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Polish and Foreign Drivers in the UK


tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
14 Nov 2007 /  #1
Ok so here we go for another discussion, debate or what some people like to call an argument, however this time its a little different. I'm not going to express my view until 'you' being the Polish and other foreign drivers have a chance to answer.

I have been made aware lately of the facts and figures about foreign drivers in the UK both on the roads generally and especially truckers, from other parts of the EU and the world.

so first of 'foreign lorries are three times more likely per mile traveled to be involved in collisions than British lorries.' This is of course in the UK.

'The number of crashes caused by all types of foreign vehicle has increased by 47 per cent in the past five years.'

there has also been a huge increase in the number of accidents involving Polish drivers, in 2001 there were 361 crashes however in 2006 there were over 3000!!!!. this is coupled with the fact that in the UK foreign drivers cause 18,000 accidents while UK drivers only involved in 5,000 accidents.

a Polish driver told BBC One's Real Story he drove in the UK despite not understanding any British road signs. there were over 15,000 foreign nationals last year who took their driving test with an interpretor in the back of the car.

here is another quote from a Polish lorry driver "I came to the conclusion that sooner or later I would fall asleep behind the wheel killing somebody or killing myself"

here are just a few more from other drivers

"Sometimes we would work overtime to get through the load - up to 26 hours."

"My record was 32 hours more or less. I didn't understand the English road signs. I still don't."

This dosen't even start to touch on the difference in laws between the UK and other EU countries, there are a lot of laws that are broken by foreign drivers, both cars and lorries, for example, tax, insurance, MOT and other safety features that are required by a car on British roads.

there is a lot more and this is just the tip of the iceberg, so without me pointing out what i think, i would like to offer this out to the Polish and Foreign drivers in the UK today. I'm also interested in the driving tests in your countries, apparently in the UK it takes on average 39 minutes to complete a driving test where as in other countries it only takes 19 minutes or a backhander to pass your test.

P.S. Please, Please, Please on not think i'm picking on or do not like the Polish in anyway, i have put the 'Polish' slant on this because this is 'PF' Polish forums. So please keep it to the topic and not jumping into the 'your anti polish' etc etc and all the other worthless comments like the one i have just stated.

Thank you

T

ow yes i almost forgot here are my references :)

driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article286 6091.ece
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/6081596.stm
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
14 Nov 2007 /  #2
Maybe stop being faggots and start driving on the right side of the road.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #3
doesnt matter which side of the road you drive on if you drive like a twat
Wyspianska  
14 Nov 2007 /  #4
Maybe stop being faggots and start driving on the right side of the road.

thought exactly the same haha

damn and its grzegorz again
its weird that i have the same thoughs couple of times already
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
14 Nov 2007 /  #5
Maybe stop being faggots and start driving on the right side of the road.

lol, i actually kind of understand the point your making, we do drive on the other side of the road but surely thats not a big problem, UK nationals manage to adapt when they go abroad so why is it not the same on the flip side??

doesnt matter which side of the road you drive on if you drive like a twat

so true :)

thought exactly the same haha

damn and its grzegorz again
its weird that i have the same thoughs couple of times already

then my post above also is to you :)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
14 Nov 2007 /  #6
15,000 foreign nationals

Most of the accidents I have seen have not involved Europeans - you need to look at 10 pakistanis who operate on one driving licence, slightly harder now since they brought in the photo id cards...but nonetheless they still try it on - at least Pols have driven on proper roads before they came to the UK! Also road signs are practically the same in Poland as they are in the UK...So someone saying that they coudnt read the road signs is quite a poor excuse, it either means they are blind or didnt pass a test in their own country!

The same set of standardized road signs are used all over Europe. These signs are essentially graphic rather than linguistic in nature. As such, their meaning tends to be easy to understand

ideamerge.com/motoeuropa/roadsigns
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #7
poland has at least 1 sign thats not on the list - and there are signs on the list that are not used in england
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
14 Nov 2007 /  #8
okay clever dick, but would you not agree that the important ones are on the list?
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
14 Nov 2007 /  #9
hay believe me i'm talking about 'all' foreign drivers. however this is in the news at the moment and i thought it worth discussing as it included Polish drivers. I've just laid out the facts without even commenting on it myself, which usually i do, i just feel sometimes the UK is far to soft on visitors and migrants to this country.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #10
much as i hate to disagree with you S... ;-)

there is a yellow triangle missing from the list that means you dont have priority - this is really important for me especially as poland tends not to have the road marking we have in the uk that indicate this... ive driven across intersections a number of times when i should have given way...
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
14 Nov 2007 /  #11
hay believe me i'm talking about 'all' foreign drivers

Torny my best friend is a manager at a large insurance company - she heads a team in the motor claims division - the pecentage of accidents caused by EU members is low in comparison to that of none europeans...standards for passing tests in Europe are far higher than those of 3rd world countries!

there is a yellow triangle missing from the list that means you dont have priority - this is really important for me especially as poland tends not to have the road marking we have in the uk that indicate this... ive driven across intersections a number of times when i should have given way

Do you think that its time to sit down discuss a way forward and maybe standardise signs - since travel is so much easier these days and more and more people are using their own cars overseas?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #12
Do you think that its time to sit down discuss a way forward and maybe standardise signs

oooh... dangerous way forward... next thing you know theyll want brits to drive on the wrong side of the road like the rest of europe...

but on a more serious note, yes, it would help if there was a standardisation of road signs europewide... and perhaps also of driving test standards and MOT requirements
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
14 Nov 2007 /  #13
Torny my best friend is a manager at a large insurance company - she heads a team in the motor claims division - the pecentage of accidents caused by EU members is low in comparison to that of none europeans...standards for passing tests in Europe are far higher than those of 3rd world countries!

i take that point and accept it however no matter what non EU or EU the test standards are not up to those of the UK. Its pretty simple, when coming into the UK you need to take a driving test, its not difficult is it?? I think this would solve a percentage of the problems
Polanglik 11 | 303  
14 Nov 2007 /  #14
Having done a considerable amount of driving , in England and in Poland, I have to say that driving in Poland is more hazardous than driving in UK.

