Posts by tornado2007

tornado2007

14 Nov 2007

UK, Ireland / Polish and Foreign Drivers in the UK [28]

Torny my best friend is a manager at a large insurance company - she heads a team in the motor claims division - the pecentage of accidents caused by EU members is low in comparison to that of none europeans...standards for passing tests in Europe are far higher than those of 3rd world countries!

i take that point and accept it however no matter what non EU or EU the test standards are not up to those of the UK. Its pretty simple, when coming into the UK you need to take a driving test, its not difficult is it?? I think this would solve a percentage of the problems

tornado2007

14 Nov 2007

UK, Ireland / Polish and Foreign Drivers in the UK [28]

hay believe me i'm talking about 'all' foreign drivers. however this is in the news at the moment and i thought it worth discussing as it included Polish drivers. I've just laid out the facts without even commenting on it myself, which usually i do, i just feel sometimes the UK is far to soft on visitors and migrants to this country.

tornado2007

14 Nov 2007

UK, Ireland / Polish and Foreign Drivers in the UK [28]

Maybe stop being faggots and start driving on the right side of the road.

lol, i actually kind of understand the point your making, we do drive on the other side of the road but surely thats not a big problem, UK nationals manage to adapt when they go abroad so why is it not the same on the flip side??

doesnt matter which side of the road you drive on if you drive like a twat

so true :)

thought exactly the same haha

damn and its grzegorz again
its weird that i have the same thoughs couple of times already

then my post above also is to you :)

tornado2007

14 Nov 2007

UK, Ireland / Polish and Foreign Drivers in the UK [28]

Ok so here we go for another discussion, debate or what some people like to call an argument, however this time its a little different. I'm not going to express my view until 'you' being the Polish and other foreign drivers have a chance to answer.

I have been made aware lately of the facts and figures about foreign drivers in the UK both on the roads generally and especially truckers, from other parts of the EU and the world.

so first of 'foreign lorries are three times more likely per mile traveled to be involved in collisions than British lorries.' This is of course in the UK.

'The number of crashes caused by all types of foreign vehicle has increased by 47 per cent in the past five years.'

there has also been a huge increase in the number of accidents involving Polish drivers, in 2001 there were 361 crashes however in 2006 there were over 3000!!!!. this is coupled with the fact that in the UK foreign drivers cause 18,000 accidents while UK drivers only involved in 5,000 accidents.

a Polish driver told BBC One's Real Story he drove in the UK despite not understanding any British road signs. there were over 15,000 foreign nationals last year who took their driving test with an interpretor in the back of the car.

here is another quote from a Polish lorry driver "I came to the conclusion that sooner or later I would fall asleep behind the wheel killing somebody or killing myself"

here are just a few more from other drivers

"Sometimes we would work overtime to get through the load - up to 26 hours."

"My record was 32 hours more or less. I didn't understand the English road signs. I still don't."

This dosen't even start to touch on the difference in laws between the UK and other EU countries, there are a lot of laws that are broken by foreign drivers, both cars and lorries, for example, tax, insurance, MOT and other safety features that are required by a car on British roads.

there is a lot more and this is just the tip of the iceberg, so without me pointing out what i think, i would like to offer this out to the Polish and Foreign drivers in the UK today. I'm also interested in the driving tests in your countries, apparently in the UK it takes on average 39 minutes to complete a driving test where as in other countries it only takes 19 minutes or a backhander to pass your test.

P.S. Please, Please, Please on not think i'm picking on or do not like the Polish in anyway, i have put the 'Polish' slant on this because this is 'PF' Polish forums. So please keep it to the topic and not jumping into the 'your anti polish' etc etc and all the other worthless comments like the one i have just stated.

Thank you

T

ow yes i almost forgot here are my references :)

driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article286 6091.ece
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/6081596.stm

tornado2007

14 Nov 2007

UK, Ireland / An Englishman's View on Polish flocking to the UK [53]

always emigrate themselves

wow almost being pushed out of their own country!!!!! it isn't good if the British are leaving Britain just because of a few thousand immigrants. If its a choice between the Immigrants and British it should be the British every time :)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / What will the Polish give the UK? [58]

Polish people can be hard working when they want to be.

usually involves money, lol :)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

News / Third World War and the role of Poland [82]

churchill probably lost his tongue because he was fed up of warning people and falling on deaf ears :)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

election or polls.

yes i suppose i did go off topic because i didn't really state the real topic, as i've said its not the 'vote' itself its the act on UK soil. I apolagise for the confusion.

