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Third World War and the role of Poland


Learner  
21 Oct 2007 /  #1
just a couple of days ago, Bush spoke about the possibility of starting a Third world War with Russia, Iran and China in one side, and Israel, USA and UK in the other (of course, with more allies of each of them, which we will wait and see).

If such an event takes place, what will be the role of poland? ... how will you cope with that situation....as obviously the main players will be USA - RUSSIA and CHINA.

and the recent ways of putin, kremlin ... and east european attitude....probably dont make Russia happy at all... so might we see a showdown?
Kowalski 7 | 621  
21 Oct 2007 /  #2
starting a Third world War with Russia, Iran and China in one side, and Israel, USA and UK in the othe

We are no different and many of us would love to kill, harm and fight risking own lives. In case of war you are mentioning I think Poles would have no problem contributing and coping. We would love to kick Russian's ass for sure and I foresee no problem with motivating against China or Iran (here claim that they are Muslims would be easy to sell).

As for our partners in planned bloodshed (?) we'd love to fight arm in arm with USA and UK. Israel ? - well, we work it out in hope they would stop hating Poland.

I'm sure Bush didn't say it all, did he?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
21 Oct 2007 /  #3
Better attack Gerries.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
21 Oct 2007 /  #4
If Poland was military attacked by Germany and Russia who would Poles fight first?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
21 Oct 2007 /  #5
I would make a deal with Russians and attack Gerries.
Kowalski 7 | 621  
21 Oct 2007 /  #6
Germany first of course. First duty then pleasure!
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2007 /  #7
Your write about the major players, however the British have the best special forces in the world. We will have blown up important parts of their war machines before they even knew what hit them. :) I'm sure the Polish would be on the side of the "Allies" rather than that of the Rusky's. Although it would be strange to see you fighting alongside German soldiers!!!

maybe a bit of mutiny in the camp??? :)
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
21 Oct 2007 /  #8
Although it would be strange to see you fighting alongside German soldiers!!!

we were fighting together with Germans against Turkey and we had union with saksonia ( land in Germany) so there were some episodes in our history ...
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2007 /  #9
ow ok i wasn't sure, i'm not 100% on my Polish history, lol. Still it would be a sight for sore eyes :)

I remember when i was younger staying at an army camp where my dad was based, I was talking with Polish pilots who were being trained by the British alongside some Germans. However i asked the Polish why they were not sitting with the Germans, and he said 'we just don't like them' Little did i know why at my ripe old age of 10. To think about it now actually its pretty shocking that so called allies still hate each other enough they can't sit over a meal in the mess hall!!!
oh_damn  
21 Oct 2007 /  #10
To be honest, Poland should flip the bird to both sides... and fight with who ever disturbes us...

USA and UK sold us out to communist Russians after WW2..
Israel, they dont like Poland, and Poland dont like Israel.
Russia... do I really need to write anything haha ?

But of course this is not realistic =) :P Poland would join the "allies"... and her roll would prolly be to mess with Russia...
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2007 /  #11
USA and UK sold us out to communist Russians after WW2..

the US sold you out!!!!

Israel, they dont like Poland, and Poland dont like Israel.

why??

Russia... do I really need to write anything haha ?

no i think there is plenty to document your point here :)

But of course this is not realistic =) :P Poland would join the "allies"... and her roll would prolly be to mess with Russia...

what could the polish bring to the party???
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
21 Oct 2007 /  #12
ow ok i wasn't sure, i'm not 100% on my Polish history

;) I just wanted to say there were some episodes ... but mostly we were deadly enemies.

why??

maybe it isnt noticable in media, but Poles rather prefere Paletinians, when you look into books you will know why ... ;) but Israel isnt important issue in Poland.

what could the polish bring to the party???

honestly we would be first to join that kind of war ... just because ;)

yes your special units are famous the same as US but our GROM (you can find some info) is very good as well and it is conisdered as one of the top special units all over the world ... and as well as I know we cooperate in traings of our special units

what can be interesting when we look on German KSK and Polish GROM , Germans are considered as pussies ;) and it is experts opinion ... maybe because we send our GROM where it is posible and they are one of the most expirienced special units all over the world ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GROM
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
21 Oct 2007 /  #13
Uk in war against Russia, eh? I wonder what would be the EU decission. Hmmm... Either way, considering the history of poland in the XXth century it would be wise for us to try as much as posible to stay neutral in this conflict. Chivalry is long time gone. Let them big guys settle it on their own.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
21 Oct 2007 /  #14
it would be wise for us to try as much as posible to stay neutral in this conflict.