I see myself as a Pole, although I've lived in England all my life, but i have to say that Polish drivers are nutters !

They will overtake when going up a hill not knowing what is coming the other way, they will overtake when there is oncoming traffic then flash their headlights expecting the oncoming vehicle to swerve out of their way. I believe Poles are more likely to drink and drive than the English ....

In general I would say that Polish drivers, and especially those aged 18-30 are extremely reckless, compared to English drivers.

I read an article recently that motor vehicle accidents in parts of UK were on the increase and the cause of the accidents were .... i'm sorry to say Polish drivers ....
postie 7 | 112  
14 Nov 2007 /  #15
This is why us English are correct in driving on the left....

2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htm

This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; however, there is a perfectly good reason.

Up to the late 1700's, everybody travelled on the left side of the road because it's the sensible option for feudal, violent societies of mostly right-handed people.

:)

And here's a list of countries that drive on the left....

Anguilla
Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bermuda
Bhutan
Botswana
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Cayman Islands

Channel Islands
Cyprus
Dominica
Eire-Ireland
England
Falkland Islands
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Isle of Man

Jamaica
Japan
Kenya
Lesotho
Macau
Malawi
Malaysia
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat
Mozambique
Namibia
Nepal
New Zealand
Northern Ireland

Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Seychelles
Scotland
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
St Kitts & Nevis
St. Helena
St. Lucia
Surinam
Swaziland

Tanzania
Thailand
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands
Uganda
US Virgin Islands
Zambia
Zimbabwe
St. Vincent & Grenadines
Wales
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
14 Nov 2007 /  #16
no matter what non EU or EU the test standards are not up to those of the UK.

Torn, why do you so often sound like you were 13 ?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #17
so basically, the reason most of europe drives on the wrong side of the road is becasue an insecure little left-handed french man told them to
postie 7 | 112  
14 Nov 2007 /  #18
Indeed..... or that Hitler fella...
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
14 Nov 2007 /  #19
Torn, why do you so often sound like you were 13 ?

hhhhmmmm let me see i think your just a bad judge :)

so basically, the reason most of europe drives on the wrong side of the road is becasue an insecure little left-handed french man told them to

while i can't agree with what you said i think it dosen't matter what side of the road people drive on its a simple enough thing to adapt to, i'm more worried about those who cannot read the road signs or that think its ok to drive like idiots :)
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Nov 2007 /  #20
while i can't agree with what you said

not what i said blue, just paraphrasing the link postie posted
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Nov 2007 /  #21
And here's a list of countries that drive on the left....

And here is a road in one of those countries.
Are you sure the drive on the left there? ;)

i have to say that Polish drivers are nutters !

I got my first driver's license in Poland and at the time I felt pretty comfy driving there. After about 5 years in the US I went back to Poland and I was supposed to drive. I refused. It was safer for my dad whith his heart condition to drive the car. It was just the same in Paris, only there they honk in French.

I don't thinkdrivers in Poland in general are any better or any worse than elsewhere, but I thought that if Americans were to drive as aggressively as they do in some European countries the US would be depopulated in a matter of a decade.



rafik 18 | 589  
14 Nov 2007 /  #22
This is why us English are correct in driving on the left....

Jousting knights with their lances under their right arm naturally passed on each other's right, and if you passed a stranger on the road you walked on the left to ensure that your protective sword arm was between yourself and him.

strange.if i was a knight i would rather have my shield between me and other knight.as you know a shield is hold in the left arm...
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
15 Nov 2007 /  #23
And here's a list of countries that drive on the left....

Most of these countries are former British colonies, so it's small wonder some relics of British governing are still present there.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
15 Nov 2007 /  #24
lots of nonsense said in here...

when i came to england adapting to driving on the other side of the road took me exactly... 2 hours. that is what it took me from the ferry to birmingham...

europeans (those from the continent) do not drive better or worse than english ones... whereas on our 2005 mini run to barcelona we had two english guys entering roundabouts the wrong way...

our trip to the nuerburgring in the following year did cost two english people their minis...

well... judge for yourselves... ;)

i can't understand why i have to pay more for my insurance only because i have a german driving licence...

no matter if left or right side of the road... the person behind the wheel makes the difference...
osiol 55 | 3,922  
15 Nov 2007 /  #25
A few years ago, my boss went driving around Europe - France, Germany, Italy, Croatia amongst other places. No accidents until he returned to the United Kingdom whereupon he began driving on the wrong side. He crashed and wrote off his car.

Most of these countries are former British colonies

Many other countries, nothing to do with the British Empire, switched the side they pass on. Once upon a time, it was decided that all countries joined by land should drive on the same side.

St. Vincent & Grenadines

That name looks like it's almost the name of a doowop group from the 1950s in matching white suits.
edit: No it doesn't.
postie 7 | 112  
15 Nov 2007 /  #26
Most of these countries are former British colonies, so it's small wonder some relics of British governing are still present there.

Ah! Indeed that is very true Bartolome....... but it doesn't mean that all those driving on the right side are correct. ..

;) <<<<<
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
16 Nov 2007 /  #27
those driving on the right side are correct. ..

I never wrote it.
But, IMHO, standarisation is a good thing.
granty7  
27 Nov 2007 /  #28
Hey Guys check out this website and see if this product would make it any easier for eu nationals to adapt to uk driving , lanecheck.com

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