News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

so we will make veto on all agrements which dont look on our interests, betwen EU-Russia. :)


Yes yes we know that, sinchrinized actions of your governemnts like Russian embargo, and German threas of isolation ehhh it is old story. Two defeated pretendents to being chapion in place of nations :)))) (year of defeat '45 '89)

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

it was example, but in comparisonn Germany - France or Germany - UK I would choose France or UK to be new European leader

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

My God we dont fight (like you) for leading in the place of nations :))) (germans psyche is just so *****) When I see you tring to lead Europe I know it is bad idea, your way of thinking is just so predictable. We should think about other varieties, you know how democracy works, Germany 80 mln people, France 60 mln Poland 38 mln and we vote for France just because we prefer politicians "made in france" :))) (it was example).

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Have you even heard about communism ... so we have to work a lot but our aim is closer and closer and real.

Our aim is to become develped country with safe international position ...

Irealnd was poorer than UK and now is richer (per capita) we will do thesame with those Germans.

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

research centers dont change places like other factories. They are where they can find the bets staff :) I m not going to find any new stats. Microsoft, Dell, IBM Siemens just have chosen where specialists are the best, they started cooperating with our universities not yours ... so it looks really good :) we have the ball now and you can just watch.


You pretend to be fool :) I m not talking you are not democratic, Poland has just opinion EU doesnt need ONE BIG LEADER DOMINATING ALL OTHER COUNTRIES

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Flustration :)

ok you dont belive me, so look on the page of german company, what kind of work our specialist are doing for them. And they came to Poland to open this center. I think in hi-tech industiry working costs are rather less important than quality of the staff siemens.pl/home/teleinformatyka.asp

You know we don't want you lead Europe just because you think you are the best, and you are not. You use stereotypes which dont even stick to reallity. And I think EU dont need one leader, it should be more democratic.

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

:)))) yes yes it hurst, you know research centers have been just opened :)))

our students are on the top :) , International companies like IBM, Microsoft, Dell just realized that and they just fight for our top programers :) and they decded to open research centers in our country :) we will see results in future, all in all if we have the best students of informatics so they will be the same good workers. Even your siemens realized we are the best and opened research center in Poland :)

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

I told you, find any international competition in informatics, you know univeristies competit with one another in programing or high schools :))) I pay you 100$ for each you find germans better than Poles and you pay me 10$ for each i find Poles are Better than Germans. :)))

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

I just find any international competion in informatics and you will find Pole on the top

ioinformatics.org

and which nation has head full of stereotypes .... hmmm no comment

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

it was irony, but I m realy glad you think it would be nice, Poland 120% of EU average helping Germans 94% of average.

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

You know you really annoy me. But just to show other what is the problem in our relationship.

Foreign investments in our country (mln EUR) 2007 will be simply the best ...
This money brought us companies which think we are good place for their investment.

What is more Hi- tech companies realized that our students are on the top in programing, informatics. Poles are inventive and are grate individualists. So We are just perfect for those companies.

For example, IBM ,Microsoft, Dell, Siemens decided to open research centers in our country because we have well educated specialists.

In some way we are similar to Ireland few years ago, so we decided to help for investors who want to open service centers in our country. It gives jobs for well educated economists and is quite good profitable.

Some example LODZ philips centre

tehre are a lot of that examples and this year will be simply the best.

Look here. Poznan "stary browar"

stary brow-
Warszawa
wawa-

You think thats all for your money, and EU specialists (they rather try to prove success of EU) thinks that only about 1% of our 6-7% grovt is just the resul of EU funds ...

So we are rather following Ireland than Greece. At the beginning Irish people were working everywhere, now we do it, but there are more and more laces in our country where we can use our education, and where we can earn quite good money.

So dont worry in the future we will give this money back ... (I hope for you)

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

What can be interesting, in the past Germany was one of the leaders of development, they had about 110% (or even more) of european GDP average. Now you have 100% of average (with new members) so you just middle one (per capita) so you goes down we go up, and everything is ok.

I think thats why you stooped opening service market in EU. It would be grate for whole europe, but germas have full trousers of S**T (mostly because of us :)) ) and they stooped it, because they are really afraid to competitive in open way :)))

am with us (Russia)

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]


And who lives still in the past ... no comment. Just come to Poznan, Wrocław, Krakow, Warszawa, Gdańsk.

We have the strongest stock in new Europen countries, ukrainian slovakian czech hungarian blatick states companies are listed on our stock, you tried to do it but you just failed.

Our import and export, quite balanced, and on quite high level. Export and import increases about 23% one year ... so watch your back. And you should be nice and polite or we will stop buing your products... (I have already stoped buy german products just because)





And some EU leaders will try to change it, and it will not be our twins. You will see. Germans leading Europe :))) and England, France, Italy just folowing great Merkel and her country :))))

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]


since now I havent seen any anty-german spot


I m not surprised by this post, thats why our "crazy twins" and if they lost, Tusk, will vote against all initiatives made by German governemnt in realtionships EU - Russia. It is just in our business, and having one EU line in those relationships is in European bussines. So we contribute sth to the party. We havent invented those rules, and we just dont care about your presure.