Are you requesting that your topic be locked? (Still available to read)

i'll leave that in your capable hands, if you feel it serves no purpose then you can lock it. But please leave it up. As for continuing on with the discussion i can only say i'm not willing to sit back and let people rip into any which way they please without defending myself. After all it is a case of the masses against one :)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Tornado

I can't believe after 4 days you are still going on about this. Let it go. For one, it was a week ago. For another, what's the purpose of constantly bringing it up? You've made the points you wanted to. So it's arguing for arguments sake now, isn't it?

with all due respect dolly, i made a point last week, which wasn't clear, i was thrown all kinds of stones. I then tried to explain my point but was shot down by people just simply abusing me 'your stupid' 'your on a high horse' 'your anti polish' 'your racist' and all kinds of other comments.

I am merely replying to those who have posted on my topic, what is wrong with that, i don't mind you telling me to give it up not at all as your a mod and all, however be fair i'm not the only one posting, why not tell everybody that its not worth talking about and just close it down??

I'm sorry but you seem to be laying it all on me. it may not be true but its how i feel.

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

it is if you believe the hearsay, its just as i said i'm not talking about the 'voting' i'm talking about the 'action' happening on UK soil. we have spoken before about many subjects i think you know i'm not impossible.

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / What will the Polish give the UK? [58]

new words... new food

i like these, having parts of other cultures introduced is very important if the UK is going to live together and not in separate divisions.

new driving techniques

lol, i think we'll leave them alone after some of the things i've seen on youtube :)

POLISH WOMEN

Now there's something i really like, lol. However i don't think the government could say this officially :):)

Sorry, I got OTT here. £6 bn in taxes comes from all the immigrants, not from Poles only.

while i appreciate all the tax paying immigrants i think we should minus the money for the illegals, of course i do not include Poles in this as they cannot be illegally in the UK.

Businesses and the government will benefit from this-not us

spot on on the monetary side, the poles do however have more to offer than money.

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Did you do that deliberately?

do what deliberately?? use the word 'Polish' well as an example yes, as this is a Polish forum, i'm always getting told off for not talking about 'Polish' specifically so i'm just doing as i'm told. Of course i'm not picking on the Polish i'm not biggoted.

I'm sorry - it's 'brown-nosing' to say a clever man is clever? I thought I could better be accused of stating the obvious, but you are leaning on the side of nasty now, which is not required. I'm not the only person to think of Osiol as clever. But I guess they were just 'brown-nosing' too.

well yes i guess they are then :). by all means say nice things about people thats acceptable but just to say it to back him in an debate is somewhat brown nosing. I know he's clever and intellegent but i don't say it while he's in the middle of a discussion with somebody else.

yeah... it's me who is missing the point. You seem to think if people don't agree with your point, they haven't understood you. But that is your misunderstanding.

you didn't quote all of what i said, i also said this is something that i do and that 'all' people make mistakes. so please but that card you just played back in the deck.

If she has an opinion on something and wants to state it, but someone else has already said it - why would she repeat it? Why not just make her view known by saying she agrees?
Am I 'brown-nosing' again Tornado?

no your not because your not saying she's the most beautiful ***** cat in the world :). I think you'll find i said 'a lot of the time' so not just on this occasion, Daisy is a frequent 'i agree' poster more than the average bear.

I don't take kindly to that remark.

i apoligise if it offends you what would you rather me say to describe it?? by the way i'm asking seriously as i really don't mean to openly offend people.

Tornado has gotten personal.

you what?? what are you calling personal?

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Tornado. I'm kind of new here. But I'm a regular poster on forums elsewhere. Your responses seem to me, now, Trolling.

You're looking for an argument, and your selectively quoting as well as being quite derogatory towards people.

well i'm sorry king of the forums, i'm not looking for an argument at all, i'm looking for a discussion about topics taht matter to me.

Don't feed the Troll.

derogatory and a touch childish don't you think :) call me what you wnat but doon't whatever you do be a hypocrite like you have there :):)

I'm kind of new here

So then you have only seen a few of my posts, you are not really in a position to judge clearly or with much accuracy, however i admire your honesty.

Don't feed the Troll.

<Smiles to himself> don't make me laugh is that meant to be clever

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

Love / IDEAL POLISH GUY [25]

agree with you there, one mans cave is another mans castle, or in this case shouldn't that be a woman :)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

- Oh boy, he's still rambling?

i think the majority of my contribution has a bit more quality attached to it than yours puzzler :)

Well if it's like this case - it has nothing to do with the UK...but nor would it affect UK residents in a bad way. Since, like this, it wouldn't affect us at all.

exactly so it shouldn't be done here, we need things done here that effect US not other countries.

