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Salomon   
24 Aug 2009
News / Words of thanks towards the 'Federation of Expellees' by Angela Merkel [40]

Most people considered as expelled aren't such in reality. Millions of people were looking for drop of foreign blood in 1970's and left Poland for political reasons using bloods law.

Steinbach family came to Poland in 1939 - and feleed Poland in 1945... she is good face for this organisation as long as she was living in stolen house and is dauther of German officer who came to Poland with invading German army. I would say it is perfect

As for other issues - In my opinion "ethnic" is wrong word.

All in all the biggest critic of German miniority in Poland was ... Józef Beck - who was partly of German origin...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Beck

So it was rather about political alligance.

What is more it was gen. Berling and many other people had no problems in communistic Poland in result of being party of German origin.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Berling

Expelled Germans were mostly people who conisdered themsleves as more Germans than Poles... and it was very easy to verify after WWII.

As for east German communists : No body made such hot kisses with Soviet leaders as German leader - Honecker ... so he wasn't protesting aganist some decisions made by Soviets...
Salomon   
30 Jun 2009
Law / Poland: the most attractive European country for future investors [55]



Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood PlayStation 3 Xbox 360 Miner Mass Gameplay #1

Here is trailer of new Polish computer game... Call of Juarez Bound In Blood. Continuation of first part called Call of Juarez (which was commercial success).

This game has been developed by :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techland

Techland is a Polish video game developer, founded in 1991 by Paweł Marchewka. They are most famous for developing Call of Juarez, a Western-themed first-person shooter, released for Microsoft Windows in 2006, and later ported to Xbox 360 in June 2007.

Salomon   
10 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

What can be interesting. Western Ukraians 20 years before the WWII ... formed units for Poland in Polish -Soviet war ... so using stupefying Soviet propaganda they prefered "lords"

Petlura withdrew to Poland December 5 1919, which had previously recognized him as the head of the legal government of Ukraine. In April 1920, as head of the Ukrainian People's Republic, he signed an alliance in Warsaw with the Polish government, agreeing to a border on the River Zbruch and recognizing Poland's right to Galicia in exchange for military aid in overthrowing the Bolshevik regime. Polish forces, reinforced by Petlura's remaining troops (some two divisions), attacked Kiev on July 5, 1920

Salomon   
10 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

I'd tend to agree with you, Salomon, but Poland was hardly ever truly free, now was it?

Well ... Polish people defended 2nd republic as they could, it was heroic effort ... Polish people were dreaming about the end of imposed on them communism.

You can make speculations if communism would happen without soviets ... the fact is that communism was immposed by Soviets and Polish people were oppresed by this system for Polish ethicy.
Salomon   
10 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

If you ask me if there were Polish communists ... I will answer ... yes Poland had some communists.

If you ask me if they would be able to take power in free Poland. I will answer no!

It is how free Poland fought against Communists in 1920. Poland beaten Soviet Union in 1920.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War



Soviet propaganda poster. Text reads: "This is how the landowner's ideas end."

A Soviet propadanda poster reading: "A Red present for the White lords" (1920).

Polish propaganda poster showing Polish cavalry and a Bolshevik soldier with a starred cap. Text reads: "Beat the Bolshevik"



Polish FT-17 during Battle of Daugavpils 1919
Salomon   
10 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

As to reality:

It is pity that many hands were left in our cemeteries.

UPA was active in the ethnic cleansing actions of ethnic Poles from areas of Ukrainian autonomous settlement through terrorist acts and the mass-murder of Polish civilians.[56] Ethnic cleansing operations against the Polish population began on a large scale in March 1943.[57]

Brutal methods such as beheading, disembowelling, and killing with knives and axes were employed against Poles. In addition to the UPA, Ukrainian peasants also participated in the violence,[58] and large groups of armed "bandit" marauders, unafiliated with UPA, brutalized civilians.[59] so the exact number of Poles killed specifically by UPA is unknown. The UPA also killed ethnic Ukrainians who were believed to be associated with communists, as well as those Ukrainians who had intermarried with Poles[citation needed]. In anti-Polish actions from Autumn 1943 in Halychyna, the UPA conducted cooperative actions with detachments from the Galician Division.[60] The estimates of the number of Poles murdered in Ukraine range from 100,000 (Edward Prus, 2006)[61] to 500,000 (Norman Davies, 1996);[3] many more Poles fled the area because of the post-war chaos.

Post WWII Gdańsk

After the final Soviet offensive began in January, 1945, hundreds of thousands of German refugees, many of whom had fled to Gdańsk on foot from East Prussia (see evacuation of East Prussia), tried to escape through the city's port in a large-scale evacuation involving hundreds of German cargo and passenger ships. Some of the ships were sunk by the Soviets, including the Wilhelm Gustloff after an evacuation was attempted at neighboring Gdynia. In the process, tens of thousands of refugees were killed.