You know whole Europe noticed you (germany) want to be new leader of Europe, you dont want to pay, you want to use solidarity when you need, you have ambitions again... you just want to be yourself again.

But what can be interesting: how is your Tandem France-Germany ?? Have you noticed any changes ? As I know they dont want to be leaded by Germans, there are many other countries which just dont want to have in EU German domination, and it isnt about history, business is busines. so again: "How is your friend Sarkozy ?" Maybe your governemnt have noticed what you havent noticed. Your government tried to isolate Poland in EU, but other countries havent agreed ... you have inside problem : NPD, thats why, you have to be very nice for USA (you have just started) ,you society is one of the most anty-american one, but you just have to do again what you have been doing throught last 60 years. You are in some way funny, you always to much overbid ... you ambitions are just to big, EU dont want you being leader.

About living in teh past, why you government havent taken "zero option" ? or maybe something about NPD and their 30% support in eastern Germany. To be honest you look very Ostdeutscher/Neuelander so I wouldnt be surprised to see you there

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

This is discusion about Polish - German relationship.

I have already noticed that you as ther Russian represent the part of your society which has real problem to understand demoracys idea, so I m not surprised you have problems in understanding the EU idea.

Your argumnets show your frustration and dont stick to the facts.

What is more I think you dont watch German TV, If you watched, you would noticed that last time your German friends try to stop beeing shown as an advocate of russian interest in EU especialy in relationships with Poland. So thank you ConstatninK for help ;)

To be honest i look on our relationships (German-Polish) in a positive way, I think both sides wants to solve problem, so it should happen.

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

so maybe i will quote General Italia, we offert Germans quite good solution :


I agree we must solve it... And we dont want to have "victory" it should be made in way when two sides will be just satisfied. In this case it is just so easy to achieve.

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

1. In is one of the bigest European countries 311 900 km UK has about 244 820 km2
2. Every year we are richer, this year it GDP will increase about 6-7% with the lowest inflation in EU
3.It is better and better too, just come to Warszawa, Krakow, Poznan and you will see.
4. 38 mln, 6 place in EU
5. We are one of the bigests exporterers of copper, we have a lot of coal (we just started to made petrol form it )
6. It isnt small, our aim is 150 000 now it is biger, our soldiers are expirenced (Irak, Afganistan) it is partly proffesional, and we modernise it every year, F-16 , rosomak, missilies ... i m sure that its quality is much biger than Russian.

I see Germans just become quiet, so their Russian friend tries to help ...

We talk now about EU table, last prime minister of Spain fighted for Spains interests all the time, and Spain has similar potential as we have.

Life / What makes you proud to be Polish? [150]

I m very proud I m Polish.

We have never been broken, We never accepted Russian/German occupation. We speak our language, we have our culture, and we are independent again.

Yes they conquered us in the past , but we should notice some other facts.

Prussian duke Albrechtem Hohenzollernem on the knees kising our kings a s s . Have you ever seen any Polish leader on the knees ??

Or Russian tsar, converted into catholic religion, to complier to our Common Wealth. Have you ever seen any Polish leader converting in to other religion jut because it would be good seen in Germany or Russia ...



Russians kissing our kings a s s

News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]


rzeczpospolita.pl/gazeta/wydanie_070913/swiat/swiat_a_4.html

Maybe they will take "zero option"


Yes they have donations, just because they are ligal organization with the representation in local parlaments, but they have to give back some money as the result of mistakes made in procedures...

In my opinion, Germans have made mistake trying to avoid real discussion, and trying to solve all problems by force like: medial attack, trying to isolate Poland in EU (France helped us) there are several examples of this silly policy ...

What do we have now, they just haven’t break us.... our relationships are lets say cold.
But it is really good, because pretending that everything is fine is worst. Now Germans realized that we have to talk, because we are not afraid, we don’t care about isolation or we can be shown as lets say funny...

We have our interests, like all nations in EU, and just saying: "You are new one, just sit down and be quiet" is so ridiculous. Germans should read some historical books, and check if anybody in history have broken our nation or made us submissive.

Now we have to sit and seriously talk, I think we have excellent situation for this talks. New elections doesn’t make any difference PO isn’t looking submissive.

We know we play in one European team but all tensions are just about our position.

News / Poland's Contribution to the E.U. [56]

In my opinion we should more cooperate with other EU countries, have serious talks with Germans to solve those all historical problems, and all EU countries should hold one line in relationships with USA and Russians etc...