???

do you belive in what you say ... there is no option we would stay neutral ...
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
21 Oct 2007 /  #15
First of all, i don't believe that that kind of conflict would happen... but if... I think that Poland should wait for EU's and NATO's decision on what to do and definately try to stay neutral as much as it is possible. Taking under consideration the distance between Russia and Poland it wouldn't be wise to declare war on them. UK is on an island and USA is on the other sde of the pond, both far far away from Poland.

Let them major players, as tornado called them, bleed themselves dry.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
21 Oct 2007 /  #16
if that kind of war would happen we are naturaly on side of UK or US ... I know our history and relationship are complicated (we have to change a lot in this case) but all in all we share the same values.

Russia is our natural enemy Russia isnt democratic, Russia is weak but it is noticable that when prices of oil increase they are more and more brutal and ignorant ... so it is our business to support all their (Russians) enemies...

That is why we support Ukraina that is why we support Gerogia (country near Russia) ... What is more we succesfuly torpeded EU project (mostly German) of EUR-ASIA, and in smoe cases we shouldnt wait on opinions of "big players" but just try to influece on EU policy because we are part of it ...
randompal 7 | 306  
21 Oct 2007 /  #17
If such an event takes place, what will be the role of poland?

the role of Poland will be one big-ass target because now the world thinks for sure that we are gutless lovers of whatever garbage the USA shoves down our throats. Secret CIA jails? No problem! Send troops to invade Iraq? No problem! Send troops to Afghanistan (even though every other country on earth filed to pacify it)? Yes please! Pointless anti-missile rockets? Why the hell not, we agreed to literally everything else!!

We will sink to depths of hell along with Uncle Slam and its increasingly useless dollar...
oh_damn  
21 Oct 2007 /  #18
the US sold you out!!!!

The UK too... go to google, choose google pictures, write "churchill stalin", you'll se plenty of pics of them together...

why??

Just as Lukasz said, check the books...its a long story..

no i think there is plenty to document your point here :)

for sure :D

what could the polish bring to the party???

Well what do you think=) Poland has an army... so the contribution would be from the simplest on-foot-solider to high tech military aircrafts and spec OPs teams..

Also I think Poland would be a bridge for the rest of the allies to attack Russia..
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
21 Oct 2007 /  #19
or a buffer zone protecting europe from the hordes
Giles  
21 Oct 2007 /  #20
or..kebap and pizza stopover enroute to Dover....

INVADING ARMY? Need a Tan? We have a selection of solariums although the old Danzig corridor for the Invaders needs. New cold war, get a tan.

This is a Promotion of the Pomorskie Tourist development department.

Third World War.....yeah apparently the New World Order are actually Aliens.....crazy
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
21 Oct 2007 /  #21
New World Order are actually Aliens

yeah... shape changing at that... spook
osiol 55 | 3,922  
21 Oct 2007 /  #22
I thought the Third World War would somehow involve Tescos.
Giles  
21 Oct 2007 /  #23
I'm going to fight for the Noble Waitrose. Guardian of the Brand. Slayer of Asda. Overcomer of Lidl
osiol 55 | 3,922  
21 Oct 2007 /  #24
I'd like to see Marks & Spencer's special forces.
These are no ordinary special forces - hand-picked...
Giles  
21 Oct 2007 /  #25
Mark's and Spark's Tanktop division
lesser 4 | 1,311  
21 Oct 2007 /  #26
Uk in war against Russia, eh? I wonder what would be the EU decission.

They would be destroyed even before they would call for a debate in EU parliament to discuss this issue :)

If something like this happens Poland should immediately proclaim neutrality.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
21 Oct 2007 /  #27
The UK too... go to google, choose google pictures, write "churchill stalin", you'll se plenty of pics of them together...

i'm sorry but Churchill warned EVERYBODY about Stalin but they didn't listen, don't lay this one on Churchill because he could already foresee what would happen with Stalin :)

so the contribution would be from the simplest on-foot-solider

agreed :)

high tech military aircrafts and spec OPs teams..
Also I think Poland would be a bridge for the rest of the allies to attack Russia..

what are they, the turnip busters, lol :)

I think Poland would be a bridge for the rest of the allies to attack Russia..