An unspecified number of young (mostly underaged) inhabitanst of Gdańsk, both male and female, was rounded up by the Soviet NKVD in 1945 and placed in provisional camps in Grudziądz, Ciechanów, Działdowo and Iława. All of them were soon deported to Siberia by the Soviet secret police, as revealed by the Institute of National Remembrance in 2000-2002 investigation

I don't understand people from country which had nothing to say after WWII and durring WWII ... debating about this issues as if Poland had as much to say as for example Soviets...

Anny way Poland was one of the biggest vicitmes after WWII.

You can't deny that many Poles were happy to be offered full employment and some other things that communism brought.

Without Soviets Poland would never be communistic country. Communism was imposed on Poland by force.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(19 39-1946)

In the aftermath of the German and Soviet invasion of Poland (September, 1939) the territory of Poland was divided between the Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union (USSR).

Both powers were hostile to the Polish culture and the Polish people, aiming at their destruction.[1] Before Operation Barbarossa, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union coordinated their Poland-related policies, most visibly in the four Gestapo-NKVD Conferences, where the occupants discussed plans for dealing with the Polish resistance movement and future destruction of Poland.[2]

There is some controversy as to whether Soviet policies were harsher than those of the Nazis.

In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported more than 1,200,000 Poles, most in four mass deportations. The first deportation took place February 10, 1940, with more than 220,000 sent to northern European Russia; the second on April 13, 1940, sending 320,000 primarily to Kazakhstan; a third wave in June-July 1940 totaled more than 240,000; the fourth occurred in June, 1941, deporting 300,000. It was determined based on Soviet information that more than 760,000 of the deportees had died-a large part of those dead being children, who had comprised about a third of deportees

Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

Besides political trades. Jerzy Buzek is very hard working person. If I remmeber it well he was one of the most hard working Polish MPs in Europarlament ...
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Now what happened durring the war: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Germany



Expulsions Polish citizens from anexed areas of Poland after 1939

It is estimated that between 1.6 and 2 million people were expelled from their homes during the German occupation of Poland. Only the German organized expulsions affected directly 1,710,000 Poles. These numbers do not include people arrested by the Germans and sent to Nazi concentration camps.[9]

In many instances, Poles were given between 15 minutes and 1 hour to collect their personal belongings (usually no more than 15 kilograms per person) before they were removed their homes and transported east (see: deportations) On top of that about 5 million[citation needed] Poles were sent to German concentration camps. A total of about 6 million Polish citizens were killed during the war. All these actions resulted in significant changes in Polish demographics at the end of the war.

Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

A few Western countries cooperate with Russia to build a gas pipe despite Poland`s and a few others` objections.

Oh my God he said something logical instead of puting himself down

btw Poland this year will be 6th the larges economy in Europe...
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

First off all Poland doesn't need to justyfy annything as long as Poland wasn't decider. And was the biggest vicimes of WWII. Milions of Polish people were murdered...

After the war:
milions of Polish people were packed in to cattle trains and moved from their homes after the war.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

No, it was the US under Bush.He showed how easy it was to crack the EU and bribe some members to do as THEY want, wasn't it...Now that Obama actually laid the missile shield on ice but there is no doubt that Poland would have let the US did build that thing on their soil too...Any organization is only so strong as it's weakest link Lukasz, and that is not Germany!

First off all Poland wasn't bribed. It was rather help like ... "our frends need help !"

Secndly Poland is one of the most pro-EU countries so it is not bad will.

Last point is that Nord Stream isn't project which brings trust and understanding in region.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

What? You want to be cozy with Russia and we want good business with them.What's your problem??? :)(At least the Russians didn't ask Germans to join them in Chechnia or Georgia for some game of paintball)

Europe is weak and other power which uses its members to prove its weakness is Russia. There is no doubt why this part of europe looks on USA when it comes to security...

Germany alone is just regional power.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

I don't understand how Germany can talk about anny common line when they create Nord Stream.

Anny way. Irak was mistake... for much different reasons. Poland believed in american proves when it came to WMD ... and they were false (from the begining).
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

And where was polish "self-interest" as they couldn't wait to join the Bushies in some adventure in some god forsaken country???

I haven't heard such arumentation for Spanish, Italian or British people who joined this crusaide.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

Poland this year will become 6th the biggest economy in EU. Polish role is bigger and bigger and will be bigger.

Bratwurst accept reality.

As to the money EU earned huge money on Polish market. No merci here.... as to Germans only Germans and Austrians haven't opened market for Polish workers .... so as to Bratwurst opinons ... nothing new.

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Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]

Poland was a very new member and millions of EU support was and is going there way and at the first, best opportunity they showed the "old Europe"

With Spain Italy ...and many other countries... but I agree that it was wrong decision.

Anny way Poland should be closer to Russians than Germans are ...

What is more Germans have tendency to point on other countries and measure their europeaness... It is old tradition and I wouldn't care to much about it. Soon after Poland being not enought German ekhmmm I wated to say European ... there can be France being not enought German ... sory I wanted to say European ... or Italy ...

everything depends form actual German need and whose voice in their opinion should be less important.

I wouldn't care to much about it.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

They paid money for the correct country.

