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Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

After WWI, during peace conference he advocated independent Germany united with German speaking parts of Austro-Hungarian Empire. Of course cut on the east in the favour of Poland. He was generally in favour of every nation having its own state. Nothing about 'Untermenschen' for sure, same about the Jews.

Well...I got another impression...but then...my knowledge comes from wiki and polish-youth mainly :(

What about pre-war Britain or France or USA then? They had a developed industrial sector (Britain started the industrial revolution) and they didn't manifest similar behaviour like GErmany did.

What behavior? How do you think became Britain the empire Great Britain???
Do you think they conquered 1/4 of the world talking nice?
And that the US even fighted the war with segregated blacks? Race laws full in action???
Hitler was full in tune with the Zeitgeist....he just took it to the extreme and became a
rival to said Great Britain and the US!

BTW: Things change quickly in Poland. After a few decades you will find hard to believe how Poland developed (At least if we don't enter the euro-zone to soon, heh)

Well...of course you will....you get lotsa support from Germany, heh.
But anyhow, we were talking about a time more than 60 years back. And even as Dmowski and Hitler were not that different, a Dmowski would had had not that much possibilites to disturb the balances in Europe as a Hitler with Germany had.
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Well...that's the impression I got from reading about him on the net.
His germanophobia stems from the time of the partitions and that many took to german language and culture instead of polish one.
Germans were seen as enemies, holding to much power and wealth in his mind, he called for boycotts, ethnic cleansing etc...
He was part of the makes of the Treaty of Versailles and dreamed also from a Great Poland without Jews and Germans at all preferably (Lebensraum?)...

Sounds all mightily familiar (just change the ethnies)!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

So, If I would say today that all the Germans are 'untermenschen' you most likely would say that all the Poles are racist because of my statement

Why should I do that?

the reason that I didn't get the power to rule is that Poland is not urbanized enought

No, I didn't say that.
What I would say is that it doesn't matter as much who rules a mainly agrarian country compared to a high tech, high industrialized country.

The power you wield with your tiny stick doesn't count as much as the power your neighbour can wield with his huge club.
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

One has to be either a German or a retard to compare him to that arrogant peasant.

Believe me most Germans never even heard of these men...:)
(PF is really educating in this regard)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

That's what I do....

I mean I understand nationalists...and I can surely understand some sentiments and ideas...and I for sure see the similiarities.
But then please accept the nationalist of another country likewise. Everything else like admiring a nationalist just because he is your own but hating another one just because he is from another country is just bigot, sorry!

For the anti-semit Dmowski the "Untermenschen" were the Germans....so what!
He would probably had them to wear a sign too....maybe race laws too? Who knows...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

The difference might be that one (Hitler) came to power and to rule a highly industrious and industrialized country whereas the other one shared the dreams and ideals but never came to power and even if he would have it was just not in the same league as Germany, so he couldn't had much done anyway..

But there is not much difference, really....the same hate and mistrust against the Jews, boycotts, wanting to get their wealth, wanting to opress them...the "Untermensch" would be here the Germans, etc...soon official laws against them had followed..and so on..

...
Dmowski had long advocated emigration of the entire Jewish population of Poland as the solution to what Dmowski regarded as Poland's "Jewish problem
...
To remedy this perceived problem, he favored a policy of confiscating the wealth of Jews and ethnic Germans and redistributing it to Polish Catholics
...

I think those who like Dmowski should really keep their feets still before they express bigotted anger about Hitler.....he also only wanted the "best" for his people, didn't he!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Germans would have never annexed Sudeten and after that other territories.

Well, the reason for the lack of interest in supporting the Czechs were also that they never made their promise true to hold a plebiscite with their german minority but opressed them. They discriminated against them, closed their schools, killed protestors...it was quite ugly.

Lot's of Westerners weren't ready to support the Czechs against the understandable fight of the Sudeten Germans, so Hitler after he took the Sudeten back took some more and that was that...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

You talking about Adolf again, aren't you?
It's not healthy.
Come on boy, find another hobby.

Ask your polish people, they are obsessed with him, not me...:)
Just look around this board, Adolf pops up in every second topic somehow...(and that surely not because of the lone German here)

he was the one who had the vision and made it happen.

Well he didn't...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

without him there would be no attack on Russia which would attack itself

...and that would have been a bad thing in what way?

without Hitler Germany would be fucked every turn of the way from 1939 to 1942.

...now that is an interesting analysis of german history!

(Apropos Panzer...it was Guderian with his studies who actually advised the use of tanks and who developed the tactics...he was the one who "sold" them to Hitler)

The supplying of Demyansk pocket by air?

Well, that's proofed to be a two bladed sword later too!
Without that success maybe Stalingrad wouldn't had been as costly as it later became..
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Please, your comment is really a BIG lack of KNOWLEDGE!

I think he made just a joke....:)
Hitler was only a corporal after all and even as he had big plans for sure he could barely read a map!
The allies didn't said for nothing that he was their biggest help...the german forces didn't conquer most of Europe because of him but rather inspite of him!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

I don't like it. It might have a few good spots here and there but the bad outweighed the good.

Well...for the Germans of that time it was the other way around...

how objective could it have been?

Do you think the real bible objective???
But when you take it as your main argument about all things Hitler you should also know that Hitler didn't take it as his bible...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Let me guess, you know it by heart, cover to back, lol.