What on earth are you expecting? How long has it been going on and no knock-on effects that have caused harm..?

being going on for ages, what Polish people voting in the UK i don't think so.

No, he's not stupid at all.

i think osiol will appreciate the brown nosing and may thank you later :)

A related question that actually has better room for equal discussion than the thread's original question. Had this been the question to begin with - it would be an entirely different ball game.

considering my real point wasn't about the 'vote' it was about the vote 'taking place' you just didn't pick that up and i don't think i explained myself well. However as i said to osiol everyone makes mistakes.

entirely agree with you on that one

Daisy a lot of your contribution is agreeing with people why don't you change the cat to a sheep my dear :) lol

Quoting: tornado2007
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

smiling right back at you buddy, lol :):):):):):):):)

tornado2007

28 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

And Tornado.. this does NOT validate your point... OK! ;)

i wouldn't dream of using it as a reason

because the point he made originally has been proved to be unfounded,

money was not the only issue :)

No he does not

lol and of course the whole of the forum is filled with knowledgeable people who just can't help but know more than me :)

I assumed that you at least glance over or scan through what other people have said in your arguments, sorry, debates. I don't think you always take it all in. Some arguments people make do move somewhat laterally, but that includes you too.

your probably right, as i said everybody makes mistakes

Lack of knowledge of any particular subject becomes apparent when one posts on a forum about that subject.

why would you share all of your knowledge or even a tenth of it if you didn't think it was relevant to a certain point.

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

You make some of it pretty obvious to this forum.

you can gage what i know but not what i don't after all you cannot read minds.

having no opinion whatsoever - there is nothing wrong with that.

i totally agree with that

I have principles that will never move, but some of my opinions can change given strong enough facts and good argument

same here

My horse has steadier legs, and you might notice I'm not always as stubborn as a donkey.

lol

I rehttps://polishforums.com/polonia_uk-f31_0.html
Polonia - UKspect that you can lighten up at times with the same people you have just been arguing with (by that I mean against).

of course i can lighten up but i'm not arguing i'm debating with you. Arguing is over aggressive discussion that is beyond the reasonable, debating is giving your honest opinions on a subject and seeing and commenting on others responses.

Occasionally, I even agree with you,

hay don't think htis is one way, i also agree with you,

but that you don't seem to pay any attention the arguments made against it.

i do read all the arguments against me, however sometimes it isn't actually a reaction to my point rather something around the edges. Yes sometimes i may fail to react to something and i make mistakes, who dosen't were all human or an animal of some kind :)

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Tornado00000, you don't understand economics, politics, international diplomacy, or when to shut up.

you don't have a clue what i know and don't know :)

So you would deny the rights of others...

its not about denying the other people, its just i don't want public voting, simple. Its not the people i want to deny its the public voting i don't want. Surely you can see that, in fact i know you can.

we've been through this before. PAY ATTENTION.

I do but when you get two strong minded people this is what happens, i respect our opinion and this is why i don't call you stupid, or tell you to shut up, or say your wrong your wrong your wrong. I don't mind you putting forward points and counter debating my points, but you do exactly what you accuse me off. Yesterday or the day before you accused me of sitting on a high horse, you might want to read your last post and think about what you look like sometimes. I'm not accusing you of sitting on a high horse i'm saying that mayeb you shouldn't cast stones.

I don't think you realise that i have a respect for people that i talk to virtually, well most, those who can talk like adults (of which you are one) however i don't feel i get the same respect back.

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

i think osiol just wants to pick at me at the moment so what else am i meant to do keep stum, who me :)

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

No, but I've given you many arguments before in favour of the UK's membership of the EU, but you got stuck on many simple statements I had made, so I'm not going to bother repeating myself.

Probably because the simplest things in life are important :) You seem to be able to make a 2 page pull out a 300 page report, i merely cut it down and take out the parts that are simple, therefore important.

Just because you don't want to vote, that doesn't mean you should deny the rights of others.

I do want to vote, i didn't say i don't, i just wouldn't want to do in another country in a public arena. I'm in somebody else's house doing my business, dosen't sound right does it!!

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Polo's horses?

yeah donkeys too :)

Too many reasons for you to fathom.

no osiol your not stupid enough to lead off into the 'i'm questioning your intelligence or ability to understand something' i hope.

Then they let you vote on their soil in yours perhaps.

don't particularly want to and don't particularly think voting on foreign land should happen in the way i stated. For all the people saying i'm arguing for arguments sake then why can't we just say know that we can agree to disagree.