We as Poland should just work as the part of EU and strengthen our position in cooperation not in confrontation with other EU countries. According to western press, old EU realized we were right when we have made veto in negotiations with Russia. When old EU (mostly Germans) will support us in cases like embargo made by Russians or energetic safety. We should cooperate with them in other cases. Especially when EU has changed their leaders: Merkel is much better than manager of Gasprom Schroeder, Brown is much better than Blair (he has seen in Putin eyes real democrat) and definitely Sarkozy (who has made some steps to cooperate with Poland inside UE to weak German position in EU) than Chirac (he told us to be quiet).

That’s normal to check the new man in group, so EU countries just checked how taff we are, and now we should just cooperate.

Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]


I dont know where have you been, who have you meet,but I m sure that you have bad luck.

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]


Take it easy I havent accuesd you about being muppet ect. What is more, when you click on the first link ;)))) You will notice that not only muppets ;) are wrong in this case, but highly educated jurnalist of Guardian, The New York Times, Der Spigel ect.


Ehmm ok my English isnt perfect, but I understand everything what you writte, and I think my opinions contribute something here.

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

To be honest the case of "Polish deadh camps" is quite current. I just wanted to make it clear.

So just read that :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettos_in_occupied_Europe_1939_-_1944

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

Ok so i will put link to jews site about holocaust

yadvashem.org/

Read chronology, which nation has the bigest amout of heros helping jews durring the war ... (Righteous)

Who created gettos (in meaning it is usualy understood acording to WW II )

Who created gas chambers ...

Where jews were retrating form Germany just before the begining of the war ('39)

Just read that before telling me something about Polish gas chambers

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]


You know it is hard to call getto parts of towns where jews were about 40 % of those towns population, and there were a lot of that towns (especialy in eastern Poland)

But in this meaning, gettos existed in Poland, but it was just the issue of sb choice live with their own society or no . Durring II WW Germans forced jews to live in small gettos surrounded by walls and german soldiers, it was used by them to exterminate jews.

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]


yes. like in every occupied country.

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]


Ehhh ot be honest concetration camps and gettos were made by GERMANS !! WE WERE UNDER OCCUPATION, they came to our country and send all jews to certain parts of cities (gettos) with jewis comunity, than started killing them. Durring this war we lost about 6 milion citizens (3 milions of them were jews, just gues the nationality of the rest) Members of my famili were killed in concentration camps too and they were Poles. Just before the war jews were free, they voted in elections, they had their representation in parlament. I think there are some reasons why jews setteld in Poland and I dont think the reason was money ...

War started in 1939, our dear German neighbours noticed that they dont have enought space in their own country, so inviaded Poland and started murdering Jews and Poles to make space for pure Germans. Created Gettos and gas chambers.

Maybe different question ... Planes in 1941 starting from occupied France to bomb London were French or German ?

You know, after the war it was so easy when western Germany become ally, and Poland was given as a gift for Stalin. To change history and start even talking about Polish dead camps, call German soldiers Nazist. And now we have what we have: Jews were killed not by Germans but by Nazists in Poland in Polish concetration camps.

And accusing our society about anty-semitism is just harming. Because we never had bigger problems with that, than other countries. And if some occupators German ('39-'45)

or comunistic regimes imposed by Moscov (45-89) did something bad for jews. You shouldnt accuse Poles because those forces did for Poles many bad things too.

I showed in my previous post that people with jews origin dont have any porblems in our country. They are on both sides in our parlament. And anty-semits/natioalists/rasist ect. are marigin.

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]

Ehhmmm, ok I will show my point of view.

Just beffore the II WW jews were about 9,4 % of population. It was the bigges Jews coumunity in Europe, second all over the world (in USA there were more jews)

So thats why I think Poland wasnt so bad for them, just because they choosen to live in Poland not in Germany, France or England. We werent the richest country in Europe, but they have choosen this place to live... WHY? I just think that in those times we were more tolerant than others.

Yes I think thre are antisemits in Poland (like everywhere) but even those twins who are supported by antysmits and natioanlists, aren t rasist

Kaczyski in Israel

Kaczysnki again :

even Dorn one of main faces of PiS (Kaczysnkis party) is jew convertet in to catolic (his wife is catolic and persuaded him to change religion) and he hasnt any problems with that ...

So even on the right side of our political scene there is no place for antysemits.

Our antysemits are rather easy to manipulate, and Kaczysnki just uses them as the tool. He is supported by radom maryja and Trwam, just because he has just to persuade Rydzyk to his party and Rydzyk is persuading the rest of his dumb supporters ...

Giertych who could be consdered as rasist doesnt have big chances to stay in parlament any longer.

And conections between PiS and Radio Maryja should be rather seen as the "real policy" than ally or something like that ...

It shows the origin of flustration of antysemits in Poland (we can see it in this forum)
They can only writte stupid things on internet, and in elections they go to the pools nad vote on US ;-)))))))

History / Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish [532]


You are sick ... now I m sure what do you mean by saying PO has wrong people ...

News / Poland torpedoes EU Day Against Death Penalty [71]

I m against death penalty, just because sometimes it happens to kill innocent person, and for those innocent one, we should spend our taxes to held those all killers in prison.