You guess wrong again!
I did never read it...first it's forbidden for Germans (at least in Germany) and
a really lack the interest!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Did you read it?

That is the program of his party, the NSDAP...
(You know, the program where a party lines out the goals and ideals)

What do you think about it?
What signs do you get from it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_full_text_of_the_25_point_program
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

That doesn't excuse Hitler. They were both evil. Like I said before, both worked together to destabilize Poland.

Who want's to excuse Hitler?
But you are constantly quoting "Mein Kampf" (or at least you try to, I still don't know if you ever read it) without knowing enough of what really happened...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

He was using them.

Erm....

He would have used everyone until no one was left to use.

You know that those who survived the war got sold by the western allies to get killed by their Slav leader, huh?

No one treated the Slavs worse and killed more of them than Stalin...
Stop waving "mein Kampf" around all the time...just look at the facts!

It's really nice reading about it in a book but reality was much more grey than black and white..

How would you call german soldiers paying their respects to their fallen polish enemies? Would they do that if they thought of them as "Untermenschen"?
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Can't deny it, it's in Mein Kampf. Hitler's bible.

Well...if it was his bible and he was a zealot how come that so many non-germans were part of the armed forces/supporters or that he paid the late Pilsudski/a "Untermensch" his personal respects etc.etc.etc...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Na ja..."Hell" is maybe a to strong word!
Non-Germans (after the new criterias) were refrained from becoming citizes (or lost their citizenship) of Germany and lost all rights it contained (and some more).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

Those ideas about citizenship and his family/children laws are not bad I think but it's still not easy to talk about it without being labeled as a Nazi and what not...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

I once watched a documentary about Hitler, and his speeches. They tried to get the point across that Hitler would actually hit orgasm during the most intense part of his speech.

Is this true, BB?

I really doubt that...

Yeah, it's a mystery to me why anyone would listen to him and take him seriously. He was a bit of a parody.

Well...maybe you had to be there...

All Hitler wanted was for everyone to be German.

Actually the contrary was true...
If you would read the Nuremburg laws he excluded most people from being/becoming German. To be a real German you had to proof your ancestry...

It was not the Germans, Germans as such could not conquer their own grandmothers backyard, it was not his awesome generals, awesome generals fucked up WW1, it was not even the famous German discipline which without a proper driving force is either useless or autodestructive.

:):):)

I don't have a problem with "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles". Actually, I like the tune, it's really cool, but things get a little iffy if the tune is sang at the graves of others.

Agreed!
But nowadays it's so frowned upon that any real measures taken to secure your own native heritage like supporting native european families will be seen as racist and Nazi if we are honest...
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

He was a very sick man already at this point, often acting under drugs as we today know...
Nobody can really know what was going on inside him and how much of it was still the "real" Hitler!
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Although it made him rich, Hitler would later express regret that he produced Mein Kampf, considering the extent of its revelations.

I doubt that...it's not logical.
As the quote rightfully states it was some kind of an obligatory "gift" and school material etc...it was on all book shelves if the contemporary German wanted or not.

Hitler had needed only one little order to make to get this book to vanish (not that most people cared).
But he never bothered so it seems to be doubtful (and I never heard or read about such a thing).
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

I read somewhere on the www Hitler eventually regretted publishing Mein Kampf.

Said who?

What's actually pretty new that now more and more people want to change that, so there is a light at the end of the tunnel. The problems is the length of the tunnel.

Trying to preserve your heritage is age old, agreed!
(Especially the Jews were quite successful during more than 1 Millennia in the Diaspora)

But why is it now something bad? Where is there the "light"?
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Mar 2009
News / Germany seeks extadition of Sobibor death camp guard. [65]

Most believe he existed because of The Dead Sea scrolls.

Another myth it seems...

Scholar: The Essenes, Dead Sea Scroll 'authors,' never existed

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1070797.html
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Mar 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

That is one of the funniest lines I've read on this forum. I guess Hitler's main activity was building folklore museums.

Well...with Hitler any notion about Germans dying out or taken over by Turks would be moot...(you don't know how much I hear that nowadays)

In that case Warsaw8 is not so far off (Mutties got medals for having lotsa blond kids, families with many children got lot's of state support, free higher education for the youngsters, free holidays on the sea etc.etc.etc....)
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Mar 2009
History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]

Georges Charpak, physicist, Nobel Prize (1992)
Roald Hoffmann, chemist & writer, Nobel Prize (1981)
Albert Abraham Michelson, physicist,[22] Nobel Prize in Physics (1907)
Isidor Isaac Rabi, physicist, Nobel prize (1944)
Tadeus Reichstein, chemist, Nobel Prize (1950)
Andrew V. Schally, endocrinologist, Nobel Prize (1977) (Jewish father)

That's the ashkenazim influence!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Mar 2009
History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]

They weren't all isolated in shetls during a self imposed exile. Might have been true for some but certainly not for all.

Maybe the other way around explains it better: Selfimposed isolation was the general rule but not for all...okay?

But maybe the main difference to the western Jews is that the eastern Jews concentrated much more on their religion, their schooling and study of the tora whereas their western brethren studied much more natural sciences in the universities..so to speak!

Easterns Jews are mainly known for their yeshivas and their Rabbies, german Jews for their scientific work.