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Who needs sleeping pills when you're off on one?
Polo's what?

you know donkeys, horses they love those mints with the hole :)

Who needs sleeping pills when you're off on one?

obviously a lot of people as they seem to reply or react in what way it dosen't concern me but hay there is a positive and negative to everything.

How do you like that, eh, Torny?

i think your trying to pull a fast one, lol

We'd be making a big mistake...

why??

don't you think it sounds a bit petty? Why close off that option? What harm does it bring you? Personally?

you h ave to start somewhere, its like hte butterfly effect, first you let foreign nationals vote on their elections, then what next can happen on UK ground that has nothing at all to do with the UK??? it always starts of with small things.

tornado2007

27 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

Are you kidding me ?

no i'm not joking, who is going to kick up just because we don't let you vote using one specific methods when others are open to you

who the hell is this 'We' who 'allowed' this to take place?

Britain :)

Tornado...

... yawn.

sorry donkey maybe its not a good idea to swallow those things that look like polo's there actually sleeping pills :)

sorry but i want britain out the eu........ps-i love poland

mate i would love to be out, thanks for your support, i also like Poland :)

well thank you so much for your help 60 years ago. I think you'll find that the UK as part of the EU has already given Poland enough, none of the countries ow each other anything.

tornado2007

26 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

It's already been established that Poland and not UK paid for this...

i know this my dear, i have already said that :)

no Anglo-Saxon was harmed in the process.

lol i like the humour :) but really thats it, what you have just said Polish polish polish, where in the UK no UK interaction at all like a separate colony all together we need to live side by side or nothing at all. I don't think pockets of nationalities is a good idea thats all.

But then you say they should use a postal vote...I'm surprised you don't object to them using Her Majesty's Royal Mail boxes, the contents of which are emptied, transported and sorted by Her Majesty's Royal Mail employees...or perhaps you do object them using a Royal Mail postal service...Perhaps the Poles should supply their own post boxes..or better still ballot boxes.

of course i don't mind, there paying for the postage stamp so they deserve to get the service like anybody else does. i just don't think any nationality should have an organised place for voting unless its UK referendums or voting time, thats about the size of it.

will the apply to british citizens abroad so? Unless you are in britian you cannot vote in a british election unless you are in britian?

why the hell not, and you can vote, postal and through embassy's

What about the armed services abroad? what about the GB citizens who happen to be working in Dubai or warsaw? By your merits, your saying you wont allow the british government to organise, pay and allow GB citizens overseas (ie in other countries) the ability to vote? Because that is in effect what you are saying about the Polish govt have done in the UK (and in many other places.

thats why we have post, they can send a vote like they can send a letter to their families its not that difficult and my father has done it himself :)

newsflash - this kind of thing was going on long before EU btw.

NEWSFLASH: the EU has made this type of thing even worse and will no doubt encourage the right of any national to do most things in a foreign land.

the makeup of the GB population is more varied than white british male and has connections to many countries around the world.

stop trying to make out that i think every British person is 'WHITE' because i don't think that. Your just pointing at the 'race' issue again which as you very well know i have no problem with.

these people are british and should they go abroad are entitled to vote in british elections abroad. the GB govt organises, pays and allows this by the grace of international law - the converse is. they allow other nations to organise, pay and allow other nations to do the same.

you see that term again, international law, it crops up everywhere. Good for them wow they can vote but i don't see why they can't just post their votes or do it through the British Embassy or what ever embassy of the country they are from.

there is no cost to the uk tax payer
there is no laws imposed on the gb citizen as a result of such election (as there is none when a GB citizen does the very same abroad)
it is not an EU law, it is an international law, that PREDATES EU.

EU or International law its all the same, its not British, on British land it should be BRITISH law only.

I truely feel from your original post, you objected largely to there being a GB cost to this, now you've conceeded there is not and merely have you 'back up' now

AS i dont think you would want the GB citizens right to vote abraod removed either.

how about the fact i had more than one point and it wasn't just about the money. If you think i'm arguing or debating for no reason then hay thats your opinion.

Torn, unfortunately you don't let me change my mind about you. I don't like EU (maybe not totally but in current version this is s*hit no doubt) but this has nothing to do with EU or any political correctness, that's not any "make love not war" kind of stuff, that's simply one of the most basic things. If your government tried to interrupt in any way, you would make yourself an ass of the world and suffer huge loses both politically and economically.