Why Soviet Union was Correct country ? Not Poland... using your logic they should pay compensatons for Vatican as long as majority of Poles are Catholic ... but why Soviets ?
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

No sjam it is the Germans who payed money for wrong country. I am debating now about German compensations. Money should have been paid staright to Poland. It was compensation for Poland not for Soviet Union. It is good that thay haven't payed it for North Korea. LOL

Issue with Russia and other countries is much different subject.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

As to German and WWII ... they had very interesting aim : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

After the war, under the "Big Plan", GPO foresaw the eventual expulsion of more than 50 million non-Germanized Slavs of Eastern Europe through forced migration, as well as some of the Balts (especially almost all of Lithuanians) through "voluntary" migration, beyond the Ural Mountains and into Siberia. In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum) of the 1000-Year Empire (Tausendjähriges Reich).

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles

Germans knew this plans it was bestseller in pre WWII Germany long before his peak of power : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

sjam

As to post WWII reality :

Poland was the first item on the Soviet agenda; Stalin stated the Soviet case:“ For the Russian people, the question of Poland is not only a question of honor but also a question of security. Throughout history, Poland has been the corridor through which the enemy has passed into Russia. Twice in the last thirty years our enemies, the Germans, have passed through this corridor. It is in Russia’s interest that Poland should be strong and powerful, in a position to shut the door of this corridor by her own force…It is necessary that Poland should be free, independent in power. Therefore, it is not only a question of honor but of life and death for the Soviet state. ”

Accordingly, Stalin stipulated that Polish government-in-exile demands were not negotiable: the Soviet Union would keep the territory of eastern Poland they had already annexed in 1939, and Poland was to be compensated for that by extending its Western borders at the expense of Germany. Stalin promised free elections in Poland despite the recently-installed by him Communist puppet government in liberated by the Red Army Polish territories. However the Western Powers soon realized that Stalin would not honor his free elections promise. The fraudulent Polish elections, held in January 16, 1947 resulted in Poland's official transformation to undemocratic communist state by 1949.

Poland had nothing to say ... and leaders of supported by majority anti -Nazi underground were in prisons or were executed.

What is more it is interesting that Sjam legitiamtes one Polish puppet comunist goverment actions and claims to be illigal others...
Salomon   
8 Jun 2009
News / EU elections in Poland: excuses for not voting please [43]

It is list of Polish MPs in euro parlament:

LEWANDOWSKI Janusz Antoni - PO

WA£ĘSA Jarosław Leszek - PO

KOZ£OWSKI Jan Andrzej - PO

ZWIEFKA , Tadeusz Antoni - PO

BUBLEWICZ , Beata Maria - PO

HÜBNER, Danuta Maria - PO

TRZASKOWSKI , Rafał Kazimierz - PO

ZALEWSKI , Paweł Ksawery - PO

HIBNER , Jolanta Emilia - PO

SARYUSZ-WOLSKI, Jacek Emil - PO

GRÄFIN VON THUN UND HOHENSTEIN , Róża Maria - PO

BUZEK , Jerzy Karol - PO

OLBRYCHT , Jan Marian - PO

HANDZLIK , Małgorzata Maria - PO

MARCINKIEWICZ , Bogdan Kazimierz - PO

PROTASIEWICZ , Jacek - PO

NITRAS , Sławomir Witold - PO

KANDYDACI PiS :

CYMAŃSKI Tadeusz - PiS

LEGUTKO , Ryszard Antoni - PiS

KEMPA , Beata Agnieszka - PiS

CZARNECKI , Richard Henry - PiS

KURSKI , Jacek Olgierd - PiS

MIGALSKI , Marek Henryk - PiS

PIECHA , Bolesław Grzegorz - PiS

ZIOBRO , Zbigniew - PiS

KAMIŃSKI , Michał Tomasz - PiS

BIELAN , Adam Jerzy - PiS

MATUSZEWSKI, Marek - PiS

KANDYDACI SLD-UP:

SENYSZYN , Joanna - SLD

GIEREK , Adam - SLD

GERINGER DE OEDENBERG , Lidia Joanna - SLD

IWIŃSKI , Tadeusz - SLD

LIBERADZKI , Bogusław Marian - SLD

ZEMKE Janusz Władysław - SLD

KANDYDACI PSL:

KALINOWSKI , Jarosław - PSL

SIEKIERSKI, Czesław Adam - PSL

They are still not sure :

KACZMAREK, Filip Andrzej - PO

JĘDRZEJEWSKA, Sidonia Elżbieta - PO

GÓRSKI , Tomasz - PiS

ZALESKI , Zbigniew - PO

PIOTROWSKI, Mirosław Mariusz - PiS

£UKACIJEWSKA , Elżbieta Katarzyna - PO

PORĘBA , Tomasz Piotr - PiS

SONIK , Bogusław Andrzej - PO

KOWAL , Paweł Robert - PiS

ORMANIEC , Marian - PSL

RAKOCZY , Stanisław - PSL

JAZ£OWIECKA , Danuta - PO

MACHALICA, Krzysztof Edward - PO

RAFALSKA , Elżbieta - PiS