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Poland torpedoes EU Day Against Death Penalty


Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Sep 2007 /  #1
Poland was the only EU country which did not support a proposal by the European Commission to establish a European Day Against the Death Penalty. The Polish representation argued there was no need for such a day because all EU countries had abolished capital punishment.

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Ronek 1 | 261  
7 Sep 2007 /  #2
lol, liberals must be pissed off ;)
_Sofi_  
7 Sep 2007 /  #3
So if there are no EU countries who still have capital punishment, what was the reason the proposal was made :S ?
Ronek 1 | 261  
7 Sep 2007 /  #4
our government is taking the p*ss, thats all.
Ranj 21 | 948  
7 Sep 2007 /  #5
I wholeheartedly agree with the Polish representation.....why the need to establish such a day when all EU countries have rid themselves of it.....make it a day "for the protection of life in general" not just capital punishment!
Ronek 1 | 261  
7 Sep 2007 /  #6
well its funny, cuz most of polish citizens vote for capital punishment and our politicians agree that it should be in place. It's not for one single reason - to make our lives easier while beeing part of EU and an european country in general.
Ranj 21 | 948  
7 Sep 2007 /  #7
most of polish citizens vote for capital punishment and our politicians agree that it should be in place

Same situation in the US.....I just don't understand the reasoning of people who are against abortion, yet for capital punishment or vice versa....imho, life is life and should be treated as such. It just makes no sense to me to "save em while they are young" so they can be "taken out" as they get older. To me, it's hypocracy.....
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Sep 2007 /  #8
lol, no eu govts have the death penelty....no they just install puppet govts and get them to do it for them **cough saddam hussaincough****

The Death penelty in my opinion is moraly bankrupt. If someone has commited such a hideous crime as to deserve death they shouldnt be rewarded with a quick way out,they should rot in jail and come out feet first after a lifetime of hard labour.

Not to stir up anything,honest,but,why would such a "Catholic " country such as Poland be in favour of The Death Penelty,isnt that a mortal sin or something?Why is hanging someone,ordered by politicians( shiny clean cut people that they are,not) OK but abortion of unwanted foetus' such a no no?

Not a dig,just a honest question....

er,ranj,are u reading my mind lol?
Ranj 21 | 948  
7 Sep 2007 /  #9
Why is hanging someone,ordered by politicians( shiny clean cut people that they are,not) OK but abortion of unwanted foetus' such a no no?
Not a dig,just a honest question....

That's the point I was trying to make, and I was raised Catholic.....I don't have a problem if one is either for both or against both.....just be consistent.

er,ranj,are u reading my mind lol?

Apparently so or you are reading mine;) lol
OP Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Sep 2007 /  #10
Not to stir up anything,honest,but,why would such a "Catholic " country such as Poland be in favour of The Death Penelty

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #11
What about all the people who get wrongly convicted?
You can be found innocent after time in prison,
but what good is that when you're dead?

The lesson it teaches is that if a country can kill it's people, then killing can be justified.

Look at which countries do continue to practise capital punishment:
China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, USA...
Not countries I'd like to live in.

tooth for a tooth

What use is a pile of teeth?
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
7 Sep 2007 /  #12
Unfortunately This is true in many cases, but what about the "beyond a resonable doubt" convicted? People that are guilty of mass murder serial killers?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #13
People that are guilty of mass murder serial killers?

There can be no one rule for some, another for others.
Beyond reasonable doubt should be the only measure.

Also, if someone has committed such heinous crimes, do I want to give them the easy way out?
I can think of one or two very nasty people who are in prison in the UK, who will never be released.
Death would surely have been an easier option for them.
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
7 Sep 2007 /  #14
Beyond reasonable doubt should be the only measure.

Agree :)

lso, if someone has committed such heinous crimes, do I want to give them the easy way out?

No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #15
No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons

It is the administering of the punishment, and thus worth paying for.
Law and order cannot come cheap.