I think your correct there probably the most valuable thing you can offer
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
21 Oct 2007 /  #28
i'm sorry but Churchill warned EVERYBODY about Stalin but they didn't listen, don't lay this one on Churchill because he could already foresee what would happen with Stalin :)

Actually Churchill was a very interesting and tragic figure of WWII. He criticized Chamberlain for his appeasement politics towards Hitler just to do the same later on with Stalin. It's worth writing that in contrary to English post WWI government he was very pro Polish and very pro any other new established countries in the between the wars period. For example during the Polish Bolshevik war he convinced British government to send some aid for the polish army. Unfortunately, this aid never reached its destination as the English Dockers sabotage it, but that's just a whole different story.

Still despite his positive attitude towards Poles and Poland he did lead a very double faced politics towards them. He perfectly knew about Stalin’s plans regarding Poland, which BTW Stalin was always open about. He cold have stopped cooperation between our two nations when The Soviets joined the Allies, but he didn't want to gave up on Polish intelligence, polish soldiers both abroad and in the home army, etc so he continued to deceive Polish government and avoid answering the question what will happen with Poland after the end of WWII. We can't blame him of bad will towards us. As most English men, he was a pragmatic. His responsibility was to protect his fellow country men and not some people of central (or as it seem these days, eastern) Europe and it was obvious that any form of attack on Russia at that time would be suicidal. We can't blame him for protecting his people, however I don't think it is too much to ask to understand, that after so many promises being made by him during the BOB and after sacrificing so much, my grandfather and other polish soldiers of that time felt bitter, abandoned and betrayed.

As for Americans selling us out, we never had any treat signed between our governments nor did Roosevelt ever promised us anything, so I don't think that we can talk here about "selling us out". (I'm also against saying that the UK sold us out BTW)

if that kind of war would happen we are naturaly on side of UK or US ... I know our history and relationship are complicated (we have to change a lot in this case) but all in all we share the same values.

Taking under consideration today’s Poland, I'm sure you are right. I was just expressing my point of view and what I think would be the best for Poland, and declaring war against Russia would definitely be a very foolish thing to do.

The whole idea about a USA vs China/Russia/Iran armed conflict seems pretty much surreal, especially the UK joining in part (such recklessness is not their style), but if it would be the case, than to declare war against Russia would mean that on the territory of Poland there would be one of possible fronts. At this point emerges a question, do you think that the UK and USA would send their troops to defend, strategic-wise, not a very important point like Poland? I think that history gives us a hint how the whole situation could have turned out. :)

Basically, I would do what Americans did during WWII: sit back and watch how the major players bleed themselves out... Risking the lives of millions of innocent civilians and the state of economy for dubious honor of standing in the front line isn't a good business at all. The only thing that we would gain by doing so would be earlier mentioned honor and fame, which as history shows us, doesn’t last long. After 60 years or so, our grand children mentioning our heroic deeds would be probably called backward and accused of living in the past any way. LOL :)) So what's the point?
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
21 Oct 2007 /  #29
As for Americans selling us out, we never had any treat signed between our governments nor did Roosevelt ever promised us anything, so I don't think that we can talk here about "selling us out". (I'm also against saying that the UK sold us out BTW)

Indeed, there was no official treaty before the war, but there were promisory agreements struck during WW2.

Oh, and that cute photo of Roosevelt in front of the map of Poland with 1939 borders. But then, it was only an election photo op, with about 6 million Polish voters at stake. These were the voters unaware that Roosevelt had already turned his back on Poland.

So yes, I'd say the USA did sell Poland, or (if you prefer) betrayed it.
King Sobieski 2 | 716  
21 Oct 2007 /  #30
Quoting: oh_damn

USA and UK sold us out to communist Russians after WW2..

the US sold you out!!!!

what, churchill was mute after WW2?

lost his tongue?

poland was sold out by both the USA and UK.

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