Point taken mate, it was also well constructed. To be honest if we said 'no' you can't have public ballet boxes instead you have to vote by post or by going to the embassy i don't really think the rest of the world apart from Poland would care. I accept its good for Polish/British relations that we allow you to have these elections here, please for one second don't think i would apply this to the Polish only because i wouldn't it would be to all. It's just a simple principal that the only voting, polling and electing to be done in this country should be our own.

Agreed.. Torny just doesn't like being wrong....it's just become argument for arguments sake :(

well i htink you'll find that when i'm wrong Daisy i publicly apoligise for being so. If i am ever out of line etc etc i am the first to write on the public boards either 'sorry' or 'i'm wrong' so don't question my integraty please, thank you

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

You have to be clear in what you say then.
Because if you don't say accurately what you mean how can others know what you mean to say. The reader can only read the written words, not unwritten thoughts behind them.

point taken

I will, tomorrow.

It's late on your side of the pond, and it's getting late here too, so for now have a good night all.

yeah i'm cool with that, its late here in England very much so:) i've got one eye on the baseball too

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

We can discuss it then if you like.

yes we could considering my father and other family members went over their to clean up the mess between the north and the south. I'm sorry for my ignorance as you call it, i don't just mean IRISH when i say 'those who don't consider themselves British' i mean ALL who say that. I don't really mind why they don't want to be British neither the reasons for it. If they don't want to then hay they don't have to be. So don't throw the 'ignorant' card at me because thats not the reason at all :). Maybe i should read a little more considering my families involvement in the conflict over in Ireland. I like the idea of a combined Ireland where the Irish are Irish. Thats a pipe dream i know.

same as my definition - we agree on something. Dobrze

lol

Yes, but the fact is that the allied forces did NOT fight for ALL members equally.

ok so please expalin what you mean, examples etc, i kind of get where your coming from but i would like to hear a few examples and reasonings please??

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

Life / Why do Poles drink so much? [161]

So the Poles like a drink, heck, who dosen't the whole worlds at it right?? :)

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

I'm sick and tired of all this. I wish we were not coming to UK. I wish all the Poles working there dumped their sh..tty jobs and came back to Poland, instead of taking all these insults.

i'm not trying to insult the poles but i wouldn't mind if some of them and other immigrants left the country so we could kick our lazy assed people into jobs :) I don't mind those who have specialist skills or work in higher positions in companies but cleaning floors, serving coffee, we have our own people to do simple jobs like that.

It's a sick world we're living in, where media psychopaths are allowed to spread their hate with total impunity.

i think you need to go and see a doctor and maybe start on anti-depressants

Actually, it isn't that simple.
Firstly, more than 30% of people in Northern Ireland regard themselves as being Irish.

listen if they don't want to be British then they can sling their hooks its as simple as that :) i don't want people who don't want to be British.

Do you mean citizens of these nationalities, ie persons who have the right to vote (and therefore wouold be voting in the referendum anyway)?

i mean people who were born in either of those countries, people who have citizenship after being in residence of the UK for 5-10 years or however long it takes i'm not sure.

It would be very interesting, and close, but I think that Britain would stay in the EU, by 55 to 45 or something like that. It would probably be down to who runs the best media campaign that would decide the result.

personally and its only my point of view, your living in a dream world, it seems once again we will have to agree to disagree.

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

So you're OK with foreigners fighting for and defending your country

sorry but if your part of the 'allied forces' your fighting for all allied members including your own, so don't play the defending your country card.

I can't agree with you here. i think it's very important that Britain remains in the EU.

then we will just agree to disagree. however i would be interested on what you think the result of a referendum on this situation would be??

tornado2007

25 Oct 2007

UK, Ireland / Polls for Poles in the UK [178]

As for me, I don't care if the British living in Poland use Polish polling stations for voting.

well good for you :)

Even if the Poles pay for it?

yes even if Poland is paying for it

when you speak of the 'British taxpayers,' you seem to suggest that Poles working in your country don't pay taxes. In reality, they pay them, like everyone else.

i know the majority do, thank you.

So what would your conclusion be...?

exactly what i said before, stop the public polling stations

This is a bad argument. The world has evolved Tornado, you see, Polish people live in Britain and British people live in Poland but not only that, both nationalities live all over the world.

of course they do!!!!!! where do you think i've been the last ten years. just because the Polish live here or we live there it does not mean we or they should have all these 'rights' and laws that we can cry too if we can't get our own way.

You do. You don't want Polish people to be able to vote within the UK. You said as much.

no dolly i said i don't want public polling stations, i don't mind embassy or postal votes. its the principal of allowing it publicly that i don't like