In China, the death sentence is normally carried out by shooting.
The families of the executed are then charged for the cost of the bullet.
I assume you are not advocating such acts, but to me it only works to underline the barbarism of capital punishment.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105  
7 Sep 2007 /  #16
No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons.

Agreed. It's all very well saying that they should suffer in prison but are they really suffering at all when prisoners (in the UK at least) seem to be able to demand what the like and take the Prison System to court when they don't get what they want. All the while they waste tax payers money which could really be spent on better things!
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
7 Sep 2007 /  #17
The families of the executed are then charged for the cost of the bullet.
I assume you are not advocating such acts,

Nah....

All the while they waste tax payers money which could really be spent on better things!

We need a new island for these people.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Sep 2007 /  #18
Death Penelty...State sanctioned murder.....imho
now a bit of "Death wish" style revenge by an agrieved relative.........
OP Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Sep 2007 /  #19
No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons.

True. Kill'em.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #20
prisoners (in the UK at least) seem to be able to demand what the like and take the Prison System to court when they don't get what they want

The administration of our prisons has no bearing on the principle at stake here.
Prisons in the UK are not run how they should be.
Tail wagging dog.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Sep 2007 /  #21
We need a new island for these people.

actually,i was going to suggest that, Self sustaining prison islands,minimul cost to tax payer and eco friendly....works in Norway apparently.

Self sustaining prison islands

oops,we done that already...Australia :)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #22
Question:
In the US, how long does the average death row prisoner stay on death row?
A sensible use of resources?

works in Norway apparently

did in South Africa too.
Ranj 21 | 948  
7 Sep 2007 /  #23
No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons.

Unfortunately, our taxes suffer more for a prisoner on death row.....with all the appeals that have to be taken before a death sentence is carried out, it's actually more expensive to house a death row inmate than one who is sentenced to life.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105  
7 Sep 2007 /  #24
A sensible use of resources

Prisoners in the UK have too many rights I'm afraid to say. The point of imprisonment is that your liberty is taken away. You should have to live by minimal means. It happens to a degree but then you read about some offender who is 'just humiliated' because he had to use a toilet in front of his cellmate. Then he goes and sues the system, wins and rights change for prisoners all over the place. An old joke used to be that Bums got themselves arrested on Dec 24th because they got a fine Christmas Dinner in the jail. seems that's extended now.

We need a new island for these people.

Yup. Or shove them in a cave.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Sep 2007 /  #25
Theres a Scottish guy,who everyone knows was stiched up been on Death row in the states for 20 odd years now,he is only still inside on a technicality of the legal process but could have been murdered despite that,only heavy campaining has secured him a re trail . He was offered the chance of release but demanded a trail to prove his innocence.

Any one with the argument of ,"you have to crack a few eggs to make an ommlette" would be wise to consider how they would feel if one of those eggs was their brother/father/son.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Sep 2007 /  #26
Prisoners in the UK have too many rights

You don't need to tel me.

I mentioned the sensible use of resources to show Zgubiony's argument

but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons

to be misplaced, when in the US, death row prisoners languish for years.

In the less civilised countries that still practise capital punishment, the waiting time is much lower,
but justice is even more thin on the ground in such places.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,386  
7 Sep 2007 /  #27
Is it true that the number of people who die of natural causes on death row is greater than those who are put to death.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Sep 2007 /  #28
Quoting: isthatu
works in Norway apparently

did in South Africa too.

lol,the one in norway isnt quite robinn island, more a sort of castaway ,ray mears wet dream.....but a start... How about the isle of man? nope,we done that as well before with the refugees from the austrian cpl...
Ranj 21 | 948  
7 Sep 2007 /  #29
Is it true that the number of people who die of natural causes on death row is greater than those who are put to death.

I don't know the actual stats, W, but I would not be surprised if that were to be the case.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105  
7 Sep 2007 /  #30
wise to consider how they would feel if one of those eggs was their brother/father/son.

No argument there.

The issue of the death penalty will always be a hot one. The beyond reasonable doubt verdict is the closest you could ever get to sentencing someone to death without waiting a couple of decades for the deed to be done.

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