticated country of 80 million!

Poland had better tanks than German in 1939 ... and aircraft ... Germans had numerous advantage. :) Don't forget about French ...
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

All I know is that during WW1 Germans complained how Poles did not want to fight for Germany.

In WWI Poles were allied with Austrains ... it was the plan

"At a meeting in Paris in 1914, Piłsudski presciently declared that in the impending war, for Poland to regain independence, Russia must be beaten by the Central Powers (the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires), and the latter powers must in their turn be beaten by France, Britain and the United States."

After Russian defeat ... most troops chnaged side on French one ... or rejected to continue fight. Nothing to be ashamed about... Poles predicted WWI result in 1914 and it was beautiful succesful real politics. Poles should always fight for their interest.

He does not mention Poles as the 4th largest military force in Europe fighting against Germans.

Yes in WWII - Poles were 4th the biggest anti-German force. NSZ was one of them ...

In my opinion when we look on final results of WWII - invason on Germany in 1936 with France or alliance with Soviets in 1939 was the best option. Or fight on German side (only in case of their defeat - occupation would be much softer in this case) Soviets were treating Poland in the same way as they treaten German ally Hungary.

Both the AK (or at least units who were given the chance to) and the NSZ were willing to fight against the same enemy

Which invaded Poland form the east in 1939 ... :) = Soviets
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Even if not both groups were fighting under the western allied command against the Soviets occupying Poland???

NSZ was right ... AK was so much allied with "Western" allies that after the war many of them were executed by soviets ... or imprisoned by them ... (one of the biggest anti-nazi resistance in europe ... )

Part of NSZ was able to survive and withdraw on west... when it was clear that west is not going to help for Poland ... they saved their life after proud fight against occupators.

If you ask if NSZ was killing Soviets - yes

If you ask if NSZ was killing Germans - yes
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Question....WOULD had Poles fighted along german troops against the Soviets if the pushes came to shove?

This epizode comes to my mind ... :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Piłsudski

At a meeting in Paris in 1914, Piłsudski presciently declared that in the impending war, for Poland to regain independence, Russia must be beaten by the Central Powers (the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires), and the latter powers must in their turn be beaten by France, Britain and the United States.

Polish Legions (Polish Legiony Polskie) was the name of Polish armed forces created in August of 1914 in Galicia. Thanks to the efforts of KSSN and the Polish members of the Austrian parliament, the unit became an independent formation of the Austro-Hungarian Army. They were composed mostly of former members of various scouting organisations, including Drużyny Strzeleckie and Związek Strzelecki, as well as volunteers from all around the empire.

Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Versailles treaties were horrible ... Poland got independence after 100 years of oppresion ... expulsions made by Germans ... and so on. Horrible
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Well I haven't seen such enormous propaganda.

First of all ...

Prussians expeled many Poles from their houses before WWI. Durring WWII wanted to expele more ...

What is the saddest - that German elites start to think that germans were vicitimes ...

well ... it is very sad
Salomon   
26 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Part of Germany which was in eastern block like Poland is the best prove ... higher unemplyment than in Poland ... less companies opened ... bilions euro pumped by western lands ... still no optimism ... no jobs ... pasive society... depopulation ...